Simon Cowell - the next abuse scandal?

a reply to: DrHammondStoat

He is very generous, buying houses and other expensive presents for 'ex- girlfriends'. Some of these girlfriends have been around for decades, what keeps them so loyal and why does he pay them?

Surely you aren't really wondering. The answer is simple. Big $$$ and big johnson. It really is that simple.

a reply to: Namdru

"They Hoes"

Wouldve been accepted as well.

originally posted by: Namdru
a reply to: DrHammondStoat

He is very generous, buying houses and other expensive presents for 'ex- girlfriends'. Some of these girlfriends have been around for decades, what keeps them so loyal and why does he pay them?

Surely you aren't really wondering. The answer is simple. Big $$$ and big johnson. It really is that simple.

A big johnson? One of his girlfriends had apparently never seen it because she said in the press it was 'platonic' So a 30 year relationship where she 'acts' like his girlfriend.
He does have a lot of money but the situation of 3 or 4 ex girlfriends going on holiday with him is really odd, why would he need them all there if it wasn't all for show. We know he has a history of false stories in the press about women.

a reply to: DrHammondStoat

S&F because it is a really well crafted and written OP. Personally I'm not very keen on Mr. Cowell and have never been a fan of any of his shows. Also, his name sounds like a villain from a James Bond movie.

The guy never has a problem getting hot chicks,he is single and can date any lady he wants,just because some losers can't score like him,sour grapes

a reply to: DrHammondStoat

As to the fall, Simon isn't a young man anymore. He may have a health problem.

While we like to speculate about famous people in light of the current outbreak of allegations, I would rather consider someone innocent until it's made clear they are guilty, and if a pattern of allegations emerge that can be validated, then I would tend to believe them outright.

While I believe people need their voices to be heard and have experienced first hand what a sexual predator is and does, until credible allegations are even made I can't put a man in the guilty seat. Lets just wait and see on this one, at least that's my opinion.

originally posted by: AboveBoard
a reply to: DrHammondStoat

As to the fall, Simon isn't a young man anymore. He may have a health problem.

While we like to speculate about famous people in light of the current outbreak of allegations, I would rather consider someone innocent until it's made clear they are guilty, and if a pattern of allegations emerge that can be validated, then I would tend to believe them outright.

While I believe people need their voices to be heard and have experienced first hand what a sexual predator is and does, until credible allegations are even made I can't put a man in the guilty seat. Lets just wait and see on this one, at least that's my opinion.

Well that's the whole point, wait and see. I don't know what Cowell may or may not have done but I do think his public persona is a charade and covering something up and I have believed that since it came out about Max Clifford making stories up on his behalf. The main interest I have in this is how far money can go to silence the media and the public.

In the twitter account of Cowell's make-up artist she has shown a letter to the police and crime reference number. In the UK that's proof you've recorded a crime. I don't know exactly who she's accused, that's not clear

originally posted by: DrHammondStoat

What 'I want to make up in my mind' ?

That anyone who disagrees with you MUST automatically defend the alternative. That's what you "make up in your mind". You already want to assume that because I disagree with you and the rhetoric surrounding the outbreak of bandwagon jumping allegations, it's because I condone sexual predation....grow up.

You said "Yet, these same chicks throw themselves at someone like Cowell" . What does that mean apart from the fact you are judging what type of people are making allegations? You are dismissing them off hand as women who 'throw themselves'

That's accurate, I AM making judgements.....what of it?

I don't see how I'm playing the victim or 'hating men'. You are the one making generalisations.

Generalizations? I'm being very pointed at accusing golddiggers....that's far from general and it's extremely prevalent; then they want to play the victim when THEIR prey doesn't play ball.

Until there's evidence, this is a nothing topic and Cowell is innocent....not much more to it.

originally posted by: DrHammondStoat

originally posted by: AboveBoard
a reply to: DrHammondStoat

As to the fall, Simon isn't a young man anymore. He may have a health problem.

While we like to speculate about famous people in light of the current outbreak of allegations, I would rather consider someone innocent until it's made clear they are guilty, and if a pattern of allegations emerge that can be validated, then I would tend to believe them outright.

While I believe people need their voices to be heard and have experienced first hand what a sexual predator is and does, until credible allegations are even made I can't put a man in the guilty seat. Lets just wait and see on this one, at least that's my opinion.

Well that's the whole point, wait and see. I don't know what Cowell may or may not have done but I do think his public persona is a charade and covering something up and I have believed that since it came out about Max Clifford making stories up on his behalf. The main interest I have in this is how far money can go to silence the media and the public.

In the twitter account of Cowell's make-up artist she has shown a letter to the police and crime reference number. In the UK that's proof you've recorded a crime. I don't know exactly who she's accused, that's not clear

Look, you miss the point -- the point Alphabetaone was making also applies to the recent Nelly accusation. Here is a guy who is by and large considered to be an exemplary example of a good looking man, who is also real wealthy, has been featured on the cover of Men's magazine and Fitness mags everywhere, who ladies literally throw themselves at, who was accused of raping a woman on his private tour bus, in which -- the alleged victim admitted to boarding willfully.

Why on earth would Nelly or Simon have to rape anyone? They literally turn down more woman than they don't. It doesn't make sense here.

Now a dude like Weinstein, who is hideously ugly, who didn't have recognizable fame, who was in a position of power and authority over these woman -- that story makes sense. It's called context, everyone wants to ignore the context and just take all these accusations as fact, people chant "Yeah take him down!" and "What a total scum bag" and so on and so forth, before there is any evidence or even a narrative that makes sense.

Also, if Simon is hiring women to play his beard because he's gay, and using a PR publicist to manage fake stories about his "lady killing" -- I highly doubt he sexually assaulted his female make-up artist, so the two hypotheses are at total odds with each other aren't they?

In most cases of a rich and famous person being accused of some kind of sexual assault -- it's not assault at all, it's legitimately consensual, in which case consent was removed POST action. I.E. They are lies after the consensual act for big pay days in settlement money. I.E. Gold Diggers.

a reply to: alphabetaone

" Yet, these same chicks throw themselves at someone like Cowell'

these same chicks?

I didn't say you " condone sexual predation" At all did I ? you made the comment about 'These same chicks' which is a generalisation about the people that are making accusations. you can't see that's a judgement?

If you read any of what I posted you will see at least one person has contacted police and at no time did I say it was Cowell that was accused. Anyway never mind, I'll leave it there as the thread is not about 'gold diggers'.

originally posted by: SRPrime

originally posted by: DrHammondStoat

originally posted by: AboveBoard
a reply to: DrHammondStoat
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In most cases of a rich and famous person being accused of some kind of sexual assault -- it's not assault at all, it's legitimately consensual, in which case consent was removed POST action. I.E. They are lies after the consensual act for big pay days in settlement money. I.E. Gold Diggers.

I don't think I am missing any point. This thread is about 'will Simon Cowell be caught up in a Weinstien type scandal'? It's not about Gold diggers.

I didn't just pick Cowell out of thin air, people he used to employ are saying there is something 'scandal' worthy on the horizon. He has paid millions in the past to P.R. men who are on record as lying for him and to keep his image the way he wants it.

"In most cases of a rich and famous person being accused of some kind of sexual assault -- it's not assault at all"

I really don't understand how you can justify this. Most rich and famous people are innocent by default? Weinstein is guilty because he's ugly . Right then.

originally posted by: SRPrime

originally posted by: DrHammondStoat

originally posted by: AboveBoard
a reply to: DrHammondStoat

As to the fall, Simon isn't a young man anymore. He may have a health problem.

While we like to speculate about famous people in light of the current outbreak of allegations, I would rather consider someone innocent until it's made clear they are guilty, and if a pattern of allegations emerge that can be validated, then I would tend to believe them outright.

While I believe people need their voices to be heard and have experienced first hand what a sexual predator is and does, until credible allegations are even made I can't put a man in the guilty seat. Lets just wait and see on this one, at least that's my opinion.

Well that's the whole point, wait and see. I don't know what Cowell may or may not have done but I do think his public persona is a charade and covering something up and I have believed that since it came out about Max Clifford making stories up on his behalf. The main interest I have in this is how far money can go to silence the media and the public.

In the twitter account of Cowell's make-up artist she has shown a letter to the police and crime reference number. In the UK that's proof you've recorded a crime. I don't know exactly who she's accused, that's not clear

Look, you miss the point -- the point Alphabetaone was making also applies to the recent Nelly accusation. Here is a guy who is by and large considered to be an exemplary example of a good looking man, who is also real wealthy, has been featured on the cover of Men's magazine and Fitness mags everywhere, who ladies literally throw themselves at, who was accused of raping a woman on his private tour bus, in which -- the alleged victim admitted to boarding willfully.

Why on earth would Nelly or Simon have to rape anyone? They literally turn down more woman than they don't. It doesn't make sense here.

Now a dude like Weinstein, who is hideously ugly, who didn't have recognizable fame, who was in a position of power and authority over these woman -- that story makes sense. It's called context, everyone wants to ignore the context and just take all these accusations as fact, people chant "Yeah take him down!" and "What a total scum bag" and so on and so forth, before there is any evidence or even a narrative that makes sense.

Also, if Simon is hiring women to play his beard because he's gay, and using a PR publicist to manage fake stories about his "lady killing" -- I highly doubt he sexually assaulted his female make-up artist, so the two hypotheses are at total odds with each other aren't they?

In most cases of a rich and famous person being accused of some kind of sexual assault -- it's not assault at all, it's legitimately consensual, in which case consent was removed POST action. I.E. They are lies after the consensual act for big pay days in settlement money. I.E. Gold Diggers.

I don't think I'm missing the point. This thread is not about Gold Diggers.

I didn't pick Cowell out of thin air, people he employed are saying there is some scandal brewing and in the past he has paid millions to a P.R. man that lied for him to create an image of a red-blooded hetero male.

"In most cases of a rich and famous person being accused of some kind of sexual assault -- it's not assault at all"

Really? So if someone is rich, it's usually a 'gold digger'. Now I'm glad I understand that point. Rape isn't just about sex, it's about power and the fact that some people don't get off on 'straight' consensual sex. This means good looking rich people can be rapists too.

a reply to: DrHammondStoat

A big johnson? One of his girlfriends had apparently never seen it because she said in the press it was 'platonic' So a 30 year relationship where she 'acts' like his girlfriend.

Hmmmmm. Inneresting, a bit unsettling. I sure hope it isn't children. If the mystery ever is revealed, I'm betting it still has something to do with his, and/or others' johnsons. In showbiz, if you follow the money, it usually has everything to do with which dipstick went where, or at least, wants to go there. Which is why Walt Disney's obsession with children and animal fannies is unsettling to this day.

a reply to: DISRAELI

I agree. I woke up at 6:11am yesterday and tried to get back to sleep but couldn't even though i had only had 3 and a half hours sleep. I don't see how this is suspicious and certainly don't see how that could make Simon Cowell an abuser. I think there is so much of these celebrities getting accused of abuse that it may not be true and could be people just trying to get money out of these celebrities and ruin their careers. I'm not saying that people haven't been abused by celebrities but there is just too many being accused now. I have met a few celebrities and could easily accuse them of abuse just to get money. I would hate to be male and in the public eye of fear that an accusation could be thrown at me at any time.

originally posted by: Kylie89
a reply to: DISRAELI

I agree. I woke up at 6:11am yesterday and tried to get back to sleep but couldn't even though i had only had 3 and a half hours sleep. I don't see how this is suspicious and certainly don't see how that could make Simon Cowell an abuser. I think there is so much of these celebrities getting accused of abuse that it may not be true and could be people just trying to get money out of these celebrities and ruin their careers. I'm not saying that people haven't been abused by celebrities but there is just too many being accused now. I have met a few celebrities and could easily accuse them of abuse just to get money. I would hate to be male and in the public eye of fear that an accusation could be thrown at me at any time.

Where did I say Cowell falling down stairs means he's an abuser?

What I said is the story about the fall reminded me Cowell has a history of planting false stories through his P.R. who was a very dodgy person and specialist in covering up people's real lives. Together with this, ex employees are saying they were assaulted working on Cowell's shows and he is using lawyers to silence the media.

I think he's a ruthless individual that uses P.R. to push a false image but I haven't accused him of any abuse. I think something is going on with his company and he is feeling the heat trying to keep a lid on it all.

a reply to: Namdru

Which is why Walt Disney's obsession with children and animal fannies is unsettling to this day.

''Animal fannies'' hehehe

(''Fanny'' means something else here in the UK).

Someone claims they were trying to get to sleep at 07:30. Armchair detective uses it as a starting point for his paedophile conspiracy.