Shooting reported at Florida high school

originally posted by: OrdoAdChao
a reply to: mzinga

I am with you on an AR for defense. But, I would be hard pressed to raise an eyebrow to anyone who had an AR for target shooting. They're simply a lot of fun and are key for certain target shooting situations. Shooting is a sport in America, we're not all just out there LARPing in camo pretending to be militiamen.

Got paintball guns for that and courses.

originally posted by: Christosterone
They had a fire drill.
Soon after, the same alarm went off but a speaker(presumably vice pricnicpal) came over the PA and said “all students and teachers are required to exit immediately. This is not a drill. Evacuate.”
Students said they were hearing pops soon after as they ran around the exterior of the school...

-Chris

Now that's a little odd don't you think??? Students told to run out into the halls where there is an active shooter killing people???

a reply to: TheRedneck

I won't give you a hard time for hunting with a semi. You're from Alabama, I've never hunted there, so I will absolutely give you the benefit of the doubt that a semi will get the job done better.

The job, to me, is killing the animal as quickly as possible. I eat what I kill and I love meat and rarely buy it outside of poultry which is locally produced.

In Montana, I hunt mule deer with .270 and Elk/Moose/Black Bear with 30-06. I take my .220 swift with me for the drive in case I get into white-tail. As a note, I hunt black bear when the tags are plentiful because the population is getting out of hand in certain areas. Taking out a large boar that is fearless of humans is as much a service as it is a thrill.

ET prevent thread drift: Hunting means a lot to me, so does shooting as a sport. It's exciting, requires discipline, skill and commitment as well as great deal of respect for humans and our capabilities. I stand by guns for self-defense, sport and hunting.

Ignoring the elephant in the room is what has brought us here. Lack of opportunity and care for the weakest links in our common society will result in this. I am not talking about people who "fall through the cracks" or are legitimate menaces to the common good. I am talking about "that guy" who everyone knew wouldn't amount to much, but at least he amounted to more for society than a murderer of it's future.

a reply to: OrdoAdChao

It's not that the Mini-14 does a better job as much as it is that the .223 is such a good hunting round. The semi-auto feature just means I don't need to cock it for the next round.

I like the ballistics on the .220 swift, but never had an opportunity to fire one.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: starviego

originally posted by: Im2keul

originally posted by: starviego

originally posted by: projectvxn
High school ROTC.

If you think you get the same training in high school ROTC that I did in basic combat training, then you are delusional.

He was probably pulled aside and given the 'special' training. Note the shooter is also alleged to have had a gas mask and smoke grenades.

Got a link for that?

Strange things...It's a fire alarm...Why would people run towards the fire (smoke)???

www.miamiherald.com...=cpy
U.S. Sen. Bill Nelson told reporters that Cruz pulled a fire alarm and then, wearing a gas mask, began tossing smoke bombs and shooting people as they ran through the haze.

a reply to: TheRedneck

I love semi-auto for target shooting. There is nothing more fun and skilled than nailing targets flawlessly and effortlessly with a well tuned semi-auto.

For hunting up here we get into wide open areas that have huge herds and there have restrictions on the sex and for elk the age (brow-tined only unless there is a spike tag), not to mention the ranges and elevation differences (1/8-1/4 mile up or down hill shots are normal, not the exception). Semi-auto results in a dead animal with potential wounded animals in these conditions. I hunt with very responsible mini-14 and AR users, and they're great for those quick "THERE IT IS!" kills. Those are the once or twice a season situations here, and I understand banking on those. We, technically, can't use handguns during rifle season for the first shot, but I totally agree that within 60 yards the right hand gun will be much more effective than rifle.


To get back on track, the fact that a human reached such a point as to murder 17 people who had no damned chance baffles me. I can't immediately blame them, or guns. I look at our "Great Society" and wonder how this ever could have been a result.


ETA: As for the .220 swiift: If you can practice on gophers/prairie dogs, you'll get a kick out of the results!

a reply to: burgerbuddy

So ban paintballs! Amirite?

Airsoft! Now that's a man's sport!

FFS learn to shoot real guns at real live things and kill them. It's a very good lesson. I feel blessed to have learned that pointing a gun at anything may result in something dying. It's not video games, it's not bad parenting, it's not just poor mental health treatment. It's all of these things mixed into someone who doesn't have an honest experience with weapons outside of shooting something and walking away.

Anyone who has hunted and shot, dressed and dragged an animal that started out well over twice their own weight understands what using a firearm means. It is, absolutely, the most powerful general, everyday tool that a single human can wield over life.


ETA: We're living in a society that desensitizes repercussions for actions. We're seeing this with HollyWeinstein et al. Luckily were being more sensitive in some areas, and by that I mean "common sense" and not "snowflake". Shoot up a school/public gathering and die a folk hero/victim should be on the decline. It's backwards.

A person goes crazy so I lose my guns. Nope. Not a chance.

The signs were there. The warning signs were there. Nothing was done. There is someone to blame and it is not ALL on the shooter.....

a reply to: roadgravel
what i found infuriating is it was reported on the news that it took police 30 minutes to arrive. it also was reported that their is 2 armed deputies at this school every day what were they doing at time of shootings
?

www.telegraph.co.uk...

What a shock. The shooter was a gun nut. Time to disarm these people.

Investigators believe that the suspect pulled the fire alarm to draw people out and get a higher death toll, according to a law enforcement source.

He is also believed to have concealed himself among the hundreds of students fleeing the school, according to the Broward County Sheriff's Office. Investigators were able to identify Cruz from school security videos and found him in a nearby neighborhood in Coral Springs, Florida, according to police.

www.cnn.com...

More about him, ROTC and where he lived at the link.

Was anyone watching it live on CNN and possibility heard the interview with one of the students ( phone in ) who claimed that 2-3 weeks prior the entire school had an active shooter drill ? That the students and teachers spent time discussing how to handle this very situation?

originally posted by: matafuchs
A person goes crazy so I lose my guns. Nope. Not a chance.

The signs were there. The warning signs were there. Nothing was done. There is someone to blame and it is not ALL on the shooter.....

A Person?, Howz about mutiple persons every year since i can remember and i'm 50. ISIS are laughing at your country and applaud every last one of your mass murderers ffs.

If facebook and youtube had taken the responsibility they should have, and reported this behavior to authorities, then this could have been possibly averted. If nothing else, the cops would have been made aware, and let them deal with it. Why they wont take responsibility for their content is beyond me>

a reply to: Edumakated

The purpose it serves to keep these people behind bars for a lifetime is to show that we are above them. That we uphold our principles and our rule of law and will not stoop to their level.

And when it comes to the cost of keeping these deplorables alive in prison vs the death penalty, when you define whether someone should live or not due to convenience, that in turn, is the nature of evil.

I don't believe in the death penalty for the same reason I don't believe in shooting up a school. Nobody has the right to take the life of another human being.

I understand that the golden rule requires some evolved thinking to apply and we're hardly even out of the jungle.

Thumbs...

originally posted by: gariac
www.telegraph.co.uk...

What a shock. The shooter was a gun nut. Time to disarm these people.

Who decides who is a nut?

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: matafuchs
A person goes crazy so I lose my guns. Nope. Not a chance.

The signs were there. The warning signs were there. Nothing was done. There is someone to blame and it is not ALL on the shooter.....

A Person?, Howz about mutiple persons every year since i can remember and i'm 50. ISIS are laughing at your country and applaud every last one of your mass murderers ffs.

ISIS are not laughing - they are desperately trying to hold onto the postage stamp sized sliver of land they have left of their so-called caliphate.

Is there any background on Nicolas Cruz yet? I think his surname comes from his adopted parents?

How was he able to enter the school with a firearm? The schools in my area are locked during school hours.

Not sure if this was already posted or not. This guy reported the shooter a few months ago to the FBI when the shooter commented "Im going to be a professional school shooter" on one of his videos. Its the same #. These people are being reported but nothing happens to them until they snap and the damage is already done.