Majority Of White Americans Say They Face Discrimination

a reply to: Grambler

I'm white 37 years old. I have never once in my life been discriminated against because of my skin.
I have been treated very badly (mostly by other white people) for being poor.

There has been a war on white people for a while, and it keeps getting worse and worse.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Grambler

Try going to india or Egypt or China as a blonde-haired, fair-skinned person. So-called privilege doesn't get you very far.

I've noticed that TV journalists reporting from some war-torn ME paradise seem to be dark-haired, olive skin types.

Must be a reason for that.

a reply to: Grambler

Yes and no...

I think about 90% of the people complaining about it are full of it, but because of how it is legally written, white males are the ONLY UNPROTECTED class...

Instead of saying it was illegal to discriminate period.. they instead classified it as illegal to discriminate on the conditions of race, sex , age exc. but for some reason it excluded whites..

As a strange consequences califoria joining the union , Mexicans are legally classified as white. So until like the 80’s they couldn’t use the 14th amendment.


Just a guess but it is probably meant as a protection for big buisness..

At that time white males made up the majority of the work force, and people rarely listened to minorities or women. So allowing protections for the smallest percentage of the work force was acceptable. The majority of the workforce being able to sue over just harden variety discrimination though... that could cost WAY more.

originally posted by: okrian


Feelings don't matter... right? The facts do. .

My God, how I wish that was the attitude when discussing minorities feeling on discrimination.

and you forgot this important part from your source:

Notable, however, is that while a majority of whites in the poll say discrimination against them exists, a much smaller percentage say that they have actually experienced it.

Also important to note is that 84 percent of whites believe discrimination exists against racial and ethnic minorities in America today.

and

Income also seemed to affect individual responses to the question of discrimination.

Lower- and moderate-income white Americans were more likely to say that whites are discriminated against — and to say they have felt it, either when applying for a job, raise or promotion or in the college-admissions process.

and finally, a 'correction' to the article:

Correction
Oct. 26, 2017
An earlier version of this story incorrectly said: "More than half of whites — 55 percent — surveyed say they face discrimination on the job, in education and in a variety of other ways."

The poll question asked whether respondents believed discrimination against white people exists in the U.S. today generally speaking. The poll found that at most, 19 percent of whites say they have personally faced discrimination while applying for jobs.

www.npr.org...

So it's kind of a wash.

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: okrian


Feelings don't matter... right? The facts do. .

My God, how I wish that was the attitude when discussing minorities feeling on discrimination.

Because the facts are that minorities haven't been discriminated against?? Psh.

originally posted by: okrian

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: okrian


Feelings don't matter... right? The facts do. .

My God, how I wish that was the attitude when discussing minorities feeling on discrimination.

Because the facts are that minorities haven't been discriminated against?? Psh.

Show me any federal law that discriminates against minorities.

I can find them against white people, affirmative action.

Show me any academic institution that decries the evils of blackness or any other color, yet we see that with whiteness.

We are constantly discussing facts only to be told we don't understand what its like to be a specific person.

Fact, hand up don't shoot was a myth. But that doesnt matter because feelings.

And on and on.

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: okrian


Feelings don't matter... right? The facts do. .

My God, how I wish that was the attitude when discussing minorities feeling on discrimination.

Question for you:
How many non-whites have been in the Senate?
How about women in the Senate?

originally posted by: Grambler

A majority of whites say discrimination against them exists in America today, according to a poll released Tuesday from NPR, the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation and the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health.

"If you apply for a job, they seem to give the blacks the first crack at it," said 68-year-old Tim Hershman of Akron, Ohio, "and, basically, you know, if you want any help from the government, if you're white, you don't get it. If you're black, you get it."

More than half of whites — 55 percent — surveyed say that, generally speaking, they believe there is discrimination against white people in America today. Hershman's view is similar to what was heard on the campaign trail at Trump rally after Trump rally. Donald Trump catered to white grievance during the 2016 presidential campaign and has done so as president as well.

www.npr.org...

Often times when discussing racial discrimination, and argument will inevitably come up that if you are not a minority, you don't know how they feel or what they go through.

So my question is if this poll is accurate, is it now appropriate for white people to say if your not white, you don't know what it feels like, and then therefore should not be allowed to comment on it?

I feel like these numbers will continue to rise as long as it is in vogue to call everything racist, and complain about whiteness. etc.

The more identity politics are pushed for some groups, the more the other groups will start to group themselves into groups based on gender or color on the other side.

If only we just treated each other as individuals.

Meh I've faced discrimination lots. The difference is I don't whine about it and honestly I expect it. The world is a racist place. Outside of media and colleges and # no one gives a crap. Go spend some time with people from outside of North America and racism is normal. It's not that people hate other races, it's that they have no qualms about pointing out differences to their own culture. Personaly I see absolutely nothing wrong with that and if people get upset that people around the world point out eachothers differences then they really need to grow the # up. Almost every conversation I've ever had with someone from another country has started with them asking me "what race are you?" Or "where are you from?" And instead of being offended I answer their question, ask them the same thing back and then we get to know eachother. I honestly cannot understand in the slightest how discussing obvious differences between people is offensive. If anything it seems kind of offensive to pretend something so blatantly #ing obvious doesn't exist.

originally posted by: Grambler

Show me any federal law that discriminates against minorities.

I can find them against white people, affirmative action.

Show me any academic institution that decries the evils of blackness or any other color, yet we see that with whiteness.

We are constantly discussing facts only to be told we don't understand what its like to be a specific person.

Fact, hand up don't shoot was a myth. But that doesnt matter because feelings.

And on and on.

Institutional racism (against non-whites) has been so historically bad that laws had to be made in order to combat said racism. Institution racism (against non-whites) is still astoundingly bad in this country, so those laws remain. I mean, this isn't rocket science.

And people/academic institutions aren't decrying the "evils" of whiteness. But there is certainly a whole lot of evil done by white people (in very recent US history) that needs not be forgotten. These "evils" specifically done because of race, not just because they happened to be white people. The problem is that certain groups of white people would like to pretend it never happened that way and for some magical reason had no affect on race relations, minority attitudes, or the societal strata of today. And the constant denial by these certain white people isn't helping either.

I think that we all have been blessed...
Carry on.

a reply to: dug88

What about when they only point out the negative differences specifically to demonize and create a false narrative about a group of people, usually for political gain....


Also , sure today’s discrimination tends to be more a nucance than a massive immediate problem, but yesterday’s was only a couple generations ago.. the 50s would be like an alien world by modern standards..

I think the major consequence of slavery/segregation is the fact that almost no African American received ANY BENEFIT from their fore fathers labor.. none recovers a buisness or land, none received any inheritance before the last 2 generations..

That is definitely still being acutely felt.

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: okrian

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: okrian


Feelings don't matter... right? The facts do. .

My God, how I wish that was the attitude when discussing minorities feeling on discrimination.

Because the facts are that minorities haven't been discriminated against?? Psh.

Show me any federal law that discriminates against minorities.

I can find them against white people, affirmative action.

Show me any academic institution that decries the evils of blackness or any other color, yet we see that with whiteness.

We are constantly discussing facts only to be told we don't understand what its like to be a specific person.

Fact, hand up don't shoot was a myth. But that doesnt matter because feelings.

And on and on.

Someone needs to read up on history:

The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.

Who do you suppose said this? Someone on the left?

Ah, not so much... rather, it was John Ehrlichman, a Watergate co-conspirator, counsel and Assistant to the President for Domestic Affairs under Nixon.

a reply to: Grambler

I can believe it. Known people personally who have experienced discrimination, being white, and have myself as well. For some years now, the trend has been to not only demand more for non-whites, but to also demonize people simply for being white. IN recent years, I have observed race relations become worse than I have ever seen them, in decades. I thought, growing up they'd continue to improve, but the previous administration sure changed that!

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: dug88

What about when they only point out the negative differences specifically to demonize and create a false narrative about a group of people, usually for political gain....


Also , sure today’s discrimination tends to be more a nucance than a massive immediate problem, but yesterday’s was only a couple generations ago.. the 50s would be like an alien world by modern standards..

I think the major consequence of slavery/segregation is the fact that almost no African American received ANY BENEFIT from their fore fathers labor.. none recovers a buisness or land, none received any inheritance before the last 2 generations..

That is definitely still being acutely felt.

The history of slavery in the United States doesn't affect me or any of the black people I know. Most of which aren't from Africa and their families were never slaves. Most of the black people in the community I live in and that I know are from Jamaica. Of the few Africans I know, one is from South Africa and is fairly racist towards people from Northern Africa and white people alike.

Most of the racism I see on a daily basis is people from the middle east being racist towards chinese people, chinese people being racist towards everybody, including other chinese people and generally the least hostile racism comes from white people. If I hear anything from them it's the occasional joke. I've worked for a Honduran guy badmouth literally every 3rd world country and tell me how he refused to work for phillipinos because they're all cheap but like to look rich. I also found a dagger with a swastika under the seat of his truck. I watched my Vietnamese friend get really confused and start calling his older friend racist because he wouldn't give me the same price as him because I wasn't Vietnamese. It was pretty funny my buddy started saying it was racist, I just laughed and told him it's the way it is. I regularly have to go help my coworkers that are supposed to help eachother because the Iranian guy and the Chinese guy hate eachother. We had a rich Indian customer refuse to have his products installed after we made them because our installers are asian. They're still sitting in our shop. Their job was particularly expensive to make and took a bunch of time.

The primarily Chinese area of the city has issues with the Mandarin speakers being racist towards the Cantonese speakers. The Sikhs don't get along with the Hindus and both of them are racist towards white people and Asians.

There was a white power rally planned in my city a few weeks ago. The only people that showed up were people there to protest the rally. There wasn't enough white power idiots to even start a rally.

For the most part black people probably face the least amount of discrimination here despite there being far less of them here than other races.

I understand America's history is different and the problems people face there are different. The thing is wherever you go there's some kind of racism going on and it comes in lots of different forms. People, most places, really aren't enlightened enough to get past that nonsense and honestly through personal experience dealing with many different people from many different places stereotypes exist for a reason and if people act like a stereotype that's there own fault. Obviously not everyone is like that, but if you are then why the # not judge by the way I see people act. Personally I look at everyone on an individual basis but I don't expect others to and I don't get upset when they don't. There's a lot more productive things to spend time on.

Unless your being oppressed or threatened in some way in this current time period you're probably doing ok as a race. For example see what's happening to people in Palestine or refugees trying to escape their villages being slaughtered but denied entry into other states in India because of their race. Or the farmers being slaughtered in Africa right now. People in North America comparatively are doing just fine.

Everybody's race sucks there's lots of #ty things you could point out about any race. People that do that all the time no matter what colour they are are just #ing assholes. They exist everywhere. Ignore them and move on.

a reply to: Greven

Who is denying history?

My god not only have I never claimed that this country did all sorts of terrible things against minorities, I have exxplained how the most inspirational people I have ever read about were the slaves who when released decided to show the world how great they were by working their buts off to outdo many of the racists that have effected them

This is the ultimate show of strength, individualism and personal work ethic that is everything america is about, and every American should be proud of these people that showed all of us what being a great person is truely about.

But I am not talking about history. What laws are on the books today that are against minorities?

Again, this is what I was talking about in the OP.

We should stop making laws or taking actions to hurt or help people based on skin color.

As long as we have laws the benefit people based on skin color, or sanctioned classes that focus on the evils of just one skin color, or say things like math is whiteness or science is whiteness and we need to change it, we will see a holes like richard spencer use id politics on the other side.

a reply to: okrian

Dude, segregation was like 60 years ago, that's like ancient history and there is literally no one alive now who went through that or who knew someone who went through that sort of discrimination.

Why would something that happened SOOOO long ago (literally like 60 years, I can't even stay outraged over one issues more than a week at a time) still be in the memories of people today or the relatives of those who went through that sort of things? Are you high?

/sarcasm

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

At what point does a person let go to things that happened to ancestors? Those BLM kiddies weren't even born then.

If we're nursing grudges for generations, then does that mean I ought to get angry at the Romans, er, Italians for what they did to England? How about the Normans? Should I be ticked off at the Vikings for their coastal raiding ways? I should also still be really upset at both the Germans and the Japanese for WWII ...

a reply to: ketsuko

Didn't we win WWII? And the rest of that stuff happened long enough ago that there is no one alive who experienced it or knew people who did experience it and grew up hearing about it from the perspective of the oppressed.

If you don't think segregation and the overt racism that came along with it doesn't still have its shock waves still rippling then I'd say you just don't want to recognize that 60 years ago wasn't that long ago.