Proof that an advanced civilisation existed. Case closed.

originally posted by: All Seeing Eye
If the following turns out to be legitimate, some folks around here are going to be forced to eat Crow. And I'll buy

A 20,000-year-old transformer found in Kosovo

Ismet Smaili, a researcher, found a mysterious object in the mountains of Kosovo. The artifact appears to be a transformer or a unique stone with an integrated electromagnetic coil.

We will have to follow the story on this "Item". At this point no details have been released as to exactly where and how it was discovered and recovered.

One thing I did notice is the shape of the copper wire, it isn't round. Its flat.

Saw the story last summer. It's bogus.
Of course, you don't have to take my word for it. In fact, I absolutely encourage you not to.
You should find out for yourself.

Harte

a reply to: Harte

Saw the story last summer. It's bogus.
Of course, you don't have to take my word for it. In fact, I absolutely encourage you not to.
You should find out for yourself.

Again, I do question where, and how it was found. I understand the questioning of the condition of the copper wire and the oxidation process, but since no information of the copper alloy is presented, it can not be dismissed out of hand. We do not know if it is a "Hardened Alloy" which would have a completely different oxidation process. The alloy then might be "Indestructible". But that can only be guessed at.

It also might not be a "Transformer". It could very well represent a Electromagnet, or other electrical component we are not presently knowledgeable of.

Being 20,000 years old would be hard to defend, unless again, of where and how it was discovered. If it was found in a cave or cave like structure with date-able material nearby, then possible. As a side not, it also appears to have been "Crushed", and the coiled material is not round, as manufactured.

So, do you think you might share the rational behind your opinion? What makes it "Bogus", in your opinion.

a reply to: All Seeing Eye

IMO, it's not stone. The thing is cast in some kind of geopolymer from the looks of it.
And there's been no attempt at verification of it's age - I say it's modern.

Harte

originally posted by: All Seeing Eye
a reply to: Harte

Saw the story last summer. It's bogus.
Of course, you don't have to take my word for it. In fact, I absolutely encourage you not to.
You should find out for yourself.

Again, I do question where, and how it was found. I understand the questioning of the condition of the copper wire and the oxidation process, but since no information of the copper alloy is presented, it can not be dismissed out of hand. We do not know if it is a "Hardened Alloy" which would have a completely different oxidation process. The alloy then might be "Indestructible". But that can only be guessed at.

It also might not be a "Transformer". It could very well represent a Electromagnet, or other electrical component we are not presently knowledgeable of.

Being 20,000 years old would be hard to defend, unless again, of where and how it was discovered. If it was found in a cave or cave like structure with date-able material nearby, then possible. As a side not, it also appears to have been "Crushed", and the coiled material is not round, as manufactured.

So, do you think you might share the rational behind your opinion? What makes it "Bogus", in your opinion.

It's a concretion. Something discarded that ended up in a chemical bath. Things like stalactites and stalagmites can form surprisingly quickly under the right circumstances.

Have you ever lived in an area where there was "hard water"? Have you seen what pipes look like after a few years?

That's the same process.

originally posted by: Harte
a reply to: All Seeing Eye

IMO, it's not stone. The thing is cast in some kind of geopolymer from the looks of it.
And there's been no attempt at verification of it's age - I say it's modern.

Harte

So, you agree this "Item" represents technology. correct? And you believe it is actually encased with a geopolymer material, correct? Sounds reasonable so far.

A Geopolymer is a product of casting as I understand. And once it sets, if it fails, it will crack, not tear. Yet, in some of the pictures it looks like a ceramic, which is, used in electronics. But in some areas, it appears to have torn, and melted over some surrounding area.

Of course, this could be the result of sloppy manufacturing, high tolerances. But I can assure you our manufacturing processes presently would have rejected such imperfections.

Another oddity is that it appears to actually have been encased in this Geopolymer material. Most electronics I know of do not do this so the component can cool down from normal operating temperatures. The casing may have broke open due to the slight differences in expansion and contraction, over time. Whether or not the casing is ceramic or a cast Geopolymer would need to be studied further, with hands on.

Another oddity is the 4 holes. They appear to be inserts of some type of metal, with threads. For mounting, or threaded stud for conducting electricity one would have to see the other side. X rays required. If it was encased, completely, then that would explain why the coils are in relatively good shape. It may have started to crack open some years after manufacture.

What makes you think this is a recent example of modern day technology? Have you, or do you know of another example somewhere of the same type of manufacturing you might want to share?

In the following link one suggestion is given but no direct comparison is made, no sample. Better pictures are provided.

A 20,000 Year Old “Transformer” Found in Kosovo

originally posted by: All Seeing Eye

What makes you think this is a recent example of modern day technology?

What makes you think it's 20,000 years old? It's up to the people making the extraordinary claims to provide the evidence.

originally posted by: FatherLukeDuke

originally posted by: All Seeing Eye

What makes you think this is a recent example of modern day technology?

What makes you think it's 20,000 years old? It's up to the people making the extraordinary claims to provide the evidence.

I don't.

And since no further release of information has been forthcoming, no consideration of dating can take place. And at this point nothing can be ruled in, or , out.

Without knowing where and how it was recovered makes dating it virtually impossible. Except, if there are other modern day examples of this type of construction. Do you know of any application, have you seen an example of this design used in modern day? I would be happy to compare it.

At this point, I know of no modern day application for this design. Again, do you?

I can not rule out 20,000, 10,000, or even 5000. Nor can I rule out 100. If you can find a example of present day use, we can rule that in, but even at that, the older ages cant be ruled out.

originally posted by: All Seeing Eye

originally posted by: FatherLukeDuke

originally posted by: All Seeing Eye

What makes you think this is a recent example of modern day technology?

What makes you think it's 20,000 years old? It's up to the people making the extraordinary claims to provide the evidence.

I don't.

And since no further release of information has been forthcoming, no consideration of dating can take place. And at this point nothing can be ruled in, or , out.

Without knowing where and how it was recovered makes dating it virtually impossible. Except, if there are other modern day examples of this type of construction. Do you know of any application, have you seen an example of this design used in modern day? I would be happy to compare it.

At this point, I know of no modern day application for this design. Again, do you?

I can not rule out 20,000, 10,000, or even 5000. Nor can I rule out 100. If you can find a example of present day use, we can rule that in, but even at that, the older ages cant be ruled out.

It's a commercially made product. To prove it's modern, simply get a close look at it (which they're not going to let you do) and find out what manufacturer's name is stamped on it.

a reply to: Byrd

It's a concretion. Something discarded that ended up in a chemical bath. Things like stalactites and stalagmites can form surprisingly quickly under the right circumstances.

It's a commercially made product.

Now ,which is it? Stalactites, or a product of manufacture? Its hard to follow your train of thought...

I did find the manufactures label "Proudly Made by Annunaki Slave Labor" and made in "Lovingly made in Argartha". LOL
LOL

a reply to: All Seeing Eye

Are there not two things, the "device" and the surrounding matrix?
A little disingenuous of you, wasn't it?

Harte

a reply to: one4all

Putin wants to tell the world the truth.

If this post was not intended sarcastically, it is evidence that Russia is using every means to confuse the unwary. They are weaponizing the "X-Files!

originally posted by: Harte
a reply to: All Seeing Eye

Are there not two things, the "device" and the surrounding matrix?

Harte

The "Device", I consider to be one thing. True, made up of 4 or 5 items.
1.Cover
2. Central insulator
3. Copper Winding's, multiple layers
4. Winding insulation.
5. Metal threaded and knurled inserts.

A little disingenuous of you, wasn't it?

No, not at all. Nothing, compared to the "Hoodwinking" taking place. And the "Brotherly" support system. Very obvious.

originally posted by: All Seeing Eye

originally posted by: Harte
a reply to: All Seeing Eye

Are there not two things, the "device" and the surrounding matrix?

Harte

The "Device", I consider to be one thing. True, made up of 4 or 5 items.
1.Cover
2. Central insulator
3. Copper Winding's, multiple layers
4. Winding insulation.
5. Metal threaded and knurled inserts.

A little disingenuous of you, wasn't it?

No, not at all. Nothing, compared to the "Hoodwinking" taking place. And the "Brotherly" support system. Very obvious.

I'd say that it's clear to anyone reading that earlier post that you were pretending Byrd was talking about the same thing in both quotes, when it's easy to see she was referring to the device in one of your quotes, and to the matrix in the other.

Harte

originally posted by: Harte

originally posted by: All Seeing Eye

originally posted by: Harte
a reply to: All Seeing Eye

Are there not two things, the "device" and the surrounding matrix?

Harte

The "Device", I consider to be one thing. True, made up of 4 or 5 items.
1.Cover
2. Central insulator
3. Copper Winding's, multiple layers
4. Winding insulation.
5. Metal threaded and knurled inserts.

A little disingenuous of you, wasn't it?

No, not at all. Nothing, compared to the "Hoodwinking" taking place. And the "Brotherly" support system. Very obvious.

I'd say that it's clear to anyone reading that earlier post that you were pretending Byrd was talking about the same thing in both quotes, when it's easy to see she was referring to the device in one of your quotes, and to the matrix in the other.

Harte

I say, its clear to anyone reading that you are intentionally diverting the discussion away from the Item in question. That, in itself, is disingenuous.

And again: A 20,000 Year Old “Transformer” Found in Kosovo

If the item was fully enclosed during its lifetime, and broke open some years back, the condition of the copper wire would not reflect its true age. And it does look as though it was originally, completely, encased by the Geopolymer. So dating it by the amount of copper oxidation would only give its age to the time it broke open.

I made an account just so I can reply to some of the claims made on this thread. Some posters have claimed that these stones couldn't be cut even with todays technology. I beg to differ. They were cut using simple copper alloy tools. examples of these have been found in egypt and elsewhere,, Some photos of them can be found here antropogenez.ru...

And here's a video of people using copper tools to cut and drill into granite with the same tools, recreated. And yes, these tools leave the exact same marks that we see in ancient egypt and elsewhere

Sawing granite with copper saw:
www.youtube.com...

Drilling with copper saw www.youtube.com...

Thanks

originally posted by: All Seeing Eye
a reply to: Byrd

It's a concretion. Something discarded that ended up in a chemical bath. Things like stalactites and stalagmites can form surprisingly quickly under the right circumstances.

It's a commercially made product.

Now ,which is it? Stalactites, or a product of manufacture? Its hard to follow your train of thought...

I did find the manufactures label "Proudly Made by Annunaki Slave Labor" and made in "Lovingly made in Argartha". LOL
LOL

The object is a commercially made transformer of a type common in Russia - a TOL-10, according to Russians familiar wih transformers.. The concretion is a different substance - an epoxy resin.

a reply to: badw0lf

Nice Video!

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
Just finished watching the video. Incredible stuff, and very easy to follow the logic and reasoning behind why all of the material presented in the video is TRUE.

The only thing missing here in modern times is having people WILLING to accept the truth when it hammers them in the head. Sadly, logic and reason in today's modern world just seems to give most people a concussion.

Agree!

originally posted by: Irishhaf
Do me a favor, next time don't say case closed that helps prevent any actual debate and puts skeptics on the defensive which will lead to more snapping at rather than discussion.

While personally I believe our ancestors were much more advanced than we give them credit for, by saying you cant debate this you shut down what could have been a good discussion.

I think we had that debate 1000 times already and you cannot have a discussion when the other party just turns a blind eye or try to pull some nonsense as an argument. No, definitely case closed. Nothing to discuss further. period!