3 dead after school shooting in California, shooter stopped by deputies

originally posted by: peter vlar

originally posted by: ZeroFurrbone
a reply to: SlapMonkey

I am talking about automated weapons. I mean, if you plan on kiling lot of people, why use a normal gun?

Machine or Submachine gun would work x10 better and kill way more people.

And precisely how many people are killed in the US every year by automatic weapons?

In 2016 84 people were killed by assault weapons.

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: Shamrock6

Harry Potter, is that you?

No it's the ginger one.

originally posted by: projectvxn


In in urban area those sounds are gonna bounce off buildings which is why it's hard to pin point shooters in urban areas.

There may have been a second shooter. But not every shooting is Grassy Knoll second shooter conspiracy BS.

I don't think a ricocheted bullet can be mistaken for a 30-40 year old man in green camo.

Glad to read the kids are gonna be OK.

Bullet proof backpack inserts? What about their head or chest? Wouldn't it make more sense to change the gun laws?

a reply to: TheLotLizard

In 2016 84 people were killed by assault weapons.

He said automatic weapons.

Assault Weapon is a political term.

Assault Rifles are military small arms with select fire capability.

84 people were not killed by the latter.

a reply to: djz3ro

I don't think a ricocheted bullet can be mistaken for a 30-40 year old man in green camo.

I didn't say ricochet. I said sonic booms.

Bullets are typically supersonic(.45ACP being a notable exception). Sounds, especially sonic booms produced by a bullet in flight, can bounce off of buildings without losing much sound fidelity. The soundwaves do eventually dissipate as you could imagine, but not before people hear shots coming from multiple directions.

It is possible that what people actually saw was one gun man in multiple locations. Which seems to be the case.

a reply to: jacquesdarippa

And that's ok, sometimes it takes more courage to stand up for your own convictions than to allow others to plot your course for you. You do not have to make excuses for yourself or to anyone including your own family. If your truth and comfort is in not owning a gun, well that's perfectly fine, you stand tall and carry a big stick!

I get you, I really do, and in some cases, anything you might have or use can actually be turned and used against you if you are not properly trained. If training is not something you want to do, it is OK.

I respect and commend an individual who does not personally smoke pot but who would vote for the right for others to make that decision for themselves. I feel exactly the same about gun ownership and the second amendment.

You might have a strong talk with your family and explain the way you think and feel, ask them to take the gun back and allow you to be at peace with yourself and your choice.

Witness in the LA Times reported that a local business owner who identified herself as Tiffany heard “...about 100 rounds” “from multiple guns” if that’s of interest to anyone.

a reply to: antar

antar, seconded 100%

originally posted by: CajunMetal
Witness in the LA Times reported that a local business owner who identified herself as Tiffany heard “...about 100 rounds” “from multiple guns” if that’s of interest to anyone.

The guy had a rifle and 2 handguns. It's entirely possible he was alternating weapons. Even the 2 handguns would sound different if they were different calibers.

There is only one realistic way to minimize incidents like this, and that is to be prepared.

Prepared with the right mindset, prepared with the proper tools and procedures.

The gun control argument is so tiresome.

Even in a perfect world that so many folks think would exist with the absence of all firearms... would still never stop the "bad man" from doing harm on innocent people.

Bad people will never go away, killing will never go away, this will always be reality.

So..... Best option is to be prepared.

originally posted by: kyleplatinum
There is only one realistic way to minimize incidents like this, and that is to be prepared.

Prepared with the right mindset, prepared with the proper tools and procedures.

The gun control argument is so tiresome.

Even in a perfect world that so many folks think would exist with the absence of all firearms... would still never stop the "bad man" from doing harm on innocent people.

Bad people will never go away, killing will never go away, this will always be reality.

So..... Best option is to be prepared.

Very correct. As I pointed out a few pages ago, even if all of our gun homicides went away last year, we would still have had between 3,000-4,000 murders in the US. People simply kill with something else if they can't get a gun in societies that have serious crime problems, like we do. When gun control advocates make the "no other advanced nation" argument, they fail to point out that the common denominator we have with "non-advanced" nations that also have high gun crime is not a high gun ownership rate. In fact in many of those nations the gun ownership rate is quite low. What we have in common with them is out of control crime.

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: CajunMetal
Witness in the LA Times reported that a local business owner who identified herself as Tiffany heard “...about 100 rounds” “from multiple guns” if that’s of interest to anyone.

The guy had a rifle and 2 handguns. It's entirely possible he was alternating weapons. Even the 2 handguns would sound different if they were different calibers.

Totally agree. Just wanted to make a record of an early report of the number of shots heard.

a reply to: TheLotLizard

"Assault weapons" as promoted by irresponsible media, are semi automatic, not automatic weapons. Furthermore, it's essentially a BS term used to demonized a long gun based on the aesthetics as opposed to how it functions.

a reply to: CajunMetal

www.dailymail.co.uk...

neighbors were complaining to the cops for weeks the shooter was shooting the weapon every night and morning

a reply to: face23785

Hands and feet are STILL #1.

originally posted by: peter vlar
a reply to: TheLotLizard

"Assault weapons" as promoted by irresponsible media, are semi automatic, not automatic weapons. Furthermore, it's essentially a BS term used to demonized a long gun based on the aesthetics as opposed to how it functions.

News flash! It’s not very hard to convert a semi-automatic weapon into an automatic one... which have killed people in the U.S.

a reply to: TheLotLizard

GREAT NOW you have to explain BUMP STOCKS to them..I get too mean,anymore...

a reply to: TheLotLizard


I'm afraid that is untrue. It is a crime to posses any weapon capable of easily being converted to function automatically.

Bump stocks are pretty inaccurate, and would actually decrease the hit:miss ratio. Even the military recommends semi-automatic fire mode for virtually all combat functions.

I own a machinegun (RDIAS), and it hasn't ever been used in an illegal activity - nor will it be. I didn't purchase it for its combat value, though. I purchased it because laws like the NFA + GCA make these things increase in value over time. I paid $20,000 for a small hunk of worthless metal. In 5-10 years, it will likely be worth far more. I can't even imagine its value 20-30 years from now.

I will likely be dead, but since I purchased it via my NFA trust, I won't have to worry about transferring it when I die. My family members are all on the NFA trust, but I will likely will it to my oldest daughter who loves firearms as much as I do. Whether she uses it for entertainment, protection or sells it to put her future children through college, or make ends meet or whatever else... I know it will only increase in value.

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Tehama County Assistant Sheriff Phil Johnston said that one of the victims was a woman the gunman was previously accused of stabbing in January.

School officials heard shots being fired about a quarter-mile away and the school went into lockdown mode, Johnston said. He added the incident "could have been much worse if it wasn't for the quick thinking" of the school's staff, who put the school in immediate lockdown mode without instruction from police.

Johnston noted it was "monumental" that school workers took action when they did, because he believes they saved the lives of countless children.

The assistant sheriff said the gunman rammed his vehicle into a school fence, then walked onto school grounds with a semi-automatic rifle with a protective vest on. After being unable to access classrooms due to the lockdown, it's believed the gunman became "frustrated" and went back to his car, and began shooting at people while driving.

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The gunman, identified by the Sacramento Bee and members of the Rancho Tehama, as Kevin Janson Neal, 43, shot both inside and outside Rancho Tehama Elementary School, Johnston said.

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