Meditation Breakthrough: the source and a new sensory perception for feeling Electro Magnetic waves

originally posted by: doobydoll
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Another time I left my body, again unintentionally. I had just finished praying, asking the Lord to please help me cope with the pain I was in, when I became aware/sensed an extremely powerful energy right next to my left arm. At the same time I had an intense 'thrill' type sensation in my abdomen which made me look down at that area of my body, and what I saw there was a spinning sparkling bright light.
This light was spinning so fast and it was full of sparkles. I could make this light expand and spin faster just by thinking/feeling love.
I noticed that the energy that I could feel to my left would intensify at the same time the spinning light expanded. So I turned to my left to look, and saw a huge beam of light coming down at an angle from above, right next to me. It was no ordinary beam of light, this was a 'solid' light, bright white. I couldn't see through it like you would an ordinary beam/ray of light. The energy within it felt SO UNIMAGINABLY POWERFUL just being next to it, it was pure energy. I wanted to touch it but it was way way too powerful/intense to touch. The next moment I was looking down at myself at a distance from above, I could see myself sat in my living room on the sofa just as I had been when I'd prayed minutes beforehand. I realised I was looking at my physical body from 'inside' the beam of solid light, I felt as if I 'was' the light AND 'part' of it too. I was both. With that realisation I was back in my body in an instant. I have been in awe since.

Anyway I don't want to sound too much as if I've crossed the boundary into insanity so I'll stop here lol.

Have a wonderful day peeps.

Wow! thanks so much for sharing! I have also had another experience where I felt the presence of other external energies/entities and was filled by love from them and I could send them the thought/impression of love and this would exchange energy between us. This experience was outside of the above meditation practice that i've outlined but im positive that it happened *because* of the above experience.

originally posted by: MichiganSwampBuck
Excellent description of the out-of-body experience. There is much to be learned there. I haven't been out in a long time. I got pretty good at it back in my 20s, but made a decision to ignore that realm.

It can be scary until you exchange your fear for fascination. The void is very calm, the falling sensation is actually fun and repeats in a cycle (you never have to hit a bottom). Opening your astral eyes can be difficult when first leaving the body.

Fear based entities are easy to banish if you have no fear of them. You should be careful of traps though. The traps are like a maze of linked together pieces of space-time that have some association to them. Often they are under control of entities that mean you some sort of harm. You can tell which ones have bad intentions because although no lies can happen there, they don't have to tell you the truth. Often they will refuse to give an answer or give you answers that sidestep the questions.

I've never visited the source too often that I can remember, just various planes starting at the "here and now" to the "elsewhere". The future, past and present can get jumbled together or be a pure experience. It always seems like a far more real experience then what you experience in daily life.

It's funny that I have had my experience and it's been quite amazing but although I've intentionally tried many many times I have yet to experience an Out Of Body or Astral Projecting. I came close one time while meditating in a hammock, the free-swinging helped to get it started but then when it was happening I shocked myself back into my body.

I have absolutely *no* idea how I would take myself to an OOB through meditation (the mechanics I would use) but I feel like when I do try it, I am *forcing* it too much instead of 'allowing' it to happen.

Anyone have any advice on that?

originally posted by: Abednego
a reply to: Justshrug

Congratulations. You just experience God. That fan blade going WHOOM WHOOM is the OM or AUM. The first vibrational state. The Word spoken by the Concious. The first and last sound.

What a ride!!!

haha! If one where to take my original posts and do a "Replace All" word search on "the source" with "the creator" I would have no problem with that expression, absolutely, yes. However my first reaction would be to clarify that it doesnt give the impression or feel like the Judeo-Christian monotheist deity, full of fire-and-brimstone, wearing a robe, sporting a beard and floating in the sky. The impression i have is one of absolute energy, and the impression of 'the source' -- maybe where all comes from. It certainly seems like the kind of power that would not bother to meddle in the affairs of a collapsing dwarf star, let alone a handful of primitive tribes on a far away blue marble. Very interesting to contemplate though!

Edit to Add:
In thinking about this a little more, there is a fundamental part of the source experience that is immediately jarring with all 3 of the largest monotheistic Abrahamic religions: when touching the source, my consciousness feels like a god or feels like what it must be like to be a god and be worshipped by/with energy. There is a consistent underlying tone/theme in all 3 traditions that constantly propagandizes "submit" "sacrifice" "prostrate oneself" etc...

to give someone the experience of sharing even an infinitesimal touch of the energy of the source all notions of this will be blasted away and rejected as contrary to the very nature of the Energy itself.

originally posted by: mysterioustranger
a reply to: Justshrug

After 45+ yrs projecting and meditating? I see nothing in what you explain and how you got there all that unique or unusual. In fact, it appears normal upon your success.

Mine.. as a born sensitive.. I had to learn how to pull back and maintain control... and as a child it frightened me until I could...

Safe travels... Best, MS

@Mysterioustranger

whoa, it's just so unusual to get a response like that, that what i am experiencing is 'normal' -- thanks for that!

I have a question for you: I mentioned in a reply post on the following page that although i have had some amazing experiences while meditating i have been unable to astral project. Would you be able to recommend some steps or mechanics that would put me on the correct path. At the moment, I feel as if I am trying too hard to 'push' myself out of my body. How would you coach a beginner into having their first successful experience?

Thanks!

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: MichiganSwampBuck
Excellent description of the out-of-body experience. There is much to be learned there. I haven't been out in a long time. I got pretty good at it back in my 20s, but made a decision to ignore that realm.

It can be scary until you exchange your fear for fascination. The void is very calm, the falling sensation is actually fun and repeats in a cycle (you never have to hit a bottom). Opening your astral eyes can be difficult when first leaving the body.

Fear based entities are easy to banish if you have no fear of them. You should be careful of traps though. The traps are like a maze of linked together pieces of space-time that have some association to them. Often they are under control of entities that mean you some sort of harm. You can tell which ones have bad intentions because although no lies can happen there, they don't have to tell you the truth. Often they will refuse to give an answer or give you answers that sidestep the questions.

I've never visited the source too often that I can remember, just various planes starting at the "here and now" to the "elsewhere". The future, past and present can get jumbled together or be a pure experience. It always seems like a far more real experience then what you experience in daily life.

Your experiences above basically describes my ethereal travels but lately it is moving more towards those experiences of the OP, in that, I am experiencing the physical world as a sort of (hard to explain) a merging of energies both physical (electrical/vibrational) and ethereal (also electrical/vibrational?). Somewhat living in both worlds at the same time and 'feeling' or 'acknowledging' sensations or insights that go beyond the earthly plane.

It is also seems serendipitous that you should mention fear-based entitles, as my daughter had a bad experience recently (she described a shadow figure holding her down on the bed of her new apartment) and I have an upcoming date with this entity because I will be staying overnight there to see what is going on there. I have no fear because I do not fear death although I am concerned as to how I will die (not suffering, I hope).

As the OP mentions, death is merely another state of existence/consciousness and when one has left the body, and one was brave enough to linger there and then to become one with the 'all' or 'source', then the truth is revealed to you.

I too decided to ignore that realm because I had/have earthly responsibilities and I am connected to people I would not want to be disconnected with...or perhaps I did not want the disconnect from all this earthly plane can teach me, such as love, wonder, awe and learning. Does the ethereal realm offer all that?

So interesting...
All my experiences with having a successful Flatliner session and the afterglow, it has always been a 'solo' experience where i have no interaction or input from anything external or independent (other than the source). That being said, i have had other experiences after this all started that were explicit interactions with external independent entities and those were all extremely positive and loving; life-changing--i would even say as much.

I have never had an experience with a negative entity (not that im aware of) although i have had negative experiences from external electromagnetic frequencies. In one case a powerful generator that was running maybe less than 10 feet away from me while I was trying to meditate. It gave me a sense of unease or 'ickiness' in my gut and in my head. Do you (or does anyone) get any physical sensations similar to this when interacting with a 'negative' entity?

Thanks!

a reply to: InTheLight

In my experience, the moment you are having terror or fear, the evil type entities have you in control. It seems that they thrive on your fear response, like they feed on it. Many of these entities are not very intelligent and the moment you study them and become fascinated, it breaks their hold. Some times you can demand to know their name and use it against them or use your will to expel them, ie. fight them off.

I imagine that feeling sorry or concerned for them or showing some form of love will drive them away as well. Some people use the name of Jesus Christ (ie. their faith) to get them to leave. Often they shape shift into something scary to frighten you, but return to their natural form after you stop showing fear. Some will draw energy from you while you sleep, before you become aware on the astral plane. Once you know that they are there they will flee. Normally those ones are surprised you are aware of them in their realm.

The ones to be wary of are those that are intelligent and lead you around the maze trap. Those type will keep after you even after you come back to the body. The path they lead you on is dangerous somehow it seems. I've always escaped the trap before finding out what was going to happen at the end.

Sometimes they may be more or less good and imparting some information you may need or are even playful. You'll have no doubt which ones are good or even loving, there will be no fear when you're in their presence and they won't try to deceive you somehow.

originally posted by: Justshrug

originally posted by: MichiganSwampBuck
Excellent description of the out-of-body experience. There is much to be learned there. I haven't been out in a long time. I got pretty good at it back in my 20s, but made a decision to ignore that realm.

It can be scary until you exchange your fear for fascination. The void is very calm, the falling sensation is actually fun and repeats in a cycle (you never have to hit a bottom). Opening your astral eyes can be difficult when first leaving the body.

Fear based entities are easy to banish if you have no fear of them. You should be careful of traps though. The traps are like a maze of linked together pieces of space-time that have some association to them. Often they are under control of entities that mean you some sort of harm. You can tell which ones have bad intentions because although no lies can happen there, they don't have to tell you the truth. Often they will refuse to give an answer or give you answers that sidestep the questions.

I've never visited the source too often that I can remember, just various planes starting at the "here and now" to the "elsewhere". The future, past and present can get jumbled together or be a pure experience. It always seems like a far more real experience then what you experience in daily life.

It's funny that I have had my experience and it's been quite amazing but although I've intentionally tried many many times I have yet to experience an Out Of Body or Astral Projecting. I came close one time while meditating in a hammock, the free-swinging helped to get it started but then when it was happening I shocked myself back into my body.

I have absolutely *no* idea how I would take myself to an OOB through meditation (the mechanics I would use) but I feel like when I do try it, I am *forcing* it too much instead of 'allowing' it to happen.

Anyone have any advice on that?

My astral projections have happened when I'm in that half asleep state or between dreams. You can feel an electrical vibration sensation all over your body or that you have detached. You then do a log roll out of bed and float like a feather to the floor. Spinning faster takes you further form the body. Once on the floor you can walk around, or go through the floor and walls. You'll feel a little resistance and the texture of the material you're passing through.

Once you get far enough away you can open your astral eyes, otherwise you may just wake up. If you have enough control you can travel well away form the here and now without being in your sleeping area first.

Having a goal somewhere away from the body helps you project, like needing a glass of water or having to use the bathroom. Having the desire of projecting is sometimes enough to get you started projecting after you go to sleep.

ETA: If you find yourself flying around outside, electric power lines will stop you or are hard to get through.

a reply to: Justshrug

When I said God, I was not referencing any religion. God is more than that.

a reply to: Justshrug

It has to be doable and repeatable or it's worth nothing.

How do WE do it?

a reply to: Justshrug

Ok...from what I gather, you're just dreaming.

Never trust an experience to be real when you're sleepy, high, or drunk especially if you're in bed.

It's called lucid DREAMING.

This is nothing new and more than well documented.

obe4u.com...

originally posted by: Justshrug

originally posted by: mysterioustranger
a reply to: Justshrug

After 45+ yrs projecting and meditating? I see nothing in what you explain and how you got there all that unique or unusual. In fact, it appears normal upon your success.

Mine.. as a born sensitive.. I had to learn how to pull back and maintain control... and as a child it frightened me until I could...

Safe travels... Best, MS

@Mysterioustranger

whoa, it's just so unusual to get a response like that, that what i am experiencing is 'normal' -- thanks for that!

I have a question for you: I mentioned in a reply post on the following page that although i have had some amazing experiences while meditating i have been unable to astral project. Would you be able to recommend some steps or mechanics that would put me on the correct path. At the moment, I feel as if I am trying too hard to 'push' myself out of my body. How would you coach a beginner into having their first successful experience?

Thanks!

There is little difference between meditation with/on/to or from some other place... and astrally projecting... Both places (all) start, finish, exist in one's own psyche'.. Its not ike you have to pack a bag!

By all indications... You are already being successful, only either not accepting it for what youre experiencing, or are expecting it to be more than you are experiencing. But I have simple suggestions to help you gain direction and perspective.

Just as we meditate on some-thing, place, person or event.... While doing so in that place... And you can't feel your body-skin-breathing etc.. I propose you are in "travelling" at that point. Try projecting to a selected place or location-or to a person elsewhere... You can fine tune that over time. Also... Go with the flow as it comes.

To provide a point... I once observed a friend in a different location... telling them the room, what they wore, were doing etc. I was correct.... And in travel or meditating.. I breathe 4 breaths a min... Looking like I'm dead or something my wife said 30 years back... She's used to it now.....

Try directing yourself once you've reached a meditative state. Go to who, where, time frame etc... You want. I'd say youre 75-80% there already. Lower your expectations, move within, follow it...... and in time you can achieve that which I believe you are already experiencing... by have a hard time comprehending.

PS Beware any "dark" or negatives on the other side. They are real and will appear as anything or anyone to deceive. Contact me anytime privately here...

PPS I've never heard anyone using anything or any form of "pushing out". It's not required as you're already at that point "there".

MS

originally posted by: reject
a reply to: Justshrug

Ok...from what I gather, you're just dreaming.

Never trust an experience to be real when you're sleepy, high, or drunk especially if you're in bed.

It's called lucid DREAMING.

This is nothing new and more than well documented.

obe4u.com...

Hello!

No, i do have vivid dreams nearly every night and i remember them (some of them) for about the first 5 minutes after I awake. All this that im talking about above is definitely not a dream state, its something i experience while in a fully awake state and aware but relaxed consciousness. Above that--i mean beyond the fact that i am awake, and *know* i am awake--i always experience severe sensations of an electromagnetic nature in and around my head as a precursor to full disassociation. I can't remember ever experiencing anything like that, and with such clarity and presence, while in a dream state. Recall that after I successfully disassociate and have 'died' and returned I am so full of energy that i am compelled to perform some physical activity. This is nearly always followed by difficulty sleeping for many hours, regardless of time of day, because my consciousness vortex is vibrating so intensely.

As far as how anyone else can repeat it (quickly, without hours and hours of meditating)? Since what i am doing is artificially replicating the experience of an isolation tank, I would suggest precisely this to someone wanting to fast-track a significant 'spiritual' experience. Commercially available sensory deprivation tank businesses have made their way into most large metropolitan areas in North America.

Thanks!

@MS - thanks for your detailed post, lots of great thoughts/advice and I appreciate it!

I understand what you are saying, that I may already be halfway there but I have built up expectations of what it will be like therefore i am 'missing' it when its right in front of me. I have extreme difficulties with visualization, or 'seeing in the minds eye' so for me, I need to interpret the data/information that *is* available to me, which would come more in the form of thought-impressions or other sensations that are new and that im learning to feel and manipulate.

About dark entities, that is also something that i may have encountered in the past and not even been aware of it because i do not get visualizations. So for example, if an entity came to you or any other sensitive person, you may get the impression or image of a specific type of figure, like a tall, dark slender man. If that same entity interacted with me, i would not get any image or suggestion as to what it might 'look' like, but i would 'feel' it in the sense of its electromagnetic field and that manner in which that field interacts with mine.

It is possible for me to visually 'see' the entity with my eyes, but they would all look the same to me, as what i see looks exactly like what my own consciousness vortex looks like. If i focus on it directly with my eyes, what i see is a warped bubble, like light is bending around or being displaced around a point. If i look at the same spot and instead of focusing my eyes, let them relax (think of going half-way to crossed-eyed) then what i can see is a shimmer with wisps at the small core of a vortex. This is all very difficult to actually see though, and without knowing exactly where the energy/entity is, it would just be invisible, hidden by the nature of that sphere of displaced/bending light.

Writing this out in a collected and organized manner has functioned like a journal for me. The last few days since I've shared openly have been incredible in terms of leaps-and-bounds I've made. Expressing this in written form and then engaging with friends, family and you wonderful people posting here has provided new ways at approaching this relationship that I have with my energy vortex.

These last several days, in tandem with now having a journal, I have maintained a daily discipline to spend 6-12 hours with a focus on interacting with my energy vortex. This is something I have not yet done; running a back-to-back disciplined approach versus in the past where I would have one big session and then spend the next week processing it.

The issue I have had since the beginning--since I first died, touched the source, and returned back gasping--is that I have only had conscious interaction with one point on my electromagnetic field: the point in the middle of my skull. Something about the experience of coming back from that death gave me a sensitivity to EM fields while also forever-and-immediately opened up that one specific point in my brain. Since then, that is really all I have been focusing on and manipulating. Nearly the entirety of the hundreds of hours put into this have been focused on that point and the interaction of my energy vortex with that point.

So yesterday I tried something different:

If I (a) assume that there are other points in my energy field similar to the very-real point I know is in the middle of my brain, and (b) the way that I interact with that point is by 'pushing' or 'dropping' my energy vortex into it, then (c) I should try to move my vortex to another place where I can predict there will be an interaction.

I was leaning over so that I can drop my vortex out of my head to have it hover in front of my chest. I've already taken the steps to 'charge-up' my vortex so that it oscillates with a high frequency, giving me the highest level of awareness of its location point. My eyes are open and with effort I can visually see the vortex but it's difficult and it is also jumpy, in the sense that it can skip around seemingly at an instant. The vortex has a nature that will keep it 'invisible' by warping/bending the light around it under direct focus and I can observe this phenomenon of a spherical bubble. However, if I de-focus, or let my eyes go loose like if you were going to try to stare at the tip of your nose (but only slightly down that path, don't go fully cross-eyed) then I can see wisps at the core of a vortex flashing in-and-out. It appears as opaque grey/silver wisps, they look like wisps of smoke that have a textural sheen or glare to them. It has a momentum in movement that matches the high frequency of oscillation that I can feel on my skin. Its spinning in on itself very quickly while these smoky wisps appear and disappear, and the area immediately around the core is giving that same sense of bending light. This is a very small point at its core, maybe 3/4 inch to 1.25 inches.

I have the vortex outside my chest and my goal is to move it into my stomach. I've always had extreme difficulty in attempting to intentionally move the vortex and the difficulty increases non-linearly the further it is away from my head. I can only move it indirectly in the sense that i can imagine what it would feel like moving across my skin at a specific spot and try to lead it there through feeling it’s EM field reflecting off my skin. At any moment I can lose focus and it can instantly jump back into my head, resetting the process and starting again. So here I am, in a loop of trying to drag it down but it will skip out if my thoughts weaken.

This isn't working out and at all the times in the past, this is exactly the point that I would give up and go back to manipulating it against the point in my head...because that *works* and it gives me extraordinary sensations. Because I'm so easily discouraged about not getting an immediate success with any of the other points. Because, essentially, I was just handed an immediate 'Mastery' of the top point one day after my death experience. Because here I am again, trying to ‘do meditation’ and getting the feeling that it’s not working—or I'm not doing it right—and this active consciousness yearns for a more-immediate positive-feedback loop.

But not this time, in the moment of considering moving on to something else, I also consider the value of *intention* or belief and how this could be the extra piece I need. To support my goal of moving my energy vortex into another electromagnetic field point, I need to *believe* that I can do it. I create resolve by expressly stating to myself that my intention is to focus my consciousness on the point of my body just around my navel.

And it works! Wow, does it work! I am about to experience more after this then I have since the first time I touched the source. Once I interacted with real points in my EM field outside of my brain not only did I immediately gain more control over moving the energy vortex, but also I am flooded with a plethora of ideas/concepts/knowledge that suddenly all fall into place and make complete sense to me!

What happened to make it work? Well, it all started with a breath

Determining to create resolve through intention/belief, I stand back, arch my spine and stretch out for a deep breath. I do this a few times to shake off the frustration. As I continue to breathe deeply, I think about my energy vortex working with me to travel with the breath. In my next breath, it does just that. During my deep exhale, I push outwards with my stomach/diaphragm, and with this push my vortex drops from my chest down into my navel. The immediate feeling is shocking to experience so fully in this first moment of conscious focus on it.

It feels like a literal heavy weight dropped into my gut. The *same* exact feeling you get in your gut when you are overwhelmed with worry, concern, stress or fear. I experience this familiar-yet-amplified sensation of heaviness while also getting a sensation of turbulence or the interaction of two vortices in that spot; one being my energy vortex and the other being the natural electromagnetic point in my field that seems to already carry a charge or energy.

It is in my gut now, and I’m shocked that it just happened--it actually worked--but also I’m realizing that I don’t like this sensation of it being in my gut. It's that same uncomfortable feeling that you've had before, and I’m so focused on being hypersensitive to it that its making me uncomfortable. I want to get it out, but it seems to have a stickiness there, like it’s a naturally attractive place for it to lock in to. Well, since I brought it there with my breath, I try to move it with my breath.

Once again, I stand up and stretch out fully to take deep breaths and, as if it has been this easy all along, my energy vortex climbs up from my navel through my heart point, as I inhale deeply filling lungs, then it climbs up through my throat and I can feel a 'bulging' sensation there at this point, I continue to breathe in and it climbs up through my head to the point in my brain. At the fullest point of my breath it touches the top of my skull and as I exhale it drops out of the front of my face, falls down along my stomach and into my navel as I start to take the next breath.

I continue this cycle of breathing for about half a minute and the whole time my energy vortex is moving along with my breath throughout the various EM points in my field. Im *shocked* by so many things when this is happening. Firstly, that the state of shock I am in is not immediately disrupting the movement and flow of my vortex in this circular loop. Secondly, that not only did I just experience the sensation of knowing my navel EM point for the first time, but then just immediately after that I discovered other points in a circular flow. Further, there seems to be a transfer of energy between the points as the breathe/vortex is moving in a cycle, but the transfer seems strongest if it is only between two points at a time and not all points simultaneously attempting to shuffle energy. And more, while in this state of shock and too afraid to do anything but continue breathing deeply as I don’t want to interrupt this truly fantastical and unbelievable experience, I am mindful of that uncomfortable heaviness in my gut. It lessened when the vortex left but it is still there and I have a strong awareness that it is there. I'm thinking that the unpleasant heaviness has been there for some time and its only now that I am in tune with it that I experience this dramatic unease.

So, while I’m breathing and my vortex is looping cyclically up and down, in and out, I focus on the feeling in my gut and start to transfer that heaviness out of there and into other points of my EM field. When I do this, I get the impression about the actual real-life issues that have caused this weight: distance and conflict from a dear loved one, financial concerns with the business. Again, I'm shocked! This is all happening so quickly, with so many thoughts or concepts dropping into place in a deluge like a flash flood in the desert. I'm shocked that I can apparently relocate or displace 'negative' feelings in my system, and of course I'm shocked that when I undertake this process, I get a sensation for the root cause of those issues.

Shock again and more-so: during this looping of my vortex with my breath, I look down at my shirtless chest and I can actually see the vortex falling out of my head, skimming along the skin of my stomach and then going inside of me. I can see it moving upwards through my stomach and abdomen and as I feel the sensation of weight it drops into each EM point, I can visually observe a shift or displacement under my skin. It reminds me of the same type of visual displacement effect I observe if I try to look directly at it out in the open. I’m truly seeing a displacement under my skin as if organs are subtly shifting around.

Along with all the above, I’m flooded in notions/concepts/ideas that either take on a whole new meaning or appear now as 'knowledge' that simply clicked into place. I have a realization that this energy vortex can be anywhere or maybe everywhere at the same time. More specifically, either it can manifest in multiple places at the same time (our known observations of this phenomenon seen in the physics of quantum mechanics) *or* it can move so quickly from point to point that for all intents and purposes it de facto *can* be in more than one place at one time. I notice this in the observation that this loop my vortex is in can evidently speed up to move so quickly that it becomes a singular line of energy transfer and not a particle-line loop of transfer. If I act to speed it up as fast as I can, I experience the entire body-wobbly-shakes that you most frequently experience in the middle of the night if you are jolted awake. I now know that a previous sensation where I thought I had created a bubble of energy from my head to my feet was this vortex moving in a continuous circle so rapidly that it simulated the experience of a bubble of electromagnetic energy.


Another realization was that this must be what all people experience with their energy vortices clicking into their specific EM points. So many figures of speech or expressions, like ‘words caught in your throat’ or ‘gut-feeling’ ‘gut-check intuition’ for me now all have a very literal interpretation. If someone is holding back from speaking or not disclosing information or reluctant to communicate then at that moment, their energy vortex is most likely in their throat. I’ve felt it now, and it’s a real and significant sensation. For me, when I'm about to do something [take action] or speak, my energy vortex hovers at my mouth, just outside my lips.

I had a realization that many pharmacological compounds and drugs people take have an effect on their EM field points, and that those specific points, if they are charged or attention is put upon them, will modify and impact subconscious and conscious human behavior.

Wow, how can any of this be real, except I absolutely just experienced it! And it does all seem congruent with a narrative that we are surrounded by energy, and that we ourselves are beings of energy.

To: Justshrug....yes, we just have to just shrug.

WOW. You are very accomplished in this stuff. Very clear and precise as well. We should remember that people like you are exploring the inner and non - "real" space as much as any scientist explores the outer or so called real world.

My only concern is since your picture seems to represent an Atlas type figure and your name includes 'shrug' that you are an omen of an Atlas Shrugged scenario. What if all the 'spiritual' types left suddenly? Would the world remain balanced?

The Buddhists say that the effect on the world of a meditating monk or guru is imponderable. I only wonder what would happen if all of 'you' left suddenly?

I started this question only 37% seriously but now at the bottom here I am about 87% curious.

You may consider this question as rhetorical if you like.

You should go read a dimethyltryptamine trip report, strikingly similar

originally posted by: Wafflecoptor
You should go read a dimethyltryptamine trip report, strikingly similar

Perhaps, but I don't feel any distortion at all while exploring the ethereal while not on any drugs, nor in a sleeping or meditative state. However, case participants on '___' appear to be disoriented, so I would hazard a guess that they are unable to make sense of their experience, or have any measure of control while experiencing it. Then add in what the participants may have read previously or had suggested to them as to what they may expect, then you have one big messy study.

One question that they do not expect to answer is why '___' exists in nature. “The '___' question is more for '___' enthusiasts, perhaps,” says Carhart-Harris. But the question of why humans possess a specific serotonin receptor that '___' binds to is a big one, he says. Read next The hidden, potentially life-threatening, cost Brexit could have on the UK The hidden, potentially life-threatening, cost Brexit could have on the UK By Liat Clark “As far as we know it’s one particular serotonin receptor that’s key to how these drugs work in the brain. It’s a big curiosity and a question that is unanswered in science. What are these receptors for, and what do they do?”

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Dimethyltryptamine ('___'), also known as N,N-dimethyltryptamine, is a naturally-occurring tryptamine and potent psychedelic drug, found not only in many plants, but also in trace amounts in the human body where its natural function is undetermined. '___' is created in small amounts by the human body during normal metabolism by the enzyme tryptamine-N-methyltransferase. Many cultures, indigenous and modern, ingest '___' as a psychedelic in extracted or synthesized forms.

During your REM (rapid eye movement) cycle of sleep, this chemical is released into the bloodstream. This is what causes you to dream, and have a sense of “being” while you are in that dream process. Why this chemical is released during your REM cycle? That is one of the many mysteries surrounding this chemical compound. This is one of the many reasons why '___' is becoming more well-known in our society today.

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originally posted by: Justshrug

@MS - thanks for your detailed post, lots of great thoughts/advice and I appreciate it!

I understand what you are saying, that I may already be halfway there but I have built up expectations of what it will be like therefore i am 'missing' it when its right in front of me. I have extreme difficulties with visualization, or 'seeing in the minds eye' so for me, I need to interpret the data/information that *is* available to me, which would come more in the form of thought-impressions or other sensations that are new and that im learning to feel and manipulate.

About dark entities, that is also something that i may have encountered in the past and not even been aware of it because i do not get visualizations. So for example, if an entity came to you or any other sensitive person, you may get the impression or image of a specific type of figure, like a tall, dark slender man. If that same entity interacted with me, i would not get any image or suggestion as to what it might 'look' like, but i would 'feel' it in the sense of its electromagnetic field and that manner in which that field interacts with mine.

It is possible for me to visually 'see' the entity with my eyes, but they would all look the same to me, as what i see looks exactly like what my own consciousness vortex looks like. If i focus on it directly with my eyes, what i see is a warped bubble, like light is bending around or being displaced around a point. If i look at the same spot and instead of focusing my eyes, let them relax (think of going half-way to crossed-eyed) then what i can see is a shimmer with wisps at the small core of a vortex. This is all very difficult to actually see though, and without knowing exactly where the energy/entity is, it would just be invisible, hidden by the nature of that sphere of displaced/bending light.

Briefly... Let go of your old expectations, don't think anymore during, or analyze.. Go with it wherever and however it comes.

You shouldn't be thinking at all.. Like watching a movie.. Observe all around you. When you remove the "self" from the experience... you'll find an immediate difference.

Like a driverless car: get in, close your eyes, and let it take you where it will. With practice, you can direct it, stop along the way... even change destinations and moving directions.

I've been referred to as a "leaper"..the ability to "leave" under 3-5 minutes with little or no effort.. Which is what scared me as a child..

The dark entites can masquerade as an old friend, a deceased loved one or family member... which is why its important to realize that in your excitement upon meeting..

Yes... they can be visual or just an impulse.. Go with your gut feelings and always "see" yourself surrounded by white light (mine is yellow-gold and white).. Tell them to go and they will.

Best..... Anyrime.. MS