Homicides per state, wow.

One tune I like, for some reason.

Culture of violence. Carry it.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: ScepticScot

left compared to the normal ones here. (people like me)

What is a normal American?

On Gun control surveys tend to show a near even split between for and against tighter rules.

You had a near 50/50 split at the last presidential election.

What is a normal Brit? My neighbor is brit and we got into a gun debate years ago. He has like a 32 revolver for home defense, I'm prior military type with everything and 1000s of rounds... He said I do not need any of it past his 32, and I said it is not a need, but a right...we went back and forth until I asked him, WTSHTF where are you going...he said, of course I'm coming to your house...end of debate...

In the event of an actual zombie apocalypse I will acknowledge you guys gun laws are better.

Until then I prefer ours.

a reply to: network dude

Guns kill 25 American Children every week...1,300 every year.
www.cnn.com...

Why does it take 17 of them being killed in a single setting, to prompt gun-control discussions?

originally posted by: Xtrozero
36 "kids" since Jan 1 have died to handgun...I think hand guns are winning over rifles of all kinds..

In 2016 nearly 725 kids under the age of 13 were killed as passengers in automobile accidents. Over 1,000 including pedestrians and bicyclists. We should be driving kids around in assault weapons.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

In the event of an actual zombie apocalypse I will acknowledge you guys gun laws are better.

Until then I prefer ours.

Wait until London gets hit with a EMP and they lose power on the island for a month...I can tell you in LA they would be cannibals by the end of the week as stores do not have more than 3 days of food under normal conditions.

originally posted by: Blue Shift

originally posted by: Xtrozero
36 "kids" since Jan 1 have died to handgun...I think hand guns are winning over rifles of all kinds..

In 2016 nearly 725 kids under the age of 13 were killed as passengers in automobile accidents. Over 1,000 including pedestrians and bicyclists. We should be driving kids around in assault weapons.

That is the other part. We keep comparing numbers to a population of 330 MILLION... That means 6300 people die in America each hour of the day, 53 million per year.

originally posted by: Xtrozero
That is the other part. We keep comparing numbers to a population of 330 MILLION... That means 6300 people die in America each hour of the day, 53 million per year.

It's unfortunate that so many personal tragedies become "entertainment" for people -- especially Internet people. Something that in the grand scheme of things is sad but realistically marginal unless it affects you personally. People flock to school shooting news like it was a new sitcom, forgetting that the drama of it hides how small and personal it really is. And if they were really interested in protecting kids there are plenty of other things out there to focus on that kill a lot more kids all the time but they're not as thrilling.

Another thing that's way worse than school shootings in terms of lives lost? Horrible conditions in nursing homes, where we let our old people rot away in pain to be forgotten. But that's a problem that is just sad and incredibly hard to solve, and doesn't angry up everybody's blood.

originally posted by: Blue Shift

It's unfortunate that so many personal tragedies become "entertainment" for people -- especially Internet people. Something that in the grand scheme of things is sad but realistically marginal unless it affects you personally. People flock to school shooting news like it was a new sitcom, forgetting that the drama of it hides how small and personal it really is. And if they were really interested in protecting kids there are plenty of other things out there to focus on that kill a lot more kids all the time but they're not as thrilling.

Another thing that's way worse than school shootings in terms of lives lost? Horrible conditions in nursing homes, where we let our old people rot away in pain to be forgotten. But that's a problem that is just sad and incredibly hard to solve, and doesn't angry up everybody's blood.

I can kind of understand this school shooting though I agree with you, but then big news today was a kid who somehow shot himself in school getting slight wound and it makes big news.

Its called baby Jessica syndrome where the masses can focus on one event and not see so many others that are worst.

a reply to: network dude

Your link goes to chart about Australia.

a reply to: luthier

This... so MUCH this.

Not all homicides are by gun; and they didn't go by population nor land mass... California and Texas are very large states, larger than some countries.

So to be honest keeping the lines and not going by population... this is a year by year graph for rise and fall in each state and should not be used as a comparison or else... bad data, and false information.

One needs to go by population for accurate numbers... to make the point you are trying to make.

originally posted by: Xtrozero
Its called baby Jessica syndrome where the masses can focus on one event and not see so many others that are worst.

I understand it. Old people rotting to death in nursing homes and automobile deaths aren't "news," and these days news is entertainment. Gotta have something new every day or you lose clicks.

(driving through North St. Louis with my radio cranked)


The problem really is deeper than skin, but I have faith that things are going to get better.

I was a bit shocked at these numbers. I honestly didn't expect to see this.

Hmm.. not sure, but seems to me like you are trying to propagate the idea that harsher gun laws = more gun deaths. I wonder why anyone would do that.

www.nydailynews.com...

New York City is an example of a city where you can walk anywhere and feel safe, the murder rate is now almost non-existent. For a city the size of NY, 8.5M population to have under 300 murders is almost unbelievable. They have a huge police force and very tight gun permitting laws. It works with discipline.

Side note, I live in St. Louis, in a lily white low crime area compared to the rest of our now notorious city. My daughter has a friend who is dating a 30 year African American who described himself as from the hood in New York City. Great, anyway, this guy has been to my house a couple times, likes to play pool. We got on the topic of guns, race, St. Louis compared to New York. He thinks we are the biggest bunch of racists ever in MO. I asked him why NY was so safe now having just been there this summer. As he put it, Guliani cleaned it up by massively increasing the police presence. The strict enforcement of gun laws has resulted in significantly fewer people carrying guns, in fact, almost no one. Plaxico Burress is an example of a Super Bowl hero serving 2 years for illegal carry.

Anyway, he said the gangs settle things the old fashioned way in NY now, they have fist fights. He said if one side gets mad and leaves in a hurry, you know they are going home to get their gun. So, everyone leaves and no one gets hurt. Alternatively, if you look at someone the wrong way in St. Louis you are likely to have a gun in your face immediately.

You guys keep arguing if it works. But, NY City is winning the battle.

a reply to: dougie6665

hiding statistics most likely.

a reply to: Abysha

They rose after the ban and the murder rate almost doubled and leveled out. Same with England and Ireland.

originally posted by: network dude
en.wikipedia.org...

Look at this chart. USA isn't anywhere near the top when you break it down like this.
Interesting.

Indeed.

Does the US have a homicide rate closer to the developed world or the third world?

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: network dude

Guns kill 25 American Children every week...1,300 every year.
www.cnn.com...

Why does it take 17 of them being killed in a single setting, to prompt gun-control discussions?

Because it's an acceptable level of violence when it happens somewhere else to someone else's kid.

a reply to: network dude

Not the right gun laws obviously.

You’d use those stats to prove gun laws don’t work? Don’t forget cars, cigarettes, knives, fresh air - anything as long as your precious guns aren’t taken away.

It won’t be easy but you have to try. Or else just accept random massacres as a price you’re all willing to pay.