Hannity Confirms Dossier was used to obtain the FISA warrant

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: Grambler

That sure doesnt spread good faith man

What, telling someone not to call others names and insult them for being wrong, only to have to finally admit they are wrong is not good faith?

Did I call him a name?

I dont think so. I was just commenting on why personal attacks should be avoided, because you may just be wrong and it will look bad.

Where did I admit I was wrong?

Who cares about you, Pissgate has boomeranged for truth and justice. The only urine soaked sheets are the ones draped across Obama's legacy. This is bigger than deepthroat.

Sure.

Whatever trips your trigger, cowboy.

What does the Judicial branch think about law enforcement using a state actor to concoct phony PC for a FISA warrant? The obama campaign helped finance the dossier, and quite possibly the FBI did as well. That should be an insurmountable problem for the FBI and the former head of the executive branch.

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: AboveBoard
If the dossier was used even in part to get a fisa warrant to spy on a political oponents team as the info in the OP suggests may be the case, then yes its a huge deal.

Again, it was known paid opposition research,and comey admitted months after the fisa warrant that the dossier was salacious and unverified.

Steele being the real deal is irrelevant.

The head of the FBI admits the dossier was unverified. If it was used even in part for a fisa warrant against Obamas political opponent, it is the weaponization of the intel community, and the biggest scandal i have seen in my life time.

If and if.

I've posted how other countries were sending our IC information regarding Trump's inner circle and Russia long before he was even chosen as the nominee.

Let's not forget Papadopolous blabbing and Australian Intelligence passing along what he said as part of what could have gone into the FISA warrant.

If the contents of the dossier were used (or some portion of it), or even its existence as created from a credible and concerned former MI-6 agent, to meet the criteria necessary to obtain a FISA warrant, it certainly wasn't the ONLY thing brought to the attention of the court. Nor do we know in what manner it was presented - most likely as something that needed to be investigated.

The point of a wiretap is to obtain evidence, and the point of the FISA court is to insure that some due process has happened prior to performing wiretapps. It is very common for such warrants to be issued, and the IC requesting the warrant knows what it needs to have in place in order to be approved.

Approval of a FISA application requires the court find probable cause that the target of the surveillance be a "foreign power" or an "agent of a foreign power", and that the places at which surveillance is requested is used or will be used by that foreign power or its agent.[2][19] In addition, the court must find that the proposed surveillance meet certain "minimization requirements" for information pertaining to U.S. persons.[20] Depending on the type of surveillance, approved orders or extensions of orders may be active for 90 days, 120 days, or a year.[21]

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a reply to: AboveBoard

how many of those fancy fisa warrants are declined each year?
how often is one declined twice before being issued?

a reply to: AboveBoard

Why is it so hard to find out what event(s) triggered the issuance of a FISA spy warrant? The American people OWN the government. It is OUR government. All this guesswork and speculation shouldn't be occurring.

I remember a few weeks ago when Sen. Graham all but confirmed that the dossier was used as a pretext for the FISA warrant... then within a few hours the headlines started pouring out about Papadopoulos.

What will the distraction be this time?

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: AboveBoard

So the story is now shifting from the dossier was not used for fisa warrants to, ok it was only used for part of them, and steele is a super cool respected guy!

Steeles respectability is absolutely irrelevant.

Comey admitted months after the fisa warrant that the dossier was salacious and unverified.

On top of that, they knew it was paid opposition research by the dems and hillarys team.

If they used this unverified paid oppo research for any part of a fisa warrant it is a disgusting abuse of power.

What "shifting story??"

CNN reported back in April of 2017 that the dossier had been used towards obtaining the FISA warrant.

It is also true that multiple nations gave our IC intelligence regarding Trump and his inner circle as far back as 2015.

Maybe all this smoke was the reason the warrant was granted. Maybe if the shoe was on the other team's foot you would be 100% behind the FISA warrant because "Hillary = Evil?"

This is a huge story.

Stay tuned.

All shall be revealed. (Mueller just added a new prosecutor with expertise in cyber crimes...)

Peace,
AB

a reply to: AboveBoard

If trump uses a paid for oppo research dossier that his party pays for that he knows is unverified to get warrants to spy on any political oppnent including hillary, I would be furious and condmen it just as much.

The number one reason I voted for trump was to show the corruption in washington, the intel community and media.

Ending the corruption is far more important than anty one president.

In fact, if trump broke the law, I have bno problem with him being charged.

But that doesnt let the Obama admin off the hook for using an unveirfied oppo research dossier paid by his own party to psy on his oppoinents, which is a far greater crime than anything trump could do with russia.

originally posted by: Konduit
I remember a few weeks ago when Sen. Graham all but confirmed that the dossier was used as a pretext for the FISA warrant... then within a few hours the headlines started pouring out about Papadopoulos.

What will the distraction be this time?

Oprah.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: AboveBoard

Why is it so hard to find out what event(s) triggered the issuance of a FISA spy warrant? The American people OWN the government. It is OUR government. All this guesswork and speculation shouldn't be occurring.

Maybe because it is a secret court? Maybe revealing everything that went into the warrant would endanger classified sources and methods?

There are legitimate reasons, and because we aren't privy to the whole picture folks can paint it as an illegitimate process due to their beliefs regarding the raw intelligence known as "the dossier " but WE DONT KNOW. Mueller knows. And maybe someday we will find out.

I get not wanting to trust a secret court, but classified info and a need for secrecy while pursuing criminal activities is part of the deal here. Hannity has got nothing that wasn't reported last year, he's just trying to weaponized it now as the noose closes in. IMO of course.

a reply to: AboveBoard


The owners of the government would have more faith in these FISA spy warrants, if we knew of the GOOD that they've delivered. Terrorists, Theft Rings, Molesters, etc.. caught due to a FISA. Is that info shared with the public?

a reply to: Grambler

Fine.

If five or six countries gave our IC warnings regarding Hillary and someone from her campaign drunkenly Spilled the beans about a crime involving Hillary's campaign and that info was given to our IC, and it related to a foreign nation hacking the RNC's emails in order to weaponized them for the purpose of helping Hillary win and attacking Trump, and she and her campaign aided that foreign nation to better utilize their data via a data marketing company called, let's say, Bainbridge Analitica, owned by, let's say, Soros, and then when Trump hired oppo research the company's sub-contractor discovered evidence from his sources that corroborated the theme of this criminal cyber attack against America as well as some bad financial dealings and that it was possible Hillary might be being blackmailed to help this foreign hostile actor, or that she was knowingly cooperating with them against our own country, and that her campaign manager was known to have strong and shady ties to this foreign hostile actor, along with several others in her campaign...maybe just maybe a FISA warrant somewhere along the line would be warranted??

Granted I'm being a bit sarcastic here, but it blows me away that there are such alternate realities about what happened with Trump.

We will know more soon. I hope!! Then, when the picture finally clears, we can better judge what happened.

originally posted by: AboveBoard

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: AboveBoard

So the story is now shifting from the dossier was not used for fisa warrants to, ok it was only used for part of them, and steele is a super cool respected guy!

Steeles respectability is absolutely irrelevant.

Comey admitted months after the fisa warrant that the dossier was salacious and unverified.

On top of that, they knew it was paid opposition research by the dems and hillarys team.

If they used this unverified paid oppo research for any part of a fisa warrant it is a disgusting abuse of power.

What "shifting story??"

CNN reported back in April of 2017 that the dossier had been used towards obtaining the FISA warrant.

This is a huge story.

AB

Yet, even as recently as last month, Conservative publications were asking if the Dossier was partially responsible for issuance of the FISA warrant.

This www.nationalreview.com... is why the dossier-FISA subject causes the public's eyes to glaze over. When the indictments come, the explaination must simple and easy for Americans to relate to.

a reply to: Grambler

PS: I think history will show Trump to be one of, if not The, most corrupt presidents we've ever had.

If we are still a free nation after all is said and done, I'm betting history will prove me right.

Strange days, these are...

a reply to: AboveBoard
Papadopalous did not admit any crime.

he said a russian said they had emails about hillary.

This is something people were say could have happened for months given that hillarys unsecure server could have been hacked, including guccifer claiming he hacked hillarys server.

So this claim proved nothing.

As far as other countries telling Obama about trumps russia connections, show me link about what you are talking about.

Regardless, your story is irrelevant.

If even in that situation, trump would use his paid for oppo firms dossier that was admittedly unverified to spy on his opponents, and the leak info about that to the media, it would be appalling.

originally posted by: AboveBoard
a reply to: Grambler

PS: I think history will show Trump to be one of, if not The, most corrupt presidents we've ever had.

If we are still a free nation after all is said and done, I'm betting history will prove me right.

Strange days, these are...

If Obama used that dossier for a Fisa warrant, Trump will have a long long long way to go to overcome that corruption.

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: AboveBoard

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: AboveBoard

So the story is now shifting from the dossier was not used for fisa warrants to, ok it was only used for part of them, and steele is a super cool respected guy!

Steeles respectability is absolutely irrelevant.

Comey admitted months after the fisa warrant that the dossier was salacious and unverified.

On top of that, they knew it was paid opposition research by the dems and hillarys team.

If they used this unverified paid oppo research for any part of a fisa warrant it is a disgusting abuse of power.

What "shifting story??"

CNN reported back in April of 2017 that the dossier had been used towards obtaining the FISA warrant.

This is a huge story.

AB

Yet, even as recently as last month, Conservative publications were asking if the Dossier was partially responsible for issuance of the FISA warrant.

This www.nationalreview.com... is why the dossier-FISA subject causes the public's eyes to glaze over. When the indictments come, the explaination must simple and easy for Americans to relate to.

If Trump and his campaign have done what I think they have done, as well as the Trump Organization, the dossier will only be a small part of the story.

It's amazing that the reliability of the dossier is completely dependent on which news source one chooses. It's kind of scary actually, like we've somehow created a dual divergent reality...but this precedes Trump. I blame folks like Newt "feelings equal truth" Gingrich and his role in the 90's to fan the flames of partisanship, as well as our "swipe to the right" culture that makes us only hear what we want to hear in our social media feeds. That's why I still come to ATS, to get a peek at what other people are seeing in their reality. I hope somewhere in there we will all finally agree on proven, factual truth regarding Trump/Russia.

originally posted by: AboveBoard

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: AboveBoard

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: AboveBoard

So the story is now shifting from the dossier was not used for fisa warrants to, ok it was only used for part of them, and steele is a super cool respected guy!

Steeles respectability is absolutely irrelevant.

Comey admitted months after the fisa warrant that the dossier was salacious and unverified.

On top of that, they knew it was paid opposition research by the dems and hillarys team.

If they used this unverified paid oppo research for any part of a fisa warrant it is a disgusting abuse of power.

What "shifting story??"

CNN reported back in April of 2017 that the dossier had been used towards obtaining the FISA warrant.

This is a huge story.

AB

Yet, even as recently as last month, Conservative publications were asking if the Dossier was partially responsible for issuance of the FISA warrant.

This www.nationalreview.com... is why the dossier-FISA subject causes the public's eyes to glaze over. When the indictments come, the explaination must simple and easy for Americans to relate to.

If Trump and his campaign have done what I think they have done, as well as the Trump Organization, the dossier will only be a small part of the story.
....

I blame folks like Newt "feelings equal truth" Gingrich and his role in the 90's to fan the flames of partisanship, as well as our "swipe to the right" culture that makes us only hear what we want to hear in our social media feeds.

So you dnt like feelings equal truth, but you are basing you opinion off of your feeling of what Trump may have done.

Thats fine.

But regardless of your feelings, if Obamas admin this dossier paid for by his party, that was admitted to be unverified by his own head of FBI to get warrants to spy on his opponent, then it shouldnt matter what you feel trump has done; that is a a huge abuse.

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: AboveBoard
a reply to: Grambler

PS: I think history will show Trump to be one of, if not The, most corrupt presidents we've ever had.

If we are still a free nation after all is said and done, I'm betting history will prove me right.

Strange days, these are...

If Obama used that dossier for a Fisa warrant, Trump will have a long long long way to go to overcome that corruption.

You are seeing "evil Obama" when if he had really wanted to stick it to Trump, Obama could have made sure it was known that Trump and his campaign were also under investigation and that they had intelligence regarding Trump on multiple levels, criminal and counter-intelligence. Instead, he and the FBI chose not to reveal this fact.

Again, if the dossier was used, it was seen as corroboration of intelligence given to our IC from multiple sources.

a reply to: Grambler

No. I'm basing what I'm saying on research I've done since Manafort joined Trump's campaign.

Nice smear.