Alien Cloaking Technology - an insight.

a reply to: yuppa

a reply to: Phage

'morning Phage, 'morning yuppa,

The idea of turning the visible invisible is not really the concept I'm trying to get across here guys.

What I'm try to get across is the concept of turning the invisible visible and what this implies. I was hoping, by keeping the opening post simple, readers would see the implications and maybe explore them. There are smarter people here on ATS the me.

If we assume that the starting point is what we can see, our thinking follows that course and we get ideas like "meta" materials, cameras and bending light to disguise what we are trying to hide. Our thinking also goes towards RADAR, infrared detectors and so on, which are extensions of our senses.

That thinking is human centric point of view.

There is another point of view.

And that is simply that there is a lot more to this world that is all around us that we don't perceive.

The concept of cloaking to make the invisible visible is a technology that goes far beyond "meta" materials and cameras.

Try to assume that "invisible to us" is normal for them and they know how to make themselves visible to us.

I don't like YouTube, however, for illustrative purposes.



Think about that video of the shiny thing in the background and the SpaceX rocket exploding on the launchpad. If that shiny thing is indeed a UFO and they were the cause oif the explosion, the question is "how did they do it? and, more importantly "Why did they do it?".

I would suggest that they did not jump through wormholes or teleport, or any other exotic technology. They simply flew past and did what they thought was neccessary.

The real point of the matter is this; if it is a UFO, then they exposed themselves in front of a whole bunch of cameras for just a few moments.

Why . . . .

What that launch was really about, such as what was so potentially threatening that the rocket had to be destroyed is not what I am getting at.

Appearing is taking responsibility. That is saying "We destroyed your rocket".

To appear is to make a statement in the language of appearence.

That is disclosure.

They disclosed themselves . . . . . .


(For screen readers the bold text in this post is a sentence that reads: turning the invisible visible is disclosure.)

a reply to: xenon129

Your an interesting researcher xenon129.

If flying saucers are operating in a different dimension, I believe that no energy from this dimension would be able to pass into the craft.

I think your right there, but it is odd. Electromagnetics and thought can't get through. But emotional energy can. But that may be via intermediaries perhaps, but I suspect emotional energies can go straight through.

Now what is a "dimension"?

Perhaps we need a common definition . . . . .

I'm not up on tangled strings and quantums, and like to understand on a basis I can use for practical purposes.

So I count length, width and height as three dimensions, add motion for the fourth dimension. The sum of the four gives a past-present-future "linear time".

Then, so I understand, there are three more dimensions I cannot work within unaided.

I don't know what those three dimensions are, but I understand that these three dimensions don't correspond with the occult or spiritual world views of higher planes and such.

Just to give an idea that I have to figure most things out for myself here's a snippit of conversation arising out of what those three extra dimensions are in relation to my 4 dimensional consciousness.

" What is "solid" (my christian name)?"

Me: draws a blank and doesn't know, wonders to self if I'll find out shortly.

"That is not for you. "

End conversation.

So where ever "solid" fits into dimensions, it is perhaps a bit too complicated for me.

"Greys" I can find occassionally, and they seem to be limited to the four dimensions of length, width, height and motion. I suspect they know more about time then we perhaps do.

With no other energy interference other than what is inside of the craft, this would heighten the aliens conscious ability, making them super psychic.

Probably would do, I think so too from experience with "intrusions" and attacks.

Additionally, I've once seen greys use human (twin?) females as an intermediary in their telepathy. At the time I thought it a tactical communication thing, no grey/grey psychism over distance to get intercepted. The other advantage would be the background noise of human thoughts broadcast by the masses.

It is probably just me, but I find in practice that it is very rare for direct ET to human psychism, intermediaries are employed mostly as far as I can tell. Projections, humans, manipulation of energetic forms and so on.

Communications and the tactical aspects are interesting but how do you see the question of "dimensions" xenon129?

It is a word that is often used but I can't get my head around it sometimes.

they just phase shift.

a reply to: yuppa

"Phage shifting" ?

Is that what you meant by throttling?

originally posted by: Whatsthisthen
a reply to: yuppa

"Phage shifting" ?

Is that what you meant by throttling?

no. my ISP jumped the gun .

phase shifting is vibrating of particle to essentially go non corporeal/ out of phase. aka ghosting.

a reply to: yuppa

. . . . an innocent misunderstanding.

So, Phase Shifting.

Techopedia explains Phase Shift

It is important to understand that phase shift does not change the frequency of the signal. Two signals having a phase shift may or may not be of the same frequency. Phase shift simply means that the two signals are at different points of their cycle at a given time. Phase shift is measured as the angle (in degrees or radians) between two points on a circle at the same time, demonstrating the progress of each wave through its cycle. Phase shift is more easily observed in sine waves where there is a single fundamental frequency and no harmonics.

Source: Techopedia

Hmmm, I'm no techie, but my gut feeling is that would be a weapon.

If a UFO or alien did that to themselves, it might cause them harm by putting them out of "sync" with everything?

That is if everything is a wave form.

This is why science really sucks.

Waves, particles, wavicles, Oh my! (Sorry Phage couldn't resist)

And then there is tangled string theory . . . . .

Balls of yarn and kittens methinks

a reply to: yuppa

I thought it's what Frampton did with that talking guitar thing.

a reply to: yuppa

phase shifting is vibrating of particle to essentially go non corporeal/ out of phase. aka ghosting.

Now THAT does sound lethal.

But seriously, I can't say I've experienced anything like that, except maybe in the presence of "greys" (or whatever those things are).

This video from the thread UFOs, Black Triangles and Alleged Breakaway Civilisation, how that "light anomaly" was created is something I'm still scratching my head over.

There is something there just watching and it is creating something for people to see. There is also a sense they are showing off to create an impression. But that does not have the phase shift.

Maybe phase shifting is a human high tech thing?

Humans don't care what their energies do to the environment, then again nor do those "guys" who manipulate thunderstorms.

a reply to: Whatsthisthen

The odd thing that I find about ufos is their timing, even if nothing strange happens or coincidental doesn't happen. Maybe they are just faster then us...way faster.

Maybe they like to make people think they do things, even though who the hell knows what their capable off. Does kind of go with the Trickster and The Paranormal, an if your unfamiliar, it a book that I wouldn't mind finding the PDF of.

Sigh...

a reply to: Whatsthisthen

Well th ePhilidelphia experiment is a example of A phase shift. and yeah it was fatal to alot of th ecrew apparently,but...we have had years to perfect it now so I am sure its easier to do. Aliens have long since perfected it to help travel between th estars. think o fit as wormholes without th ewormhole. basically just brute forcing a portal.

And Within a field the creatures inside might be immune to th ePhase shifting.

a reply to: Specimen

'day Specimen.

The odd thing that I find about ufos is their timing, even if nothing strange happens or coincidental doesn't happen. Maybe they are just faster then us...way faster.

Maybe they like to make people think they do things, even though who the hell knows what their capable off. Does kind of go with the Trickster and The Paranormal, an if your unfamiliar, it a book that I wouldn't mind finding the PDF of.

Timing, yeah, it's like everyone knows more about us then we do.

But if one could sit back and if what your studying is unaware that one is watching, then prediction is probably easy.

It's odd to that in practice, UFOs, aliens, paranormal phenomenon, occult and spiritual all seem to be facets of the same thing. That they all use similar tactics and similar abilities(?), admittedly some seem way more advanced(?) then others. There is also the technology vs native ability question too.

In trying to make practical sense of things, I have found that studying what I observe and interact from the angle of the Language of Appearance as really helpful. They teach me a lot because they get in on the interactivity, we even have a few laughs and fun too.

One time when I was exploring the mechanics of the Science of Possession with non human friends and two young human ladies in the afterlife. That was with the view of the human condition of a spirit residing in a flesh and blood body.

I was eating my dinner that night, watching the television absentmindedly and I found myself eating my dinner in an order. Then a what the hell? moment dawned on me. One of the young ladies was telling me which item to eat and in what order. Roast chicken was her favorite. She was tasting what I tasted as I tasted it. Very enjoyable for her.

It was fun sharing my bodily senses for both of us. Then it was the celery in the salad that was the item of choice. I wondered about that and then the first young lady said; "She doesn't like celery." (referring to her also human friend)

It's the sense of humour and good natured playfulness that is important here. That I learned that it is possible for multiple Beings to share body sensations is secondary. In a way that is the basis of networking.

Nature Spirits are also very appearance orientated when dealing with humans. There are many precious things in this world that people don't know about and when they discover them, well, people tend to just walk all over it or destroy it. A lot of horrors may just be someone putting on a scarry appearance and saying "boo".

The Trickster element is, well, it is a word that implies intent. Tricks are always a play on the victim's naivety. I get tricked a lot, but when I look at it in terms of language, I learn and become less naive. So a teaching method sometimes.

My non-human "girls" can be brutal at times in their teaching through playing on my naivety, but I know it is necessary for my survival "out there".

I do waffle on, but I would like to see humans become aware of what's around them unnoticed, be they UFOs, " aliens", Nature Beings or simply the so-called afterlife world. I think if we can work out the Language of Appearance things would be a lot less scary.

If my experiences can shed a little understanding for someone, well, that's not a bad thing.

I think that if we are going to learn and meet "others" we need to learn a common language to bridge the gap. The obvious one to me is the Language of Appearance.

a reply to: yuppa

Well th ePhilidelphia experiment is a example of A phase shift. and yeah it was fatal to alot of th ecrew apparently,but...we have had years to perfect it now so I am sure its easier to do. Aliens have long since perfected it to help travel between th estars. think o fit as wormholes without th ewormhole. basically just brute forcing a portal.

And Within a field the creatures inside might be immune to th ePhase shifting.

Now that is a point you have there yuppa. I understand what your meaning now by phase shift. And I understand that your correct there.

From all accounts that was a disaster for all concerned. I hope the Americans abandoned that research. But I would suggest the Soviets did not.

There is a close tie between the Philadelphia technology and what happens at the moment an abomb detonates. Electricity and magnetics is a subject that will get us both in trouble from more then just one sources, I think I'll back out of these things so close to hell on earth.

a reply to: Whatsthisthen

In my early teens I saw a giant cloud, come out in-between two other giant clouds, looked like a hand/gauntlet that had designs that i can't remember, that gradually clasped it self into a fist, and just disappear.

I'm still undecided if it was an illusion, or a dream, but I do remember resuming a sport me and the neighbor hood kids played, and then eventually forgot about over the years. One odd time, I was bored, went for a walk in the woods to raise my spirits(hehe) and it almost felt like something was ether punching me or putting their hand through my skull.

Odd or funny thing was, before hand was that I was exploring or trying to satisfy my own curiosity before this happened.

I've probably told you once before, that I've never really had encountered humanoids, but it does make me wonder. I've had plenty of ufo sightings, and after exploring various myth and fables, I kinda of see the resemblance or impression that some of these thing can give.

I don't know what to make of humanoids, and with the various amount and wide range of claims, and Hell, let alone my own account, really make me wonder.


O yea, it was a very dark grey cloud with black outline that gave it detail. I do remember seeing the sun right after too.

a reply to: Specimen

I'm with you there Specimen, it's hard sometimes to pin these things down like we would like to.

Hands are a human thing, we touch and feel with them, like feeling in the dark.

The hands are the eyes of the blind.

Tekken, my wife always beat the crap out of me . . . .

and devils I rarely come by, another of those things that watch from the sky. The Japanese have a nice way of looking at Kami.

a reply to: Specimen

I was thinking about what you wrote Specimen:

I'm still undecided if it was an illusion, or a dream, but I do remember resuming a sport me and the neighbor hood kids played, and then eventually forgot about over the years. One odd time, I was bored, went for a walk in the woods to raise my spirits(hehe) and it almost felt like something was ether punching me or putting their hand through my skull.

It is just an idea. I wonder if the punching and hands in skull may have been someone fighting you off without knowing what you were.

To explain what I mean.

In a post above, I spoke briefly about how I defined dimensions as length, width, height, motion, and three more that I don't comprehend.

The 3 basic dimension in motion (motion being the fourth dimension) gives time.

Now let's say that some of the phenomenon we encounter and label "paranormal", " alien", "UFO", "occult" and so on are as dimensionally challenged as I am.

That is to say; my consciousness is 4 dimensional. (out of seven dimensions)

Now, what if "other" Beings are also, say; 4 dimensional consciousnesses? But not including the dimensions of length, width, and height.

If we go by the computer graphic convention of 3 dimensional designations of XYZ.

A three-dimensional structure. The x-axis and y-axis represent the first two dimensions; the z-axis, the third dimension. In a graphic image, the x and y denote width and height; the z denotes depth.

Source: PC Encyclopedia

That gives us X, Y and Z.

Let's call motion W.

Therefore the three other dimensions can be designated T, U and V.

So let's say our dimensionally challenged paranormal visitor or "alien" is conscious of dimensions T, U, V and W.

This is just a theory I'm exploring here, but it might be practical.

Two realities separated by time.

TUV - W - XYZ

It would be logical to suggest that from our perspective, we would need something like psychism to perceive into TUV.

From the other perspective they would also need a version of psychism or perhaps technology of some sort to perceive into XYZ.

Okay, there is a nice little video on YouTube that visually depicts what I mean by 4D consciousness. The video shows the motion of the solar system through space. The creators of the video are suggesting the solar system is a vortex, but that is beside the point here.



So that is what I would call four dimensional space.

Your an inspiration Specimen.



So perhaps the "hands and fists hitting your head" were from someone who thought you were an apparition or ghost from their perspective?

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(evil grin)

"Dimensionally challenged": a new politically correct term for "aliens". Maybe not a good thing.

Hmmm, the TUVWXYZ dimensional designations with our consciousness at the end seem a bit backwards so we'll just blame the graphic designers for getting it wrong.

Gotta keep a sense of humour.

I've had some time to reflect on my last post above and I feel I should comment on the designation of dimensions as T, U, V, W, X, Y and Z.

Personally I am not happy with the number of dimensions as apparently seven in number. It is not my intention to suggest seven is an important number.

I wouldn' like anyone to think there is only seven dimensions in my thinking. My 4 dimensional consciousness plus three more dimensions that I cannot perceive without assistance is correct as far as my limited understanding goes.

Therefore that means that theoretically (for me) there is no reason to assume there is ONLY seven dimensions in this. If there is more dimensions I simply have no knowledge of their existence.

So maybe seven, eight, ten or twenty dimensions out there in this theoretical model. I'll leave that up to smarter people then myself.

My own thinking here in building a better definition of "dimensions" is simply tactical. Does it work in practice and does it allow us to achieve something more? That is the litmus test for me.

The TUV - W - XYZ model, in a manner of speaking, places two realities with (perhaps) differing qualities in close proximity to each other. Motion (W) could be said to be the common ground.

W (motion) plus XYZ and W plus TUV -- two worlds.

So, the challenge is: to bridge the gap.

Feel free to play with the concept, I won't mind. Feel free to wonder. Who knows, you might get some help in understanding.

My theory is that just how someone living in a 2-D world would see a 3-D object enter a 2-D space is what we see when aliens enter our 3-D space from thier 5-D world.

a reply to: gflyg

Not quite following . . . .

a reply to: gflyg

Okay I think I've got an idea what you mean there gflyg.

ATS member xenon129 wrote in a previous post in this thread:

If flying saucers are operating in a different dimension, I believe that no energy from this dimension would be able to pass into the craft.

I'm quite sure that is correct.

Now if we take the concept of dimensions as T, U, V, W, X, Y, Z (etc.) as correct and our UFO is T + U + V + W, it is simple logic that dimensions can be added to, but not subtracted from the original.

For example, if a human is 4 dimensional, length, width, height and motion, we can't take away height without destroying the human. No four dimensional to three dimensional change.

Though, come to think of it in terms oif addition and subtraction, remove the dimension of motion and a human would stop and be left behind by everything else in motion. If it didn't kill the human you may have a possible avenue of movement in "time" but that would include displacement in relative postions.

Relative Positioning is a tactic to move dimensionally relative to your target by the way. I'll write a post on that later if anyone asks.

Perhaps it just boils down to practical constraints. If one could change dimension X into dimension T, it probably wouldn't survive.

a reply to: Whatsthisthen

Yea I've seen the video before, it interesting to say the say the least. Life spirals...life in general, like a never ending carousel that cant stop for an instant.

Macro and micro, push an pull, Yin an Yang, the universe is just clock work. I'm not to good with the math, but motion an time would be numero 4. What would be door number five, possiblities and or probabilities, six, seven, eight? I've seen one concept of ten dimensions, where as when it reaches ten, it goes back to a single point, one dimension.

Quarks from what I've heard through the grapevine,( I'll wait till it more refined concept or science to care) where a particle called quarks, can't be broken or split, they kind of multiply. Almost like the mythical hydra, where if one head is cut off, two more pop out an take it place.

And yes it is a good thing to have.