More than 100 civilians killed in Assad regime bombardment of Eastern Ghouta

a reply to: MaxMech

During the 2014 election vote did not take place in large parts of Syria (at that time being under rebel and Kurdish control) due to the refusal of the Assad regime to recognize their regional autonomy. In addition, most of Syrian refugees didn't vote in this election as the countries which host the larges amounts of refugees banned the elections (which also were dismissed as illegitimate by the European Union and the Gulf Cooperation Council)

Think about what you just typed. The rebel held areas didn't allow a vote, yet you're blaming Assad for that? The rebels don't recognize the Syrian govt as a whole, so they didn't allow participation in an election that included Assad as a candidate. And think about all of the times that GCC & Western leaders said that Assad couldn't be a part of the solution in Syria. Like you pointed out, the ones that hosted Syrian refugees didn't allow those citizens to vote. How can you blame Assad for that, either?

And don't omit what happened 3 months after Assad was elected, when the US, Bahrain, Jordan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and the UAE all invaded Syria without Syrian permission (HERE).

Yes. But the same can be said about Russia and Iran. Without them Assad would be dead long ago.

The difference is that Assad is the leader of the official Syrian government and only the official government can allow other countries into its borders. The Syrian Army supports the Assad led official govt of Syria, as do the majority of Syrians. And don't forget that it was GCC countries who started funding & arming the mercenary "rebels" before Iran and Russia were asked to come in.

Russia, Iran and Hezbollah were not invited by the Syrians either. They were invited by Assad, to fight against Syrians.

Ah, now you're revealing your true colors. You don't acknowledge the vote by the Syrian people, neither their referendum on the new constitution nor the presidential election in 2014. No matter what you say or think, Assad represents the Syrian people, not the Wahhabis in the GCC. Assad isn't the only person in the Syrian government either, meaning that even if he died today, the Syrian government would still be the only ones who could legally allow foreign countries to come into their territory. And they're the ones who are working with Iran, Russia, and Hezbollah on the ground & in meetings, not just Assad.

However, the mercenary "rebel groups" are comprised of jihadists from all over the world. They attack Syrian colleges (HERE & HERE); loot & destroy historical Syrian sites (HERE); and have been attacking Syrian citizens the whole time, including the "moderate" rebel leader who ate the heart of a Syrian soldier/citizen on tape and the "moderate rebels" who paraded captured Syrian Alawites in cages (HERE). Are you really saying they have the interests of the Syrian people in mind? You know when the "rebels" kill civilians in Syria, they're killing Syrians, right?

In fact, right here on ATS there have been plenty of threads showing various GCC nations' support for groups including ISIS & Al Nusra front. There have also been so many articles over the years pointing out the people who funded various Wahhabi "rebel" groups, like this (HERE):

A small but steady flow of money to ISIS from rich individuals in the Gulf continues, say current and former U.S. officials, with Qataris the biggest suppliers. These rich individuals have long served as "angel investors," as one expert put it, for the most violent militants in the region, providing the “seed money” that helped launch ISIS and other jihadi groups.

No one in the U.S. government is putting a number on the current rate of donations, but former U.S. Navy Admiral and NATO Supreme Commander James Stavridis says the cash flow from private donors is significant now and was even more significant in the early fund-raising done by ISIS and al Qaeda’s affiliate in Syria, the al-Nusrah Front.

"These rich Arabs are like what 'angel investors' are to tech start-ups, except they are interested in starting up groups who want to stir up hatred," said Stavridis, now the dean of the Fletcher School of Diplomacy at Tufts University. "Groups like al-Nusrah and ISIS are better investments for them. The individuals act as high rollers early, providing seed money. Once the groups are on their feet, they are perfectly capable of raising funds through other means, like kidnapping, oil smuggling, selling women into slavery, etc."

Stavridis and other current U.S. officials suggest that the biggest share of the individual donations supporting ISIS and the most radical groups comes from Qatar rather than Saudi Arabia, and that the Qatari government has done less to stop the flow than its neighbors in Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates. One U.S. official said the Saudis are "more in line with U.S. foreign policy" than the Qataris.

I'm interested to know if you are aware of Russia's intention for Syria? Or do you think they helped Assad out simply because they are such god guys?

I return that question to you. Why do you think the Saudis and Qataris and Kuwaitis and Israelis and the US and other Western countries have been backing paramilitary groups in Syria? Do you think they're intervening because they're good people? Do you think the same people who supported the 2 wars & occupation in Iraq, the war against Libya, and the atrocious war in Yemen right now actually care about the Syrian people or their plight?

Please provide a source for this claim.

Provide a claim that shows they want democracy, secularism, or religious inclusion for all segments of Syria. You're reminding me of a conversation I previously had about this on ATS (HERE).

As for proof, there's the actual government that ISIS & its affiliated "rebels" set up in Syria. It was literally an ultra conservative Wahhabi hellhole of oppression. No democracy, no secularism, and no religious inclusion for all segments of the population. And it's important to note that when the US coalition official attacked Syria in 2014, ISIS reportedly only had between 20,000 and 31,500 fighters and allies in Syria and Iraq (HERE). Yet the US backed coalition coincidentally never managed to take them down in 2014, 2015, nor 2016, despite everyone knowing where they were, where their supply routes were, where their conveys were shipping stolen oil to and from, etc.

BBC reporting 200 dead now. It's the main headline on the BBC news................... That's a worry. Expect something to go down soon

a reply to: intrptr

Both sides, filtered by reason and intellect. Thats why the interwebs is so cool, everyone has a say; once you discard all the politics, lies and bicker, there lies the nugget of truth.

Sorry but I really don't understand what all of this means. You discard a source because it provides evidence which contradict your opinions. So I'm asking, which source is trustworthy, by your standards? From your answer it seems you prefer to cherry-pick information from different places as long as it suites you views, as no one source is able to always suit your agenda.

a reply to: enlightenedservant

Think about what you just typed. The rebel held areas didn't allow a vote, yet you're blaming Assad for that? The rebels don't recognize the Syrian govt as a whole, so they didn't allow participation in an election that included Assad as a candidate. And think about all of the times that GCC & Western leaders said that Assad couldn't be a part of the solution in Syria. Like you pointed out, the ones that hosted Syrian refugees didn't allow those citizens to vote. How can you blame Assad for that, either?

Correct. Why someone who murdered and tortured tens of thousands should be allowed to participate in the election? He should be punished for his crimes. To allow him to run as a candidate is de facto pardoning him. He should have agreed to elections when the protests started, before hundreds of thousands lost their lives. Now it's too late, he will never be seeing as the rightful leader of Syria.

And don't omit what happened 3 months after Assad was elected, when the US, Bahrain, Jordan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and the UAE all invaded Syria without Syrian permission (HERE).

I'm not omitting anything. This fact simply has nothing to do with the OP. These countries had nothing to do with the recent attacks on eastern Ghouta.

The difference is that Assad is the leader of the official Syrian government and only the official government can allow other countries into its borders. The Syrian Army supports the Assad led official govt of Syria, as do the majority of Syrians. And don't forget that it was GCC countries who started funding & arming the mercenary "rebels" before Iran and Russia were asked to come in.

The legality of Assad's actions have lost it's relevance long time ago. You cannot on one hand massacre you own people by the thousands and on the other hand claim you have legal high ground to invite foreign actors into your country. Assad did invite Iran, Russia and Hezbollah (a terror organization) but the Syrian people invited the coalition to help them fight against Assad's murderous regime.

Ah, now you're revealing your true colors.

And what are those?

You don't acknowledge the vote by the Syrian people, neither their referendum on the new constitution nor the presidential election in 2014.

As there was no democratic vote by the Syrian people, and this is not me who doesn't recognize it. It isn't recognized by majority world countries and the majority of Syrian people.

No matter what you say or think, Assad represents the Syrian people, not the Wahhabis in the GCC.

This is exactly what you should be considering. The world doesn't care about your views and opinions. In reality Assad does not represent anybody except himself. History will remember him as the murderous dictator he is.

However, the mercenary "rebel groups" are comprised of jihadists from all over the world. They attack Syrian colleges (HERE & HERE); loot & destroy historical Syrian sites (HERE); and have been attacking Syrian citizens the whole time, including the "moderate" rebel leader who ate the heart of a Syrian soldier/citizen on tape and the "moderate rebels" who paraded captured Syrian Alawites in cages (HERE). Are you really saying they have the interests of the Syrian people in mind? You know when the "rebels" kill civilians in Syria, they're killing Syrians, right?

I'm not saying there are no terror organizations in Syria, but there wasn't when the war began. Assad's regime murdered tens of thousands of civilians long before terrorist groups entered Syria. I wouldn't be surprised if Assad let them in so he would have an excuse to wipe out the rebels. Your examples are valid, during the war people loose their minds. I'm not excusing attacks on universities, but all of it could have been avoided if Assad would step down when the only thing the opposition did is protesting.

Are you really saying they have the interests of the Syrian people in mind? You know when the "rebels" kill civilians in Syria, they're killing Syrians, right?

And are you really saying Assad has the interests of the Syrian people in mind? This post about how Assad forces are bombing hospitals. Not five years ago, but a couple of days ago. But like most anti-west agents here you are quick to divert the discussion instead of actually addressing the OP.

In fact, right here on ATS there have been plenty of threads showing various GCC nations' support for groups including ISIS & Al Nusra front. There have also been so many articles over the years pointing out the people who funded various Wahhabi "rebel" groups, like this (HERE):

Ok, so Qatar is funding ISIS. They are also funding Hamas. Is there a point?
I'm not saying that the alternative to Assad is ISIS. Both should be eliminated.
Pretending that this war is Assad vs ISIS, is dishonest, and you know it.

I return that question to you. Why do you think the Saudis and Qataris and Kuwaitis and Israelis and the US and other Western countries have been backing paramilitary groups in Syria? Do you think they're intervening because they're good people? Do you think the same people who supported the 2 wars & occupation in Iraq, the war against Libya, and the atrocious war in Yemen right now actually care about the Syrian people or their plight?

I don't think the coalition cares about Syrian people. These countries only care about their own interests. In this situation their interests and the interests of the Syrian people are overlapping. Both will gain if Assad is removed.
Russia and Iran also don't care about the Syrian people but they will gain immensely if Assad stays in power, while the Syrian people will continue to die by the hundreds, like in the last few days.

Provide a claim that shows they want democracy, secularism, or religious inclusion for all segments of Syria. You're reminding me of a conversation I previously had about this on ATS (HERE).

I'm still waiting for a source for this claim: "majority of their "rebels" wanting an ultra conservative Salafi or Wahhabi-styled govt that completely disregards the constitutional reforms that the Syrian protestors originally wanted."

As for proof, there's the actual government that ISIS & its affiliated "rebels" set up in Syria. It was literally an ultra conservative Wahhabi hellhole of oppression. No democracy, no secularism, and no religious inclusion for all segments of the population.

This is ISIS, not the rebels. As mentioned numerous times before, ISIS entered Syria years after the war began.

And it's important to note that when the US coalition official attacked Syria in 2014, ISIS reportedly only had between 20,000 and 31,500 fighters and allies in Syria and Iraq (HERE). Yet the US backed coalition coincidentally never managed to take them down in 2014, 2015, nor 2016, despite everyone knowing where they were, where their supply routes were, where their conveys were shipping stolen oil to and from, etc.

I'm not advocating US's actions. I'm criticizing Assad's actions, which are the most horrible crimes against humanity the world seen during this century.

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

BBC reporting 200 dead now. It's the main headline on the BBC news................... That's a worry. Expect something to go down soon

Sure, don't concern yourself with the actual civilian casualties. Headlines... they are the true horror...

five hospitals were bombed.

according to google maps there is only two hospitals possibly a third in Eastern Ghouta

after reading a bit more from of the op's sources its even more than 5 hospitals.

Seven hospitals have also been bombed since Monday morning in eastern Ghouta,

never forget the 9 hospitals.

while the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, a UK-based monitor, said

stopped reading after that.

the sames groups reporting this info are the same groups that have been exposed fraudulent making rescue videos in the past.
just like the 3000 hospitals reported bombed in Aleppo.

a reply to: oddnutz

stopped reading after that. the sames groups reporting this info are the same groups that have been exposed fraudulent making rescue videos in the past. just like the 3000 hospitals reported bombed in Aleppo.

This report didn't originate from the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights.
It was reported by The Union of Medical Care and Relief Organisations, a coalition of international agencies that funds hospitals in Syria.
Syrian regime and Russia bombing hospitals is nothing new. Read more about it here - Russian–Syrian hospital bombing campaign

a reply to: MaxMech

Sorry but I really don't understand what all of this means. You discard a source because it provides evidence which contradict your opinions.

One way to tell what the BS is ? Whatever they wash, rinse and repeat over and again. The crap they genuflect over, never shut up about, thats the propaganda.

You don't know by now how to differentiate from WMD, Evil Dictators, Regime Change, Humanitarian Aid...?

But you do , don't you.

a reply to: airowineSailorcat

turkey is shelling and bombing Afrin, elements of the Syrian military have entered the city, are being shelled by Turk-- I mean, NATO artillery.

a reply to: intrptr

One way to tell what the BS is ? Whatever they wash, rinse and repeat over and again. The crap they genuflect over, never shut up about, thats the propaganda.

Oh like "All Syrian rebels are actually Islamist terrorists"? The anti west MSM is full of it.
How about North Korea? Western MSM criticize NK non-stop. Is it all lies, propaganda and conspiracy as well? Kim is actually the good guy, like Assad?

a reply to: MaxMech

No, the lie they tell us about bad presidents hurting their people is the excuse used by the west to destroy these nations.

Which is worse. Let Sovereign nations take care of their own internal affairs or laying waste to everything and everyone, in the name of improving it...

lulz

a reply to: intrptr

Which is worse. Let Sovereign nations take care of their own internal affairs or laying waste to everything and everyone, in the name of improving it...

So basically, allow Kim to prison, torture, rape and kill millions (same as was done by his father and grandfather for decades now) and hope that somehow everything will be resolved by it's self?
The average north Korean would spit in your face for this mindset.

In my opinion, doing nothing is worse. Turning your back on suffering is worse.
There is no need to lay waste to everything and everyone in Syria's situation. Only to one "man".