Russian airliner crashes shortly after take off

a reply to: Blackfinger

You can see on the ADS-B data where the aircraft was oscillating. It wasn't a violent oscillation, but you can see it.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Judging by that video Zaph the fuselage itself must have stayed relatively intact until it hit the ground going off of that explosion?

a reply to: Woody510

There was a fairly large piece that hit, so most likely. That was a pretty decent size explosion.

Not far from takeoff,lot of fuel onboard.

originally posted by: GBP/JPY
hope I'm wrong but don't get in one.....Boeing yes....Airbus no

Oh please have we been drinking or are you throwing argument bait around because you are bored? Boeing's generally have higher speed aerofoils than Airbus's, that's why they tend to have higher cruise speeds. Airbuses tend to have lower fuel burn as a result although not always (737's burn a little less than 320's for example). And ALL aircraft will suffer from icing at some point, its simple atmospheric physics.

a reply to: thebozeian

The only thing I don't like about Airbus is the noise the hydraulic pump makes sounds like a drill going in to bricks.

a reply to: Woody510
You are probably referring to the PTU's (Power Transfer Units), most commonly heard on push back on A-320's. Its where one hydraulic system drives the other temporarily through a cross connect until engine start. Later model 320's dont do it, it would seem.

a reply to: thebozeian

Its just one of those noises that's goes right through me and is rather annoying haha

There is a 7mx4mx1.5m crater at the impact site. According to Saratov, the aircraft had undergone an inspection before departure on this flight, and had a new crew on board, which included two mechanics who had inspected the aircraft. The Captain had 2,147 hours on type, the FO had 812 hours on type.

Saratov has suspended operations with their other 5 An-148s.

www.flightglobal.com...

yep, I'm real picky

talkin bout the wing loading my brother.....resultant from the drawing board....I draw em up with a wing chord matching the fuselage better

we fly two different wings on a high aspect wing

the worst offender is a dash 8 dash 400 super stretcher.....man the planview grabs your eye

originally posted by: Woody510
a reply to: thebozeian

The only thing I don't like about Airbus is the noise the hydraulic pump makes sounds like a drill going in to bricks.

does anyone else feel the adverse yaw on an Airbus? not bad buut....

originally posted by: nelloh62
a reply to: Zaphod58

Hmmm, unconfirmed report of what you mentioned about collision

" There were also unconfirmed reports that the plane collided with a helicopter from the Russian postal service, according to an Interfax source. "

www.dailymail.co.uk...

That would explain the break up of the plane before it hit the ground.

The question of engine deicing failure has been raised. There's conflicting information about the aircraft before departure. There was a report that they didn't request aircraft deicing, but according to an airport source it's SOP to deice all aircraft when icing conditions are present.

Russians post doesn't have any helicopters.

www.newsweek.com...

a reply to: SickWave

I don't know where it started but that rumor was dropped pretty quickly.

originally posted by: GBP/JPY

do not fly the high aspect winged aircraft....

a high aspect wing means long and skinny.....but a high aspect wing has a high wing loading...hello designers dang ma

Dash 8 is another.....

Errm aspect ratio is not related to wing-loading. Wing area and weight are, though. Gliders have exceptionally high aspect ratio and very low loading, for example.

Using MTOW and wing-area figures, I get this napkin math:
B777 has a 118.3. Lb/ft^2
B747 133.5
B737-9 138.3
A380 139.3

AN-148 is only at 98.4 lb/sq ft
Dash-8 (Q400) comes in at 97.5

Might want to rethink the basis for your hatreds! Lower-aspect ratio usually equates to better ride comfort-- especially down low and fast (think B-1, F-111, Tornado Gr.1, etc).

Investigators are now saying there was no fire, and the aircraft was intact up until impact.

a reply to: Zaphod58

That makes you take another look at icing then.

a reply to: RadioRobert

Makes you wonder if it was another Air Florida situation.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Was that the one that went into the Potomac?