It's official , Jerusalem is Israel's capital - Trump

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: Grambler

So what does that say about the ones who goad them into attacking? Charles Manson never killed a single person but he persuaded others to kill people. Instigators are just as guilty as those who push back. Both parties are in the wrong but I bet if the instigator kept his mouth shut such things would have been avoided.

Charles Manson encouraged violence and revolution and murder.

Show me trump telling Israel to murder Muslims and I will condemn it.

Instigators are not as guilty as those that push back.

In bin Laden's manifesto, the third reason he listed as to why he was at war with the U.S. was that the U.S. reversed it course of supporting genocide in East Timor.

By not endorsing this genocide, the U.S. instigated Islamic extremists to attack them.

But according to you, the U.S. should have committed genocide in East timor, and the fact that they didn't makes them just as responsible for the deaths al Qaeda caused as them.

Who determines what an instigation is?

If I am in Iran and gay, have I instigated those that want to throw me off a building?

Did Heather Jeter who was protesting in charlottesville have equal responsibility for her death because she instigated the attack?

This is so ridiculous.

No, those that committ violence are responsible.

Trying to blame victims is is disgusting.

It's crazy...blame the cartoonists, not those killing them. I just don't understand it anymore.

originally posted by: pavil

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: Grambler

So what does that say about the ones who goad them into attacking? Charles Manson never killed a single person but he persuaded others to kill people. Instigators are just as guilty as those who push back. Both parties are in the wrong but I bet if the instigator kept his mouth shut such things would have been avoided.

Charles Manson encouraged violence and revolution and murder.

Show me trump telling Israel to murder Muslims and I will condemn it.

Instigators are not as guilty as those that push back.

In bin Laden's manifesto, the third reason he listed as to why he was at war with the U.S. was that the U.S. reversed it course of supporting genocide in East Timor.

By not endorsing this genocide, the U.S. instigated Islamic extremists to attack them.

But according to you, the U.S. should have committed genocide in East timor, and the fact that they didn't makes them just as responsible for the deaths al Qaeda caused as them.

Who determines what an instigation is?

If I am in Iran and gay, have I instigated those that want to throw me off a building?

Did Heather Jeter who was protesting in charlottesville have equal responsibility for her death because she instigated the attack?

This is so ridiculous.

No, those that committ violence are responsible.

Trying to blame victims is is disgusting.

It's crazy...blame the cartoonists, not those killing them. I just don't understand it anymore.

Well you can't blame those killing them, that would be racist, or something.

originally posted by: mamabeth
It is about time for anyone to realize that Jerusalem belongs to Israel.

Yes, but at what cost? There will be hundreds to die over this. Maybe even have to bring out the Iron Dome again.

Sometimes sleeping dogs are best left asleep. Now is the not the time, with all the other fires going on around the globe, why make another one now?

originally posted by: pavil

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: Grambler

So what does that say about the ones who goad them into attacking? Charles Manson never killed a single person but he persuaded others to kill people. Instigators are just as guilty as those who push back. Both parties are in the wrong but I bet if the instigator kept his mouth shut such things would have been avoided.

Charles Manson encouraged violence and revolution and murder.

Show me trump telling Israel to murder Muslims and I will condemn it.

Instigators are not as guilty as those that push back.

In bin Laden's manifesto, the third reason he listed as to why he was at war with the U.S. was that the U.S. reversed it course of supporting genocide in East Timor.

By not endorsing this genocide, the U.S. instigated Islamic extremists to attack them.

But according to you, the U.S. should have committed genocide in East timor, and the fact that they didn't makes them just as responsible for the deaths al Qaeda caused as them.

Who determines what an instigation is?

If I am in Iran and gay, have I instigated those that want to throw me off a building?

Did Heather Jeter who was protesting in charlottesville have equal responsibility for her death because she instigated the attack?

This is so ridiculous.

No, those that committ violence are responsible.

Trying to blame victims is is disgusting.

It's crazy...blame the cartoonists, not those killing them. I just don't understand it anymore.

Its cultural Marxism.

The world is only made up of opressor and oppressed classes.

The U.S. and Israel and Europe are oppressors, the Muslims are oppressed.

Therefore if a muslim kills people from that grouo, it must be that groups fault.

This is how they view the entire world.

It ends up with the crazy claims we are seeing here

originally posted by: TonyS
a reply to: Grambler

Can anyone explain to me why ever in the world Trump chose this particular moment in history to recognize Jerusalem as the Capital?

I mean, honestly, how is this in any way in the best interest of the US? All it does is antagonize the Muslims in the ME and all to no particular purpose. Of all the problems in the world today, POTUS addresses this and its a non-problem except now it is of his own making.

Really weirdly stupid blunder in my opinion.

To rebuild the wailing wall with bricks of coal?

Tel Aviv is a wonderful, beachfront city. Jerusalem is the Branson, Mo of Israel/Palestine. The old city is a tourist trap, with a few people making a pilgrimage thrown in. If I worked at the Embassy, I would be pretty chapped at moving from modern Tel Aviv to run-down Jerusalem.

As far as I can tell, this decision is intended to torment folks. So many of Trump's decisions are centered on who to piss off next.

a reply to: Grambler

I love Marx. Give it a different name. Please. It's stupidity.

a reply to: Peeple

So conspiracy fantasies can't dictate reality unless they're in favor of Trump? How many conspiracies do his supporters hold onto in order to ignore his actions and lies?

This is a conspiracy site, at least it used to be. I guess now it's just a bipartisan mud pit. So sad.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Not a Trumpeteer. Sorry wrong tree.

Any fantasy shouldn't dictate reality, if you even call it so yourself.

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: Grambler

I love Marx. Give it a different name. Please. It's stupidity.

it's not the name I came up with.

There is a history to it, but that's for another thread.

No matter what you call it, it is a disgusting ideology that leads to saying things like Charlie hebdo was as responsible as the murders that killed them for their own deaths.

How could anyone with any shred of decency make that argument and not be ashamed of themselves?

If Obama had made this move, everybody would be declaring it god's gift to the world.

The fact it was President Trump guiding us into the reality that Jerusalem is the capital and that is where our embassy needs to be, and we will continue to work hard toward a peaceful solution for all, is anathema to the left.

Such a extremist:

It is time for the many who desire peace to expel the extremists from their midsts. It is time for all civilized nations and people to respond to disagreement with reasoned debate, not violence. And it is time for young and moderate voices all across the Middle East to claim for themselves a bright and beautiful future.

a reply to: queenofswords

If Obama had made this move, everybody would be declaring it god's gift to the world.

The reaction would be the same , stupid is stupid regardless of who does it.

Can any explane HOW this will be good for america?

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
Can any enplane HOW this will be good for america?

Less MOSSAD false flags on your soil.

a reply to: Grambler

But according to you, the U.S. should have committed genocide in East timor

Where are you getting this fantasy from? You can't just sit there and put words in my mouth like that you know.

The fact is Trump and his handlers are doing this knowing full well what the consequences will be, whether the attackers are right or wrong in their reaction is irrelevant because the fact is they (Trump and his controllers) know what their reaction will be and continue to do it in spite of that fact.

If you know the guy down the street is a child molester are you going to drop your kids off at his house while you go to work? It's reckless and stupid to do so, Trump is simply doing this to goad them into the reaction he wants them to have.

a reply to: queenofswords

If Obama did this you'd be calling him the antichrist.

a reply to: gortex

Trump hands Israel's extreme right a victory. The Two State Solution is no more. Greater Israel will mean the Palestinians will no longer have a homeland, and the UN resolution that legitimised Israel has been violated. Congratulations, Mr. Trump! You managed to find a way to make America even more hated by the rest of the world.

This is terrible. The President is risking the outbreak of violence in the Middle East.

/sarc

a reply to: pavil

Not so different from this ....

I’ve made it clear that the United States will never compromise our commitment to Israel’s security, nor our support for its existence as a Jewish state. Earlier this year, in Jerusalem, I was inspired by young Israelis who stood up for the belief that peace was necessary, just and possible. And I believe there’s a growing recognition within Israel that the occupation of the West Bank is tearing at the democratic fabric of the Jewish state. But, the children of Israel have the right to live in a world where the nations assembled in this body fully recognize their country, and where we unequivocally reject those who fire rockets at their homes or incite others to hate them.

a reply to: DJW001

That about sums it up mate , sad day.