It's official , Jerusalem is Israel's capital - Trump

I just found out that we all just got played by trump.

Here's the info I just learned.
In 1995 the congress officially declared that they would move the embacy to jeruslem.
Right after that then president bill clinton signed a waver that would table that move for six months.
Six months later he signed that waver again. This waver has been signed by every US president every six months for the last 22 years. Trump signed that waver in june and then again this month. So nothing can happen with this move for at least another six months and at that time My guess is just like all those who came before him he will sign it again.

Trump is not the one who decided that the US would recognize jerusalem as the capital of israel. Bill clinton and the 1995 congress did. All trump did today was tell us about something that happened 22 years ago and then immediately signed a waver tabling the move for another 6 months.

I feel like a sucker for even caring about this.
Why the hell would trump go on tv and tell us about something good that bill clinton had done , claim it as his idea and then kick it down the road for another six months??

a reply to: ketsuko

Apparently we're getting our points mixed up here. America being the bully is in regards to Trump naming Jerusalem the capitol of Israel, not the founding of Israel by Britain. We're having two different discussions about two different topics and you seem to have mixed them up.

a reply to: pavil

But the media agreeing with this move is a bad thing isn't it? That damn lying liberal communist media is evil! Until they agree with me, then they're alright in my book. Right?

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: ketsuko

So you honestly believe Israel would have been content with the little bit of land they had originally? That's cute.

Fact is Israel took land forcibly and threw Palestinians out on the street in the act of their invasion.

Like I said, if your neighbor planted his flag in your front yard I don't think you'd just sit back and let it happen either.

So what is the difference between the Palestinians and the Israeli Arabs? If the Jews can't live with Muslims or Arabs, why are there so many who live and work and even hold high government positions inside Israel? Could it be because they did not leave to go try to destroy the Jews back during the 7 Days War?

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: ketsuko

Apparently we're getting our points mixed up here. America being the bully is in regards to Trump naming Jerusalem the capitol of Israel, not the founding of Israel by Britain. We're having two different discussions about two different topics and you seem to have mixed them up.

Oh, so the Palestinians are going to beat up Israel because we moved our embassy?

I think they've been trying to do that since the 7 Days War.

Donald Trump has officially announced his decision to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, where he plans to relocate the American embassy. The US President admitted the move will cause dissent, but says it could help resolve the Arab-Israeli conflict. www.rt.com...

a reply to: ketsuko

I don't see your point here. Israel invaded Palestine and threw it's people into the street and claimed their homes as their own. If your neighbor did the sane to you and your family how would you react to it? Answer that before moving the goalposts again please.

a reply to: scraedtosleep

That's not what he did. He said the US is moving its embassy to Jerusalem. No other president has done that, they were all postponing it into oblivion.

Hmmm ...he did something I agree with.

I've long been puzzled by the hatred of Israel and the coddling of the militant branch of the Palestinians. I remember a handful of times the PLO rejected deals for peace that seemed quite "fair" all things considered.

Fact is, they all ganged up and tried to annihilate Israel, a few times, lost and subsequently lost some dirt. Deal with it.

Not recognizing the '67 "gains" is like asking for a war do-over.

That aside, Jerusalem as Israel's capital is a reality, despite the pussy-footing. Fine.

But this Pres just comes across like a dumbass who doesn't understand nuance. Frankness is refreshing, but dumbassery is not. But broken clock and all that.

a reply to: ketsuko

Muslim extremists actually. Like I said you've gotten the lines crossed somewhere along the way.

If we're so gung-ho about having Israel's capitol in Jerusalem to the point of willingly getting into violent conflict over it then we're no better than the extremist Muslims who are willing to get into violent conflict over it as well.

originally posted by: madenusa
Saudi Arabia's King Salman told Mr Trump, according to a Saudi readout of their telephone conversation.

Declaring Jerusalem as Israel's capital, the King said, "would constitute a flagrant provocation to all Muslims, all over the world. ......all over the world is a lot of Muslims.....

Link

All in all, a rather muted response. I'm sure we consulted with S.A. about this whole thing, especially the King in waiting.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Israel's capitol already *is* Jerusalem. It's not we need to give our permission for that.

The Knesset, where the Israeli parliament meets (government, you know), is located in Jerusalem. So this thing with the embassy is at best a symbolic gesture.

But you seem to be all about appeasing people who threaten violence.

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: ketsuko

I don't see your point here. Israel invaded Palestine and threw it's people into the street and claimed their homes as their own. If your neighbor did the sane to you and your family how would you react to it? Answer that before moving the goalposts again please.

Did my neighbor and his family declare war on me?

It will provoke an angry and violent response from Palestinians. Might result in a few dead Americans. Which is probably exactly what Trump wants, so he can say 'See! I told you they were dangerous!'

It's win/win for him.

Not a win for the people who will die. But hey.

a reply to: ketsuko

Before or after they invaded your yard?

originally posted by: pavil

originally posted by: madenusa
Saudi Arabia's King Salman told Mr Trump, according to a Saudi readout of their telephone conversation.

Declaring Jerusalem as Israel's capital, the King said, "would constitute a flagrant provocation to all Muslims, all over the world. ......all over the world is a lot of Muslims.....

Link

All in all, a rather muted response. I'm sure we consulted with S.A. about this whole thing, especially the King in waiting.

Of course, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and the UAE (I think) are all one big, happy family with Israel now. Weird.

They won't like it or give that appearance because they can't, but they dislike Iran and it's allies and that threat even less, and the alliance with each other and Israel is too necessary a counter right now.

a reply to: ketsuko

Us making this move in spite of their resistance is asking for violence and a threat of violence within itself. Unless of course you expect us not to retaliate knowing full well it's coming before doing it?

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

If your contention is that Israelis just barged in and threw all the Arabs out, how on earth are there any Arabs there today?

The answer is because they didn't throw them out. The Palestinians who left did so because they were told they could overrun the Jews and not have to share the land at all and take back all of what was there. The others simply stayed behind.

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: ketsuko

Us making this move in spite of their resistance is asking for violence and a threat of violence within itself. Unless of course you expect us not to retaliate knowing full well it's coming before doing it?

Are you one of those people who thinks simply uttering words another person doesn't like is analogous to doing violence because that's how this sounds.

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: ketsuko

Muslim extremists actually. Like I said you've gotten the lines crossed somewhere along the way.

If we're so gung-ho about having Israel's capitol in Jerusalem to the point of willingly getting into violent conflict over it then we're no better than the extremist Muslims who are willing to get into violent conflict over it as well.

Beating a dead horse here, but the only violent conflict will occur if the Palestinians chose to do so. Then like every other time, the Palestinian people will pay for the actions of their leaders. Sooner or later they will figure out they can't achieve their desired results by violence. You know that "All we are saying..." bit.

They aren't going to beat the Israelis into giving them Nationhood with violence. But the Palestinians are too "proud" to realize that.

Like I've said, the Palestinians never fail to disappoint and their Arab brethren just keep goading them on.

The next move is on the Palestinians side, their choice what route to take. You know what they say about insanity....