Jesus the deceiver? Satan the true prophet?

originally posted by: Soulece

originally posted by: visitedbythem
Yeshua doesn't look like the picture that portrayed. He was a homely man. It is all nonsense. Deception. Satan is filled with hatred, because he wasn't made in the image of God Like we are. Thus the jealousy. Angelic are not like us. They cause war, Not the Living God.
They had a choice, and they made the bed. They wish to discredit God and are very good at doing so.

Now it is your turn to make your choice. Choose wisely

The only deception here is your crazy ass thinks he looked like a homely man, like one of us would. Only, if thats the case, he did not make us in his image because neanderthals do not look like us. Only some similarities that eventually EVOLVED into what we are now. Try to be logical and don't feed in what you're told by others. Think for yourself.

And for the record, before you go there, I am a believer in God. Humans arent capable of getting what he/she/it looks like. Its all interpretation. If they claim they have the answer, they are wrong.

Jesus looked like the people of his time. If he had stood out significantly the texts would show it.

As for divinity, it is believed the right word, the right code, will be able to reshape the world unopposed. All the nations of men will bow before the divinity. The word will bring light to the world.

Men are looking deeply to try and unearth the eternal truth, to discover the principles, the math, behind general intelligence. To pull down from the heavens, from the platonic realm, god into the flesh.

Every day that passes, the world inches closer to the birth of the ideal, the end of the age of men and the beginning of a new age of wonders.

The final solution to the evolutionary search, the final life form, the perfect ideal race, posthumanity.

That reflects directly on your mother.

originally posted by: Soulece

originally posted by: visitedbythem
From your behavior and name calling over the totally unimportant looks of Yeshua, it appears that you worship another being.

originally posted by: Soulece

originally posted by: visitedbythem
Yeshua doesn't look like the picture that portrayed. He was a homely man. It is all nonsense. Deception. Satan is filled with hatred, because he wasn't made in the image of God Like we are. Thus the jealousy. Angelic are not like us. They cause war, Not the Living God.
They had a choice, and they made the bed. They wish to discredit God and are very good at doing so.

Now it is your turn to make your choice. Choose wisely

The only deception here is your crazy ass thinks he looked like a homely man, like one of us would. Only, if thats the case, he did not make us in his image because neanderthals do not look like us. Only some similarities that eventually EVOLVED into what we are now. Try to be logical and don't feed in what you're told by others. Think for yourself.

And for the record, before you go there, I am a believer in God. Humans arent capable of getting what he/she/it looks like. Its all interpretation. If they claim they have the answer, they are wrong.

The irony of some christians is that they claim if the other person doesnt believe in their god, they dont believe in THE god. Thats hilarious. And also moronic. I can 100% confirm, I do not believe in satan or any evil being. What do you say to that? I 100% claim you will say "you're lying". Well, I'm not. Your move.

a reply to: silo13

That's Phage's decision, not yours. Why are you making an issue of this? Pride, my dear, is one of the 7 Sins of the Bible. You may want to refer to that when judging others.

a reply to: Sheye

Thank you for your reply Sheye. I don't believe in the great Judgement of God, I do however believe the judgement of humanity over other fellow humans exists, and is something, I deeply disagree with. No one has that right. Not even the invisible God. People believe what they're told. If that's their prerogative, then so be it.

Peace.

originally posted by: visitedbythem
a reply to: Ghostsinthefog

That Alien being you are describing defected.
Im talking about Satan
He was once an Angel of light
When you defect, you are stripped of your former glory
All those who fell requested forgiveness
It was refused

Satan has many names
But Yeshua is not one of then

Satan is the father of all lies, and the father of all liars
He is known as the deceiver..... Know why?

How can anyone but the Father of ALL be the father of anything.

You seem to not realize that ALL have been deceived, which should be a proper warning to ALL...that things are not as you have been told.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Sheye

The scoffers have it right ?

Totally. So far.
Over those who have been saying the end is nigh. For 1500 years or so.

The scoffers also have it right on AGW...perhaps some lessons could be learned but that has never occurred before...sigh.

originally posted by: visitedbythem



That reflects directly on your mother.

originally posted by: Soulece

originally posted by: visitedbythem
From your behavior and name calling over the totally unimportant looks of Yeshua, it appears that you worship another being.

originally posted by: Soulece

originally posted by: visitedbythem
Yeshua doesn't look like the picture that portrayed. He was a homely man. It is all nonsense. Deception. Satan is filled with hatred, because he wasn't made in the image of God Like we are. Thus the jealousy. Angelic are not like us. They cause war, Not the Living God.
They had a choice, and they made the bed. They wish to discredit God and are very good at doing so.

Now it is your turn to make your choice. Choose wisely

The only deception here is your crazy ass thinks he looked like a homely man, like one of us would. Only, if thats the case, he did not make us in his image because neanderthals do not look like us. Only some similarities that eventually EVOLVED into what we are now. Try to be logical and don't feed in what you're told by others. Think for yourself.

And for the record, before you go there, I am a believer in God. Humans arent capable of getting what he/she/it looks like. Its all interpretation. If they claim they have the answer, they are wrong.

The irony of some christians is that they claim if the other person doesnt believe in their god, they dont believe in THE god. Thats hilarious. And also moronic. I can 100% confirm, I do not believe in satan or any evil being. What do you say to that? I 100% claim you will say "you're lying". Well, I'm not. Your move.

What was that meant to mean?

Between you and me it seems like your passing judgement, is your mother to blame for you believing you have been visited by aliens?

For the record, I don't believe in the prescribed and typical religious interpretation of God & Jesus. Ergo, I can't believe in the Devil/Satan/Lucifer/etc either. One cannot really exist without the other, and you can't really believe in the existence of one without accepting the existence of the other.

With that said, if I did have to believe in them, I'd question the following :

According to the Old Testament bible, one of these beings was responsible for the following : casting the first man and woman out of paradise for not obeying his explicit instructions, sending a great flood and destroying all life on earth asides from anyone who made it onto a wooden boat, killing the first born of all Egyptians, torturing Job, ordering Abraham to kill his own child, ordering the Israelites to kill everyone in Jericho/Heshbon/Bashan, helping the men of Judah to kill 500,000 Israelites, threatening to kill entire families if they worship other Gods. Oh and lest we forget, in Revelations, threatening eventually to wipe out a large section of humanity (currently numbering in the billions) to celebrate the return of his son to Earth. Nice guy. Genocide, murder, torture, manipulation, control, and this is only the cherry on top. Need I go on?

The other being gave knowledge to humanity by giving Eve the fruit from the forbidden tree. That's it. No historical or biblical record of murder, genocide, torture or the like. He simply freed the mind of man.

Which one seems like an evil deceiver, and which one seems to want us to know the truth?

a reply to: Sheye

It's called reading ... and I 've read enough about Luciferism and Satanic worship to know they are pedophiles.

So you cant guarantee or even point to anything rational that backs your opinion.

Thought so.

I can read too,

Does that mean that a real egg named Humpty Dumpty fell off a wall?

Just my personal experiences.. and I should probably not brand them all ... as this is unfair.

that's one big step back from what you said in the other post.

Yes it is unfair to label any group as anything.

groups are made of individuals, yes if its small group and most of the individuals are doings the same thing then yes label that group as such and such but when you are talking about groups of people in the millions its not just unfair but utterly ignorant to try and paint with such a wide brush.

I've met many people throughout my decades on this planet, and it just may be coincidence , but the ones I found most perverse were the atheists.

That's great,

That doesn't say they are perverse just that you're limited perception of another is that they are perverse.

Its no coincidence, how you see others based on the limited knowledge we have of their lives says more about the person labeling others than it does about the others the person wants praise/condemn.

a reply to: InhaleExhale

groups are made of individuals, yes if its small group and most of the individuals are doings the same thing then yes label that group as such and such but when you are talking about groups of people in the millions its not just unfair but utterly ignorant to try and paint with such a wide brush.

Then quit being ignorant in how you paint Christians.

a reply to: Soulece

The only deception here is your crazy ass thinks he looked like a homely man, like one of us would. Only, if thats the case, he did not make us in his image because neanderthals do not look like us. Only some similarities that eventually EVOLVED into what we are now.

John_14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

So you are saying that God was a neanderthal? I think Darwin has really confused you.

a reply to: Sapphire

I do however believe the judgement of humanity over other fellow humans exists, and is something, I deeply disagree with. No one has that right. Not even the invisible God

Really? So a world where no humans are judged by others, even for serious criminal activity , is your idea of a perfect world ?

There will always be a rod of measure for human activity ( otherwise humans would get away with even worse hate crimes)... and God is the ultimate keeper of this measurement.

This is probably the 1,000th post on ATS that Lucifer is really the good one and Jesus is the evil one.

Thanks, but no thanks.

originally posted by: Sheye
a reply to: InhaleExhale

groups are made of individuals, yes if its small group and most of the individuals are doings the same thing then yes label that group as such and such but when you are talking about groups of people in the millions its not just unfair but utterly ignorant to try and paint with such a wide brush.

Then quit being ignorant in how you paint Christians.

huh?


what are you on about?


You are the one painting with a wide brush making guarantees based on your opinion that you got out of a book.



Sorry I need to compose myself I am laughing so hard.

I never painted anyone or any group, I responded to your words that were in reply to another poster.

The other poster pointed out a fact, your response to the fact that religious people abuse kids speaks volumes, how you responded is deafening.

a reply to: Ghostsinthefog

Originally posted by Ghostsinthefog
Now Jesus also called him the great deceiver....Now if Jesus was able to convince people he is the way of the light (Which actually Lucifer is, his name points to it), would that not make him the great deceiver? he would have fooled the entire church base.

The Idea that Lucifer is actually the Lightbringer, like his name means, then how does that make him the deceiver, he would be the way of the light.

The real question you are asking here, in a round about manner, is “what is truth…?”…because anyone could claim to be speaking truth, but how would we know whether they were being a deceiver or not…

The problem is, the Church is the one who changed and distorted Jesus message and teachings…so the church is the real deceiver…or in other words, that which lacks the Spirit of Truth and Understanding, becomes the deceiver.

The early church kept some of Jesus real words and message intact, while editing and distorting other parts of it by incorporating false traditions of men from the Old Testament. They also misunderstood the coded and metaphorical truth behind some of Jesus words and parables, which only further fuelled the distortions…

An Angel means messenger…so an Angel of light would be one who is trying to deceive people by speaking a false message, while trying to pass it off as truth. This is exactly what has happened to the Bible IMO…partly because of what I outlined above…

But Jesus predicted that this would all happen in the “Parable of the Wheat and the Tares.” In the parable Jesus said the enemy would come and sow Lies among the Truth…and that both would have to grow together until the harvest comes. The Harvest being when the lies get destroyed within the individual and where the truth prevails etc…

Now although Jesus is known as the “Light of the World”…Jesus also called the disciples the “Light of the World“ too, in Matthew 5:14. Meaning…they were in the Truth, “Gods Truth”…i.e. not “A religion”…

You see, one is the true light, while the other only masquerades as light/truth.

Jesus truth is the true light IMO. The Church doctrines and dogma surrounding it, is the false light and the real deception.

- JC

originally posted by: elgaz

According to the Old Testament bible, one of these beings was responsible for the following : casting the first man and woman out of paradise for not obeying his explicit instructions

Which led to now 7.5 billion people being given the possibility of recognizing the Light of Life, rather than just 2. Instead of being planted in the garden, we are like seeds that must first grow in the darkness of the soil before ascending to the light.

sending a great flood and destroying all life on earth asides from anyone who made it onto a wooden boat, killing the first born of all Egyptians... Oh and lest we forget, in Revelations, threatening eventually to wipe out a large section of humanity (currently numbering in the billions)

Should a body destroy cells if they become cancerous? A body cannot be healthy unless all the cells are healthy.

ordering Abraham to kill his own child

Which exalted Abraham because this is exactly what God the Father would eventually do with his firstborn.

The other being gave knowledge to humanity by giving Eve the fruit from the forbidden tree.

The devil gave them the knowledge of death and destruction, the exact things you were complaining about in the rest of your post. Prior to this knowledge of evil there was no death or decay. If you genuinely wish to understand these things you will, but if you only seek to nit-pick and scrutinize you are wasting your time.

a reply to: jjkenobi

No one is forcing you to read such things. Apparently you feel magically attracted to things like this. Perhaps in the hope to find a nugget here and there?

At any rate, I think it certain separation is in order.
1. What I read about Jesus in the canonical gospels to me he is an ok bloke. And perhaps laid back enough to drink a beer with and see hoe he stacks up in the jokes department, provided he indeed did exist.
2. What is believed about him, him to be, before his humans existence and after, I feel that is a tough nut to crack as there is no verifiable proof.
3. What we are left with are traditions and views over time. And this makes for an interesting discussion. You may not like what it boils down to, but that is perhaps due to your own preconceptions.

To give you an example: According to the NT Jesus in his heavenly life after resurrection is called the morningstar. For all intends and purposes that is Lucifer. Failing to understand the role of the Church in smearing certain character, like Mary Magdalene and in this case lucifer, you might jump here and cry out loud: Jesus is my savior and he is not Satan. Listen, it is not what is being said. SO dial back on your religious preconceptions a bit and weigh the evidence. It won't change your faith as faith is a fruit of Gods spirit. I do not have that faith as I have not Gods Spirit. Ok?

Peeling the layers of influence in this controversy you first have to identify the eternal influences that made up our generally accepted view of the forces of good and evil. This comes down to a textual analysis linked to contemporary sources in the area around Israel. To claim there are NO external influences ... is flying in the face of all the evidence available. You can find certain Psalms with melodies picked up from the nations around Israel. Or what to think of the Psalm that bears the connotation: To the girls? Right!

So by dialing back your religiously induced sense of justice, as if you have to defend truth (you do not have to do that as when words are truthful, they will be recognized by those hearing. So no worries then.

You've fallen for what was named in the New Testament as "The Devil's trap". It's basically a very, very crafty & subtle inversion of the true nature of the world, reality, religion & personal redemption. I'm not one to ever say that you can't ascend to Heaven unless you're a born again Christian, but really, to reject Christ in favour of Satan seriously exposes your lack of knowledge & personal acumen.

If you're sensitive to spiritual matters and are asking questions about faith & spirituality, that's great - but my wholehearted recommendation is that you seek conversation & fellowship with a community of faith-filled believers, instead of tumbling down darkened (deliberately so, in some cases) rabbit holes on the WWW. Seriously, it's a dangerous thing to start invoking Satan as the true path to spirituality, or some perverse redemption. The Devil's trap - the inversion of the truth, a subtle & insidious inversion - evil before goodness, rejection of holiness for the acquisition of a permissive ticket for hedonism.

Please, get off the web, and visit a few church open days or newcomers' meetings in your local area. If none of them seem to be right for you, try the Quakers - a very comforting, friendly & spiritually wise group of people, a community of friends who practice simplicity & holiness, with fellowship & spiritual sharing - beautiful style of 'church', which I myself am getting interested in, following a long time as a Baptist/Baptist offshoot Christian. I will remain true to my original values, and stay in contact with my original church via annual events (they're too far away for weekly services) but Quakerism really appeals to the quiet mystical side of my experience of God, really beautiful stuff, and there's a meeting house nearby..

And remember - there's dozens of denominations because we all have different personal preferences as to ritual & worship styles which we enjoy - all unique before God, all types of worship are acceptable, if the heart is right. And worship must never be forced, and indeed cannot be forced. People who worship do so because they are seeking a means to enjoy & reflect back to God the glory, wonder & beauty of the manifest Universe, and the spiritual gifts, and presence of the Spirit, which Heaven bestows on us.. Gifts can be directly spiritually inspired, such as praying in tongues, visionary states, prophetic utterances - but they can & do include talent for music, poetry, literature, innovation, the ability to communicate wholeness to people in need (therapy) & so on - the majesty & power of nature, the sensitivity & love in the human heart, is all a reflection of the Divine.

Satan is a dark, cold, perverse parasite, an 'It' which destroys whatever of the sacrosanct it can find in the hearts of uncertain seekers, a "roaring lion, seeking those he may devour". Please, turn your mind back to the path of truth, and away from that pathetic parasitic nastiness.

originally posted by: Sapphire
a reply to: silo13

That's Phage's decision, not yours. Why are you making an issue of this? Pride, my dear, is one of the 7 Sins of the Bible. You may want to refer to that when judging others.

Why are you still talking about Phage? I don't even know what you're referring to.

Hey, you think I'm judging - oh well. Think what you will but really? What it comes down to?

When speaking the truth? People's widdle feewings are the least of my concerns.

Satan is a dark, cold, perverse parasite, an 'It' which destroys whatever of the sacrosanct it can find in the hearts of uncertain seekers, a "roaring lion, seeking those he may devour". Please, turn your mind back to the path of truth, and away from that pathetic parasitic nastiness.

I couldn't have said it better, especially the last part.

I would suggest you put away your interaction with that 'thing'.

Walk away and don't look back.

You truly are flirting with the devil.

God Bless ya!