Lula and Chavez to boost alliance

I think this has a direct connection to what another member has been saying. (The Division Bell) Although that member's work was deleted and put on global ignore.
The Division Bell was talking about Russian/Communism influence still trying to pose a threat to USA by outsourcing it to people like moammar of Libya, Hussein, etcetera. Or something of that sort.

Anyways, The Division Bell layed out a good reasoning for this, it's a shame the thread isn't here anymore.

This news article is directly related to what he/she was saying about Chavez attempting to become a dictator.

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( news.bbc.co.uk... )

Lula and Chavez to boost alliance

Brazil's president opens talks with his Venezuelan counterpart in Caracas shortly with the aim of cementing what both sides call a strategic alliance.

Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva and Hugo Chavez are expected to sign joint oil and energy projects and discuss the sale of Brazilian fighter aircraft.

Washington expressed concern last week at President Chavez's plans to buy guns and helicopters from Russia.

Mr Chavez is trying to enlist Brazil's support for a South American oil giant.

This would bring together state oil companies from across the continent.

Monday's agreements will not go as far as that.

However, the indication that the two leaders will sign deals for Venezuela's PDVSA to help build and run a refinery in Brazil, and for Brazil's Petrobras to drill for oil in Venezuela, suggests that the Brazilians have moved in President Chavez's direction.

Arms deals

Venezuela's interest in buying Tucano fighter planes from Brazil will also be on the agenda.

In his weekly television show on Sunday, Mr Chavez said the United States had repeatedly delayed the delivery of spare parts for Venezuela's existing F-16 fighters, so he was going to have to look elsewhere.

He dismissed the fears expressed by Washington last week over Venezuela's plans to buy Russian rifles and helicopters as ridiculous.

The two left-wing Latin American leaders have not always seen eye to eye on regional issues.

But both Venezuela and Brazil have referred to this meeting as an opportunity to turn into concrete reality what they call their strategic alliance.

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Personally it looks to me like Chavez has already put the pawns in place and is now using the bishop, queen, and tower. (Chess analogy)

Chavez chooses an oppertune time to do so: the American government is pretty much occupied with stirring up , or solving, trouble in Nkorea, Afghanistan and the whole middle-east.

Howeber, being an oil country and in the usa backyard, Chavez remains a target for hired killers....

Recent Headlines for Chavez:
1. Castro Warns U.S. Against Plot on Chávez
a.) Fidel Castro warned the United States against plotting to kill his ally President Hugo Chávez of Venezuela.
2. Venezuela-Russia Arms Deals Troubles U.S.
a.) Russia reportedly has agreed to sell high performance MiG jet fighters and AK-47 rifles to Venezuela.
b.) Hugo Chavez, has said he is neutral in the conflict in Colombia between the government and two leftist rebel groups, known by their Spanish initials FARC and ELN.
c.) The Washington Times reported Thursday that Russia has agreed to sell 100,000 AK-47 rifles in Venezuela.
3. Chavez, Lula Da Silva Sign Trade Pacts
4. Chavez Rejects Arms Criticism by U.S. 'Terrorist State' (Click Here

Goood thing! Nations defending their soveignty and the rights of their workers against foreign corporate interests... who can blame that? The US would do the same if China or the EU would be the world's first superpower, so what's the deal with all this anti-communism paranoia? Most of you neo-conservatives are afraid of the so-called New World Order taking over Bushworld, so how hard it is to understand the same kind of attitudes from other countries towards your nation?

Originally posted by Echtelion
Goood thing! Nations defending their soveignty and the rights of their workers against foreign corporate interests... who can blame that?

I dont have a problem with that, but does the world need another dictator, they always seem to take the wrong approach to everything.

Originally posted by Echtelion
Most of you neo-conservatives are afraid of the so-called New World Order taking over Bushworld.

LOL! I'm liberal and I hate Bush, just search some of my posts, though I haven't posted in awhile because I've been angry bout the election. Just saw another propaganda ad as I was posting this, it was about social security reform. Awww, propaganda, I love it. I would love to describe the ad in detail but it is something that can't be described in words. It's art, the art of controlling simple peasants. I love being a subordinate, and so do my American peers. We love it! Hail Bushler! Hail Bushler! Clack! Clack! Clack!

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Well I see it this way some countries does not always have to ask permission to US to do their business, Venezuela and Brazil are two South American countries it seems fair that they will look for what is best for their countries and their people.

Well if they become a thorn in the US eye is because they are not giving US the attention it seeks.

Now what people seems to forget is that Brazil is using nuclear power for electricity and that US is already trying to get some inspectors to check Brazil's reactors.

Humm................will Brazil become the next Axis of evil?

Plump legs and plump feet make her slippers almost bust, her skirt is so short you can see the lining of her pany hoes, the skimpy skirt looks to be old and tattered with melted chocolate stains, and as you see her you think, "human garbage, you disgusting filth". Then she lifts her shirt to tempt you and then you notice the tatoo'ed logo's all over her, she is a corporate whore, one with the audacity not to cover her veil of disguise. Corporate whores are suppose to be classy, sophisticated, and have their nose in the air when looking upon you. Not this corporate whore, this one is different, she casually flaunts her plumpness boldly. She is unique, she is in power, she is..........dare I say, the Bush administration.

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Why is everybody so up in arms against Chavez exactly? Dictator this, dictator that- Venezuela is the oldest and most successful democracy in South America- even to the point that the citizens of Venezuela restored Chavez after an American-backed coup attempt in 2002.

Oh I forgot, Venezuela is America's largest non-arab oil supplier, and our fourth over all, isn't it? Maybe that is why we feel the need to stick our nose in their business.

Venezuela's relationship with Cuba is very bright- it has taught me something valuable about creative international trade which I fully intend to take with me if and when I make my run for congress (probably in 2016). Venezuela needed something it couldn't really afford. Cuba had no money. Venezuela traded oil to cuba for the services of teachers and medical professionals. That's mutually beneficial, that's smart, and it's not a threat to America in any way.
You can't just say "everyone who deals with Castro is evil" without considering what sort of dealings they are having. Afterall, Churchill and FDR worked with Stalin, but their goals in working with Stalin make all the difference in how we view that relationship.

Venezuela's arms deals with Russia and Brazil are perfectly legitimate as well. Venezuela isn't threatening anybody, but they need the ability to defend themselves. Columbian forces have recently violated the Venezuelan border while fighting FARC. Do you think Venezuela wants to become the next Cambodia? They don't need somebody else's civil war spilling over their border, so they need the military ability to keep both Rebels and foreign governments out.
The only way Venezuela can become a threat to American security is if America keeps messing with them. If that happens their relationship with Brazil and Russia will lead to them becoming a full member of BRIC and they may accept the stationing of Chinese or Russian forces in their country, possibly including nukes just like Russia has stationed in Iran. The obvious answer is to be friendly with them and respect their elected government.

Originally posted by The Vagabond
it has taught me something valuable about creative international trade which I fully intend to take with me if and when I make my run for congress (probably in 2016).

If i'm in California at that time, I'll be the first to vote for ya. I hope to see ya there when I win in 2020, I'll wait til I'm 35. I'll be an educated professional by that time, and my musings here will be absurd to me in 2020, I may laugh at myself or applaud myself. But one thing is certain, we are doing our best to deny ignorance! Applause to both of us.

Originally posted by TheBigD
If i'm in California at that time, I'll be the first to vote for ya. I hope to see ya there when I win in 2020, I'll wait til I'm 35. I'll be an educated professional by that time, and my musings here will be absurd to me in 2020, I may laugh at myself or applaud myself. But one thing is certain, we are doing our best to deny ignorance! Applause to both of us.

Hey, you've got politics on the brain, great. Let me run something by you, because there's a little political movement brewing here on ATS perhaps.

Not all the details have been hammered out yet and we're still waiting to talk to a Mod about this, but EastCoastKid and I are planning to start a movement for ATS members to bombard a congressman with letters pushing for action on Iraq, probably Henry Hyde (chairman of the committee on international relations).
The goal we've talked about so far is fairly moderate I think. We understand that setting a date has been rejected, so we just want congress to get an estimate from the pentagon of how many Iraqi troops it will take to secure Iraq, and we want a resolution saying that a US pullout will begin the minute that goal is reached.

There will be a thread about this fairly soon where we will be encouraging ATS members to write, call, or make appointments if possible to congressman Hyde's office to pressure him to champion this idea. If you're politically minded and agree with the idea, this would be a great way to get your feet wet in the grass roots arena by talking to ATS members you know as well as real life friends and family about participating in this.

I will help, you can get publicity with CNN if you tell them in advance of the estimated support you can get on this, all you have to do is get in touch with their news tip-line. (just a suggestion)

This is a genius idea, I love it. I'm not gonna put my name on anything though, but I can help in other ways.



I know of few congressmen I can contact, but in no way will I affiliate myself with this, but I can discuss to them what you are saying. oh wait, ****, my political contact in Texas was "redistricted" and the other one was voted out. Then the third one I've only met once and doesn't even know my name by now, Dennis Kucinich. (Emphasising the irony of Republican leadership in Texas and elsewhere, such as the illegal redistricting in Texas)

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That sucks, I just realized my contacts are out of business. I met them on a Presidential Classroom tour and then worked on some of their campaigns and was in regular contact with them while they held an office.

No worries, I appreciate your willingness to pull strings if they hadn't been severed, but I think We The People can handle this. It will take a little doing, but it is doable.

My dream come true, if this just went stunningly well, would be to have a massive internet based campaign against a republican congressman in a leadership position, backed up by local lobbying to moderate republican congressmen.
I'm a realist- I doubt this will work, but just imagine if it did? What if we could get a large enough movement going to cause an insurrection by moderate republicans in congress and force the hawks to find a happy medium with the left-wing doves who they currently ignore?

If successful, it would become the subject of study by so-called scholars in the political sciences.



I will participate and send letters though.