House Intelligence FISA memo released: What it says

a reply to: Justoneman

It is a fact? There is no evidence I am aware of do you know of it or are just repeating the memo?

a reply to: luthier

You think all that drama releasing it, and they would if it wasnt accurate?

originally posted by: Greven

I don't know crap about the dossier's veracity and nobody here does either.

So, you first claim that "Redstate" debunked the Nuñez's memo, but now you are claiming we don't know anything about the veracity of the dossier?... How can "Redstate" debunk something you claim no one knows anything about?...

originally posted by: Greven
Also, it is irrelevant - y'all are getting distracted by this partisan memo.

As opposed to knowing that very biased people who did not want to see Trump being elected as President had been paid for by the DNC and Clinton campaign to make a report which to this day has not been verified... Or do you care to point out where and when have any of the claims about Trump colluding with Russian officials had been verified?...

originally posted by: Greven
Note the very last page - the one that says FBI counterintelligence investigation had been initiated based on Papadopoulos in July 2016 against Carter Page.

...an investigation done by none other than Pete Strzok... The same Strzok who wrote to his mistress, an FBI lawyer, about an insurance in case Trump won the Presidency...

originally posted by: Greven
Note also that the FISA warrant was renewed several times. If they hadn't found anything, the court wouldn't have renewed it once - let alone three times. This is a protection against abuse that requires renewal every 90 days.

If they had found something it would have been news a long time ago... instead FALSE claims have inundated the media being paid for by the firms contracted by the DNC and Clinton campaign... One of those firms also contracted Steele to make the dossier... So EVERYTHING had been paid for by the Clinton campaign and the DNC to go after a political opponent... The FBI top dogs never mentioned this to the FISA courts which would have stopped the spying...

originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: luthier

Ron Paul would also say Nunes was a traitorous twit for sitting on this memo while the vote to expand fisa was happening and Nunez is a total hypocritic for voting to expand fisa.

Yep, I think so too. I keep saying stay neutral for a reason.

In all fairness, when Nunes came from the White House after first viewing the memo, he looked like he had seen a ghost.

If anyone finds the video, it's remarkable.

So very many moments in the last 2yr have some down to "tells" of body language.

DSW addressing the Capital Police Chief is another obvious one.

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Justoneman

The abusers of FISA ate a problem.

The vote for more and more surveillance is a much bigger problem things like public cherades of nunes and schiff mask over.

Well, it is just like Flying fox and Iggy said. These guys are all in a bag together on this stuff. We need a 3rd party that isn't hacked to combine those thoughts!

TPTB, hate to lose so don't expect it to be easy getting rid of the cabal, as I like to call them.

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: luthier

You think all that drama releasing it, and they would if it wasnt accurate?

I do.

Just look at all the people who believe it with no evidence.

Has nuns seen the fish application?

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: luthier

You think all that drama releasing it, and they would if it wasnt accurate?

I do.

Just look at all the people who believe it with no evidence.

Has nuns seen the fish application?

I think I have seen you believing the dossier for months with NO evidence, right?

originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Justoneman

The abusers of FISA ate a problem.

The vote for more and more surveillance is a much bigger problem things like public cherades of nunes and schiff mask over.

Well, it is just like Flying fox and Iggy said. These guys are all in a bag together on this stuff. We need a 3rd party that isn't hacked to combine those thoughts!

TPTB, hate to lose so don't expect it to be easy getting rid of the cabal, as I like to call them.

Very true.

Don't take my skepticism as a nod to the dems. I just don't believe Nunes.

The Senate judiciary is doing the real work if there is any.

a reply to: luthier

But this was a 'throwing down the gauntlet' move, with all sorts of weeks of debate and approval, voting BS, like never before.

They go do that and it wasnt accurate, is like all time crapping the bed.

Seems too risky to me.

Besides, it all read like about what I'd expect from the reports the past year.

No surprise to be found in it really. Just a wrap up summary of what was already expected.

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: luthier

You think all that drama releasing it, and they would if it wasnt accurate?

All avenues run through AG Sessions now for action. If he doesn't put in place a Special Prosecutor, what we think won't matter one damn bit. (imo)

originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: luthier

You think all that drama releasing it, and they would if it wasnt accurate?

I do.

Just look at all the people who believe it with no evidence.

Has nuns seen the fish application?

I think I have seen you believing the dossier for months with NO evidence, right?

Really?

I don't think so.

At most I have said it hasn't been completely disproven.

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: Greven

I don't know crap about the dossier's veracity and nobody here does either.

So, you first claim that "Redstate" debunked the Nuñez's memo, but now you are claiming we don't know anything about the veracity of the dossier?... How can "Redstate" debunk something you claim no one knows anything about?...

originally posted by: Greven
Also, it is irrelevant - y'all are getting distracted by this partisan memo.

As opposed to knowing that very biased people who did not want to see Trump being elected as President had been paid for by the DNC and Clinton campaign to make a report which to this day has not been verified... Or do you care to point out where and when have any of the claims about Trump colluding with Russian officials had been verified?...

originally posted by: Greven
Note the very last page - the one that says FBI counterintelligence investigation had been initiated based on Papadopoulos in July 2016 against Carter Page.

...an investigation done by none other than Pete Strzok... The same Strzok who wrote to his mistress, an FBI lawyer, about an insurance in case Trump won the Presidency...

originally posted by: Greven
Note also that the FISA warrant was renewed several times. If they hadn't found anything, the court wouldn't have renewed it once - let alone three times. This is a protection against abuse that requires renewal every 90 days.

If they had found something it would have been news a long time ago... instead FALSE claims have inundated the media being paid for by the firms contracted by the DNC and clinton campaign...

Easy - by debunking claims the memo makes that are verifiable - like Comey's testimony versus what the memo claims Comey said. These two do not match.

You and the memo neglect the fact that Republicans first sought out Fusion GPS for opposition research on Trump from October 2015 until May 2016. Democrats came calling in April 2016.

According to the memo, which is already known as guilty of twisting things to say what was not said.

Uh, you know investigations take considerable time - especially federal investigations - right? With classified material, the general public ain't gonna know.

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Justoneman

The abusers of FISA ate a problem.

The vote for more and more surveillance is a much bigger problem things like public cherades of nunes and schiff mask over.

Well, it is just like Flying fox and Iggy said. These guys are all in a bag together on this stuff. We need a 3rd party that isn't hacked to combine those thoughts!

TPTB, hate to lose so don't expect it to be easy getting rid of the cabal, as I like to call them.

Very true.

Don't take my skepticism as a nod to the dems. I just don't believe Nunes.

The Senate judiciary is doing the real work if there is any.

Ok i can handle that position. I just think once again Iggy is spot on in his response to you.

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: luthier

You think all that drama releasing it, and they would if it wasnt accurate?

All avenues run through AG Sessions now for action. If he doesn't put in place a Special Prosecutor, what we think won't matter one damn bit. (imo)

It doesnt need one. The ig is already working on it.

originally posted by: Jefferton

originally posted by: Thorneblood
a reply to: wakeupstupid

I wager you lot are gonna be really disappointed.

Oh, haven't you heard? This is the end of the Democratic party.

Lol, I just peed.

You're right, they don't have the integrity to do the right thing.

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: luthier

You think all that drama releasing it, and they would if it wasnt accurate?

I do.

Just look at all the people who believe it with no evidence.

Has nuns seen the fish application?

I think I have seen you believing the dossier for months with NO evidence, right?

Really?

I don't think so.

At most I have said it hasn't been completely disproven.

My impression I suppose based on the trend of your comments, IDK?

In a way of understanding the Dem's-media state of mind, is to consider how with older generations being stubborn is considered a virtue. They have no capacity to change their minds, it's ingrained.

Lie, deny, justify...it's a well-established pattern.

We with enter the last phase when it's said that this extraordinary action of tampering with the election thru illegal surveillance was justified "because Trump", him being so bad and evil....it was alright to subvert the constitution.

originally posted by: Greven


You and the memo neglect the fact that Republicans first sought out Fusion GPS for opposition research on Trump from October 2015 until May 2016. Democrats came calling in April 2016.

That's just evidence that the GOP (RNC) + DNC are the same political animal. Proponents of the Two Party System ought best to try to act like hell that never even happened.

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

It's the house. They say outrageous things.

Why was the Senate against releasing it? How many senators were talking about how this is the worst thing America has ever faced?

Also Maybe it's a hail mary? Maybe the trend is so bad with republican areas flipping they are throwing up the ball.

Mayne they are afraid Trump's people can't lie together like with hope hicks and trump jr...

I really don't know anything except I don't trust Devin Nunes any more than Schiff and that is pretty bad.

I heard there was a Democratic memo too. If this is correct, why hasn't it been released??