The Memo Release Thread

originally posted by: queenofswords
a reply to: DBCowboy

Sometimes it feels that way.

I don't think confidence, trust, respect, whatever you want to call it will ever be restored back into the American psyche until we see someone BIG in handcuffs doing a perp walk beside someone in a jacket with F B I letters on it.

BHO, HRC, JC, SR, JC, JB, LL, (I can think of several more).

Exactly.

The "Players" will keep on doing what they've always done and to hell with the rest of us.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

I wonder if this "named U.S. person" was the name that was edited out...

Anyone know whose name should be there?

Good question. I wondered that myself. But I don't know who...

originally posted by: introvert
As I said, more questions than answers. This memo is a dud, other than the GOP had the opportunity to make several points crystal clear, but they did not.

I wonder why.

The minds behind this memo INTENDED to throw a dud. Nunes undermining it by editing it, Democrats acting like they couldn't just send over the unedited version that they approved for Trump's review, Trump authorizing the release of the edited version when he could have asked for the unedited one because of the fuss the Democrats raised...they all undermined it to bring us this dud...

...the vague wording, the shifting of all the blame on Christopher Steele, the clearing of the FBI of any *intent* to deceive the FISA court...

It's an effective and direct hit, even if it is a dud.

a reply to: introvert

So, yeah, semantics and other games. Okay. Gotcha.

But we both know this memo was never meant to make a complete case against anyone. We both know there is more, including the Inspector General's report. So we'll see what comes.

a reply to: DBCowboy

I agree.

I've always trusted the FBI, but not anymore. It is sad because I think not all that long ago they deserved that trust. The Justice Dept. I've always held as suspect.

It's like they don't even get that their behavior is as transparent as it is. Don't realize how fast voters are waking up.

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: MotherMayEye

I wonder if this "named U.S. person" was the name that was edited out...

Anyone know whose name should be there?

Good question. I wondered that myself. But I don't know who...

It really makes a difference. What if it should read like this:

"...The initial FISA application notes Steele was working for Barack Obama..." I mean, Perkins Coie does represent Obama. They were the ones that traveled by plane to retrieve his birth certificate in 2011.

OR what if that should read like this:

"...The initial FISA application notes Steele was working for Melania Trump..."

I mean...the omission of that name could be earth shattering....or nothing too earth shattering.

I hate this memo, to be honest. It's an asshoIe.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

It really makes a difference.

Exactly my thought, for the same reason... although I put a Republican's name in there instead of Melania's. But your point is well taken and I agree.

It also surprised me because reports said names would not be redacted. It must be earth shattering to someone. But would it be earth shattering to us?

I hate this memo, to be honest. It's an asshoIe.

It is. In the legal sense, it's nothing. Not worth the paper it's written on. But I believe it serves a different purpose. As some would say, it's "redpilling." Conditioning the public -- at best. It's just an introduction or preface so to speak to the IG report to come later. And perhaps much much more. My thought is that someone is trying to avoid overloading the public with information/evidence all at once, and this is the beginning of the public release of massive amounts of information/evidence. After a little time to process and digest this, we'll get more. Probably the Dem rebuttal memo to this one first... then the Senate Memo... or who knows?

I'm watching and waiting and hoping and praying.

I personally find it amusing so many people are fixated on a memo.. Trump.. wiretapping a campaign.. and making such a huge deal of it, after the landslide that was the NSA spying on U.S. citizens was revealed. And dismissed. Ignored.. who cares.. big deal.. people who have nothing to hide should have nothing to fear.

Double-standards abound. Your hero? Then it's a massive deal. The PEOPLE? Eh.. who cares. So many deluded and misguided people. Trump is no hero.. he is a billionaire who couldn't care less about you.. peons with thousands or even gasp.. 10s of thousands in savings. Your world is not his world. You don't register, no matter what he said or promises. He might kiss your baby, but he doens't give two craps about you.

The NSA does something so many multitudes worse.. and yet this memo somehow garners more attention.. more angst.. more hate.. more division among citizens. It's sadly ironic.

Wiretap YOU? Well.. you should be a good citizen.. doing nothing wrong, so not a big deal. If you are worried, it's your fault. Trump? Cardinal sin.. punishable by life in prison. Pathetic.

I couldn't care less if Trump was tapped. I think ALL politicians should be tapped. YOUR phone messages, texts, social media, phone conversations.. everything you do.. is being recorded and stored in a mile-long data center in Utah. I know it well.. I provided IT support while it was being built. Any computer we sent to the construction site was never seen again. And you are worried about a billionaire being tapped? America has lost its sense of identity, and its citizens are pawns to the ridiculous games of billionaires and political powerhouses. This memo has garnered as much or more attention as the NSA spying on citizens. People's attention has been diverted from what should be important, to stupid games politicians and rich people play.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

And per the usual...we get vague words that anyone can seize on:

essential (adjective): absolutely necessary; extremely important

Was it absolutely necessary or just extremely important? They know they are playing games with us...acting like they are giving us something but giving us nothing at all.

I've been thinking about this. The way this has all been presented to the public is really bugging me because it is so contrived and force-fed in such a way as to lead us to a certain conclusion. To say that The Memo means "nothing" is both correct and incorrect. It's correct to the extent that in and of itself, it has no legal force, is written and presented by one political side, and is not substantiated with any evidence whatsoever. However, it's incorrect to the extent that The Memo was never meant to prove anything beyond a reasonable doubt. It was never really more than the (hopefully) beginning of the public release of information and evidence... not the end.

I suspect this is the "redpilling" that Q and others have talked about.... and why I see "mind control" tactics being used. Rightly or wrongly, there is a perception that the masses are not prepared to hear how corrupt politicians are. I think that's ridiculous. Everyone knows there is corruption; we just don't know the full extent of it. But those who do believe it also believe that the people need to be prepared for the truth... we need to be "redpilled"... or else we'll riot and rebel and generally create chaos and mayhem... as if we could cause any more damage than the corrupt already have!

So I'm watching. The corruption needs to be cleaned up and of course it will be messy. When bad people do bad things, good people really have no good options. And we have to expect that more bad people will take advantage of the efforts of the good people to exploit the situation to their benefit. It's not enough to root out the corrupt and the criminal, we have to be just as diligent in how we do it, and what we replace the corrupt and criminal with.

I think that's our greatest challenge right now.

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: MotherMayEye

I wonder if this "named U.S. person" was the name that was edited out...

Anyone know whose name should be there?

Good question. I wondered that myself. But I don't know who...

My first thought was
"We Don't Like To Say His Name"

a reply to: annabanana

My first thought was
"We Don't Like To Say His Name"

Hmmmm....

It was rather odd that the House committee refused to let the Senate committee read The Memo before its release to the public. I'm still wondering about that.

originally posted by: Boadicea
Rightly or wrongly, there is a perception that the masses are not prepared to hear how corrupt politicians are. I think that's ridiculous. Everyone knows there is corruption; we just don't know the full extent of it. But those who do believe it also believe that the people need to be prepared for the truth... we need to be "redpilled"... or else we'll riot and rebel and generally create chaos and mayhem... as if we could cause any more damage than the corrupt already have!

I think it's ridiculous, too. Plus, I just don't think we are ever going to get the truth about the full extent of the corruption anyway.

The memo is so watered-down as far as exposing corruption in the FBI. I know there's so much worse.

I want to know if those were FBI agents that Patrick Knowlton saw in Fort Marcy Park a couple of hours before Vince Foster's body was found there. They used the same technique of intimidation that the FBI later used with Knowlton.

originally posted by: annabanana

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: MotherMayEye

I wonder if this "named U.S. person" was the name that was edited out...

Anyone know whose name should be there?

Good question. I wondered that myself. But I don't know who...

My first thought was
"We Don't Like To Say His Name"

That's an interesting thought.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: introvert
As I said, more questions than answers. This memo is a dud, other than the GOP had the opportunity to make several points crystal clear, but they did not.

I wonder why.

The minds behind this memo INTENDED to throw a dud. Nunes undermining it by editing it, Democrats acting like they couldn't just send over the unedited version that they approved for Trump's review, Trump authorizing the release of the edited version when he could have asked for the unedited one because of the fuss the Democrats raised...they all undermined it to bring us this dud...

...the vague wording, the shifting of all the blame on Christopher Steele, the clearing of the FBI of any *intent* to deceive the FISA court...

It's an effective and direct hit, even if it is a dud.

It's effective and direct only as propaganda. It's meant to cast more doubt on the FBI and the investigation.

The question is: why?

It does not serve a purpose to do such a thing unless you want to continue to keep people misinformed and propagandized, just in case something big comes down the pike that casts doubt on Trump and Co.

In my opinion, this is the big setup before a potential storm in order to create the mechanism for damage control.

After reading through all your insightful contributions and opposing viewpoints, and reading the memo myself I’ve come to this current understanding.

There really wasn’t anything of significance in the actual memo that wasn’t already reported on. As we all got dragged through the circus that was it’s release we conversed, fought and debated over the memo, it’s contents and the ultimate outcome of it. And it turns out to be a bit of a letdown.

Now, it does mean something. The right has crossed a line that they can’t come back from. They have publicly and formally accused many top DC politicians and entities of some seriously unethical and unlawful behavior. And we will have to watch how it all plays out over the next 3 years.

Where it all goes from here, who knows. The OIG report I guess is the next “phase” of it all. I, myself, am going to try and just wait for it’s release rather than play the guessing game again. But...the only unanswered question I have regarding the memo is...

Why all the drama behind it when most of the pertinent information was already leaked? What purpose did that serve? Was it to drag the Dems through the mud for as long as they could? To distract us from something else? Maybe negotiation leverage for the government budget showdown? Why now and why so dramatic?

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: annabanana

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: MotherMayEye

I wonder if this "named U.S. person" was the name that was edited out...

Anyone know whose name should be there?

Good question. I wondered that myself. But I don't know who...

My first thought was
"We Don't Like To Say His Name"

That's an interesting thought.

Wasn't it
"No Name" who hand-delivered it to JC?

a reply to: Boadicea

So, yeah, semantics and other games. Okay. Gotcha.

I don't care what you want to call it. It's still the truth.

But we both know this memo was never meant to make a complete case against anyone. We both know there is more, including the Inspector General's report. So we'll see what comes.

Ok. So then what purpose did this serve? See my post above.

This was pure propaganda directed at a certain group of people and it is working as intended. It's amazing to me that so many people claim to be enlightened and aware, yet fall for propaganda so easily, especially on this website.

a reply to: Assassin82

Why all the drama behind it when most of the pertinent information was already leaked? What purpose did that serve? Was it to drag the Dems through the mud for as long as they could? To distract us from something else? Maybe negotiation leverage for the government budget showdown? Why now and why so dramatic?

Bingo. There is no logical reason for them to produce this memo, considering that it did not prove anything whatsoever, unless they are trying to cast doubt on what may be coming.

I wonder if the OIG report is going to be a dud itself.

I wonder if Mueller is about to blow this issue wide open.

We shall see.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

The memo is so watered-down as far as exposing corruption in the FBI. I know there's so much worse.

Yup. So this is either an attempt to gently ease the people into understanding the full extent of the corruption... or to throw out some crumbs and pretend like they're dealing with the problem... or it's one corrupt faction cracking down on another corrupt faction for their own corrupt ends...

Whole lot of fuss over a memo that is only a brief summary of findings from a Congressional investigation. THEY are obviously terrified.

Thing is, by all accounts there's more yet to come. We've only just begun here. Mueller and team will carry on unimpeded for now. Phase 2 of the intelligence committee investigation and reportedly Senate judiciary committee results.

The facade concealing corruption at the highest levels has been cracked open giving us a peek inside. They need to bring the whole thing down so it ALL is exposed.

Why anyone, anywhere is opposed to any of this is strange to me. Seems like some people are fine with these egregious abuses of power as long as it fits within the objectives of their agendas.