Argentine Navy loses contact with sub-44 on board

a reply to: Zaphod58

Thank you for your reply Zaphod, I do understand.

However I don't fully trust what the MoD feeds us 'the public'. Obviously until any more actual info or evidence comes out we won't know for sure.

What we all know is that its a bit odd..

a reply to: Zaphod58

That makes the assumption that what we are being told is truthful. There are plenty of ways to send a craft to the bottom, and UK Maritime Special Services, like those of other nations, are extremely well versed in all those techniques, so I am lead to believe. Cough! Cough!

a reply to: CulturalResilience

So now, we have the Argentinian Defense Ministry lying (when showing that the UK had something to do with it would be to their advantage), the UK MoD lying, the US Test Ban Treaty Compliance guys lying.....

Got it. Everyone is lying about this.

a reply to: fluff007

It's really not odd. Snorkels have been known to leak since WWII days, especially in bad weather.

a reply to: Zaphod58

No need to get yourself upset old chap. This is a conspiracy site and there is, at least, a chance that the truth about this is even deeper down than this unfortunate boat. I'm not attempting to call your expertise into question by raising the possibility of there being some deception going on amongst it all.

a reply to: CulturalResilience

I'm not the least upset. But every bit of evidence points at an accident, every bit of evidence makes sense. So either everyone involved is lying, or there's an attempt at a conspiracy where no evidence of one exists.

1+1=Car.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Glad to hear it.

a reply to: CulturalResilience

Very sad still. Crappy way to die if it wasn't sudden.

God speed to those sailors.

I hope this isn't too far off topic..this song and the true story it's about has struck a cord with me since it came out decades ago.

May their souls rest in peace.

originally posted by: CulturalResilience
a reply to: Zaphod58

No need to get yourself upset old chap. This is a conspiracy site and there is, at least, a chance that the truth about this is even deeper down than this unfortunate boat. I'm not attempting to call your expertise into question by raising the possibility of there being some deception going on amongst it all.

Why on earth would the UK sink the outdated submarine of an impoverished nation it was not at war with? Do we routinely murder innocent people in peacetime?

There are conspiracies that are legit or there are moon howlers who believe any nonsense to make a conspiracy seem plausible to the detriment to this site.

See also flat earthers.

originally posted by: Forensick

originally posted by: CulturalResilience
a reply to: Zaphod58

No need to get yourself upset old chap. This is a conspiracy site and there is, at least, a chance that the truth about this is even deeper down than this unfortunate boat. I'm not attempting to call your expertise into question by raising the possibility of there being some deception going on amongst it all.

Why on earth would the UK sink the outdated submarine of an impoverished nation it was not at war with? Do we routinely murder innocent people in peacetime?

There are conspiracies that are legit or there are moon howlers who believe any nonsense to make a conspiracy seem plausible to the detriment to this site.

See also flat earthers.

Despite what you may like to think, a conspiracy theory is not ilegitimised by you not personally subscribing to it.

a reply to: CulturalResilience

Nor is it legitimized by someone making it up out of whole cloth.

According to a report, the sub suffered a fire in the forward battery compartment after water entered the snorkel. The crew dove deeper to attempt to continue heading to port, while fighting the fire. It's believed that the fire spread through multiple compartments, and after two hours the sub went below crush depth and imploded.

www.telesurtv.net...

a reply to: Zaphod58

Diving deeper whilst fight a fire doesn't sound like standard Submarine procedure. I would think you surface, even if the weather at surface is bad. Till we find it, we just won't know.

a reply to: pavil

The problem with surfacing in bad weather is that if you open the hatches you take on water, and either way you make it harder to fight the fire, because you're going to be rolling. By diving, you can get below the area where the water is churned up by any surface storms.

a reply to: Zaphod58

It sounds like a horrible option. Unless you know you can contain it. It's a judgement call with no good option.

a reply to: pavil

Pretty much yeah. Like they said in one article, two hours of horror before they imploded.

A year later the Argentine navy says they have located the wreck of ARA San Juan thanks to the assistance of a US company , the wreck is at a depth of 2,620ft.

The wreckage of a submarine which went missing with 44 crew on board a year ago has been found, the Argentine navy says. The ARA San Juan submarine disappeared 430km (270 miles) off the Argentine coast on 15 November 2017.
www.bbc.co.uk...