Texas Church Shooting : Thread

a reply to: Grambler

You know what... never mind.

I will tell you this though, and this goes for Ketsuko as well...

You both should be ashamed, absolutely ashamed of yourself. This thread is about discussing the event and the matters pertaining to IT and IT alone. It is not a venue for dragging over old ground, nor is it a venue to discuss my political beliefs. They are not relevant to this topic, and you know they are not.

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: Dutchowl
a reply to: TheJesuit>>>> The call for gun control is going to be silenced as usual. The guy was fought off by a good guy with a gun, just like in the last church shooting. And the barest hint or cry for gun banning only increases gun sales and the resolve for people to own and bear them. That has to be driving the deep staters buggy.

Yes gun sales always go up after a mass shooting. But they claim its from people afraid they will ban them that doesn't make sense however. Because if they banned them they would be the first to lose them because they are registered. I think the more likely reason is people start thinking of protecting themselves in case they are in a similar situarion. For example this will make a change from me I have a carry permit and to be honest didn't feel right about carrying in our church. Well won't do that again instead of being in the car it's staying with me.

People all ways claim people buy guns for anything other then self defence notice that. I first got my permit along with the wife when she started getting some death threats at her law firm. Funny people aren't happy with lawyers are they?

Depends on what they do. If they are ambulance chasers, we tend to not like them. But they are needed in a world full of creeps who allow harm to others with their products, people who would harass others, lie and philander.

A good DA/DOJ type lawyer is needed now to handle the criminal cabal in DC.

a reply to: TrueBrit

Honestly, are they (the ones allegedly flying these swastika flags) the same ones who are rioting in the streets of the US or Europe and burning the cities down??? Incidentally, I'm not sticking up for them, and I certainly do not agree with them, but are they the ones blowing up trains, shooting up theaters and ramming trucks into crowds of people killing hundreds?

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: TrueBrit

You get much further in getting people to listen to you when you don't pretty much start out your position with "You're all nuts, or insane, or need to be removed from society wholesale simply for taking a different political perspective than my own ..."

Once you've gone there, people sort of tend to tune you out.

That's a big part of the problem with political discourse these days.

Can one be more of a Prick (wanker to you TB) than to say that? I think not. TB should be ashamed of his grandstanding and general lack of compassion for reality. People die because of hate not how easy it is to get weapons. The city's with the most carry permits are literally the safe cities. The NON GUN ZONES are were the evil is occurring, CASE CLOSED. Churches, Malls and other quite places are the feeding grounds of the deprived hateful mind who wants to kill innocent people. Gun toting idiots as you think of them, STOPPED em DEAD!!

News stating he may have been targeting his inlaws.

Denied a permit for CHL but was able to buy a rifle in San Antonio. Some fire arms dealer is gonna be in hot water, I would think.

a reply to: Justoneman

All this arguing over what and where is just so much side-stepping why so many people think that killing as many people as they can is a good idea.

We can try to tell ourselves all we want that if only he didn't have this or this or that zone wasn't safe, etc., but that's like a little kid rationalizing that if only he hasn't run over that rock he wouldn't have fallen off his bike and broken his arm.

That's really all it is.

Fact is that this person was deeply, deeply flawed in some way, and for some reason our society is producing more deeply, deeply flawed people. Instead of worrying about that, we fight each other and ignore that simple truth.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

The vast majority of terror related offences in both our nations, are committed by far right lunatics. The only assassination of a political figure in my country in the last God knows how long? A fascist did it.

The overwhelming majority of terror related offences committed in the US? Committed by fascists.

Watching the reaction to this shooting has been quite telling. Much like the scalise shooting, really.

Democrat ANTIFA guy shoots up a place full of people they view as political opponents, gets stopped by law abiding CCW holder. Then the dems demand that the people they shot up, give up their weapons. All under the guise that somehow the guy that shot everyone up, is going to follow the law. If I hadn't been watching this happen all day yesterday I wouldn't have believed anyone could be this stupid. But here we are.

a reply to: Justoneman

I specifically have been suggesting that this issue is nothing to do with guns, for precisely my entire interaction with this thread.

originally posted by: projectvxn

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Xcathdra

The problem is that any law on the gun show loophole wouldn't stop what they are actually trying to aim at. If I have a firearm and agree to sell it to you for $20, then I do.

Agreed however as the seller you are not required to complete the sale. You can decide not to sell a firearm simply if you dont like the clothes the person is wearing.

Also true, but sometimes, you can't tell someone is going to go out and commit murder with the gun you sell. Try real hard to forget what this guy did and look at his picture and you tell me his appearance alone raises red flags.

A partial solution is to require background checks on ALL sales of firearms, whether done by FFL holders or P2P sales and regardless of location.

"Shall not be infringed."
You been depressed? No guns for you!

Part of the problem is that we have a broken mental adjudication system. Mental illness and its adjudication are already disqualifying conditions for purchasing a firearm and is a question on the 4473. The problem is that the people who should be adjudicated aren't because of privacy laws. NICS NEVER gets this information as a result. There's already a strict system in place for the definition of dangerously mentally ill and depression isn't among them unless suicidal behavior has also been observed. We've been using this system for decades, but the FBI and NICS can't report what they don't know.

I think we can fix that.

This is indeed one of the biggest problems. Actually, as I just posted in another thread, Republicans tried to fix this last year. Democrats filibustered it.

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a reply to: face23785

Just curious, was this guy diagnosed as mentally ill?

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: TrueBrit

Honestly, are they (the ones allegedly flying these swastika flags) the same ones who are rioting in the streets of the US or Europe and burning the cities down??? Incidentally, I'm not sticking up for them, and I certainly do not agree with them, but are they the ones blowing up trains, shooting up theaters and ramming trucks into crowds of people killing hundreds?

Yeah, but they say mean things. That's just as bad or worse to some people, so they're terrorists too. Hey, we gotta flip the narrative somehow.

a reply to: ketsuko

As an atheist, I vehemently condemn this worthless POS and these murders. He doesn't represent me. I don't how anyone can be hardcore about atheism. For me, I just don't believe and that's about the extent of my atheism.

If people want to call him a terrorist, I would not disagree with that label.

originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: face23785

Just curious, was this guy diagnosed as mentally ill?

I believe that's unclear at this point. I wasn't suggesting it would've stopped this shooter. It's part of the overall problem though. Many of these mass shooters turn out to have mental health indicators that never made it into the background check system. The system is useless if you don't load disqualifying information into the database.

a reply to: Dfairlite

The argument is that he should have been, because he was. His actions are evidence of that.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

I didn't say I was blaming all atheists, just saying it might be a reason why he picked his target. He may have been going to pop off no matter what, but if you think the religious are stupid, that might weigh in on your "who needs to die" scale.

a reply to: face23785

There are so many things about mental illness that can not be reported for issues of privacy and to not stigmatize the mentally ill.

a reply to: TrueBrit

Surely you cannot mean what you just posted! That, or we clearly have a major disconnect on the definition of "fascist" as well as "far right", because it would definitely appear you just equated Muslim extremists with "far right", yet earlier you stated "fascist's" were the ones flying the swastika flags and calling for deportations (of ALL illegals).

Which is it? Or would you like to go back an edit that post to read more, uhhh...sanely?

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

I am just going to assume we are operating off a different understanding of the terms. There are differences between Europe and the US.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: face23785

There are so many things about mental illness that can not be reported for issues of privacy and to not stigmatize the mentally ill.

Yeah exactly. And it makes the background check system ineffective. There has to be some room for improvement. It's not like they are gonna post your private medical information all over. Only the people that program the database will see it. The guy at the gun store who goes in the back to run your background check isn't gonna be told "declined because they've been diagnosed with [insert illness]". It doesn't get that specific.