Why the Dossier may be the most serious political scandal the US has ever seen.

originally posted by: soberbacchus
let's see if partisanship has fully eroded brain cells.

Perhaps you were unaware of the following...or maybe you should ask yourself that question?

originally posted by: soberbacchus
Fusion GPS being PAID by an American GOP Nominee to do opposition research.
Fusion GPS contracting with/Paying a UK Private Contractor to gather intelligence.
Then after the GOP Nominee exits the race, SELLING the work-progress to an American lawyer representing HRC Campaign and DNC.

What you wrote is FACTUALLY INCORRECT

Marc E. Elias, a lawyer representing the Clinton campaign and the DNC, retained Fusion GPS, a Washington firm, to conduct the research.

After that, Fusion GPS hired dossier author Christopher Steele, a former British intelligence officer with ties to the FBI and the U.S. intelligence community, according to those people, who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

Elias and his law firm, Perkins Coie, retained the company in April 2016 on behalf of the Clinton campaign and the DNC.

Source.

And from Steele's own mouth:

And so, on a warm day last June, Christopher Steele...received in his second-floor office at Orbis a transatlantic call from an old client.

Link.

Nice try.

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Grambler

How does that make me wrong? You okay?

Wow.

You said no one but fusion GPS paid Steele.

This evidence says the fbi did.

This couldn't be more simple, you are wrong.

I still don't know how some on here don't find anything wrong with what is going on with the Fake Dossier...Because of this I hope Trump takes a page from Obama's book and does the EXACT same thing to dems in 2020....I hope he uses bathroom gossip to gain warrants and FISA warrants to dig up all the dirt on their rivals and use it to attempt to influence the elections......I mean it's just common opposition research right?

a reply to: GuidedKill

Yes I said that. Based on a long and honored history that predates trump and his retarded alligations stating otherwise. I didn't just fall off the turnip truck honey bun...
I lived through the cold war and what is history to you was current events to me.
Trump may have been able to convince you that our intelligence agencies are simply fumbling idiots... That's fine....Just remember this...your very life and those of your family are in the hands of those men and women you're so quick to discredit.

I've got to get back to work. Now I'm no Trump fan, but if this is true, it amounts to nothing less than a bloodless coups d'etat.

That saddens and troubles me.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: introvert

Such a simple fact and for what ever reason keeps getting pushed aside. The whole middle man is comp!estoy removed from the equation. Amazing huh... ??

It's a very important distinction.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: GuidedKill

Yes I said that. Based on a long and honored history that predates trump and his retarded alligations stating otherwise. I didn't just fall off the turnip truck honey bun...
I lived through the cold war and what is history to you was current events to me.
Trump may have been able to convince you that our intelligence agencies are simply fumbling idiots... That's fine....Just remember this...your very life and those of your family are in the hands of those men and women you're so quick to discredit.

Good for you!! Because you're an elderly person that automatically makes you correct!!

Well I am former LE and have many many friends currently in the FBI and many friends that are retired. Most of them agree this isn't your grandpas FBI...The FBI is even more political then when J Edgar ran it.

So while I respect my elders....You should understand you're a dinosaur and things aren't the same as the "good ole days" old timer!!

a reply to: Sillyolme


They pay far less than private sector intelligence contractors. You surely can't expect public agencies to attract the best or the brightest, right?

Do you really believe intelligence collection maintained the stalemate during the cold war? Mutually assured destruction already had it handled.

These intelligence agencies are unelected bureaucrats who are not beholden to anyone (not even their Citizen masters) or anything (hence Eric Clapper lying to congress to their face). They can take their safety/protection elsewhere, I don't need it.

In light of all the spying and underhanded BS these spooks have been caught doing (thanks, in part, to WikiLeaks), I recon we'd be better off with a much, much smaller government (including far fewer "intelligence" agencies).

a reply to: introvert

Because they paid their lawyers and the lawyers paid fusion. Can you get any more degrees of separation? Why would the DNC list individual expenditures of its law firm? Did they count the firm's office supplies as an expense of the DNC? The secretaries as staff?

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: loam

For what?

Operating as a conduit for receiving that "other thing of value". You do realize that convictions on this basis are well established?

a reply to: JBurns

Shayetet 13 apart from our DEVGRU and SAS deserves it's praise as well.

originally posted by: loam

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: loam

For what?

Operating as a conduit for receiving that "other thing of value". You do realize that convictions on this basis are well established?

Introvert is directly involved in the investigation....I'm sure he knows more than anyone here due to his direct involvement in the case....


Just ask him!!

a reply to: GuidedKill


Former LEO here as well GK, although in my day we used old Whelen bubblegum lights and carried .38 SPL wheelguns.

I have meet several other retired LEOs here, great to meet you as well

a reply to: loam

Interesting timing, but still doesn't change the fact that one was paid campaign work by a private org and the other was literally an offer as " part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump"

originally posted by: GuidedKill

originally posted by: loam

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: loam

For what?

Operating as a conduit for receiving that "other thing of value". You do realize that convictions on this basis are well established?

Introvert is directly involved in the investigation....I'm sure he knows more than anyone here due to his direct involvement in the case....


Just ask him!!

You seem to be a special kind of asshat unwilling to debate the merits.

originally posted by: loam

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: loam

For what?

Operating as a conduit for receiving that "other thing of value". You do realize that convictions on this basis are well established?

Ok.

Can you provide some examples of case law for such convictions?

a reply to: Grambler

But what if the hypothetical dirt dug up on Obama was TRUE and beyond the salacious stuff it pointed to him being compromised by the hypothetical Israel to the point that the President would make policy to benefit Israel, possibly to the detriment of the US. Say that it isn't Israel but North Korea that was the source of the dirt, or our frenemy China.

What if NK or China, hypothetically, was hacking into US campaigns and mining emails from both the RNC and the D NC BUT only produced publically the RNC emails, which had the effect of creating huge amounts of infighting and chaos. Imagine they also created a propaganda op that targeted with great sophistication the Republican Party with fake news "scandals" and false stories. What if they did all this to put Obama into power.

What if it came out that not only did they have the big stick of compromat on Obama, things that would destroy his careers, they also had provided a massive financial carrot if he played ball, in the form of a payoff of billions of dollars interest in a Chinese government company.

What if Obama was elected during a theee pronged attack on the US election- propaganda, hacking emails, and hacking voter information possibly to confuse voter registration information to help Team Obama.

What if you saw all that, had been following the separate actors and pieces of this terrible breach of our democracy for the entire year before the election and no matter how hard you tried to get the liberals to see it, they said "meh" and immediately pivoted to some attempt at discrediting those who were their "opposition." The liberals laugh about how delicious your tears are...

If you can go there, Grambler, you will have a brief glimpse of the horror and nausea inducing position many of us "horrible liberals" have felt - and here it is, the nightmare continues.

I know we have different viewpoints, and disagree about the role government should play in our lives, but what is happening now goes way beyond that. Our Democracy is being slowly broken into authoritarianism and Reps are letting it happen because tax cuts and killing Medicaid and Medicare. That's how I see it anyway. You are being conned.

Please forgive errors. Gotta stop for now.

a reply to: the2ofusr1

Where is old Jason today? Oh yeah something about a surgery and time with family ...nothing to do with distancing himself from the tumor that is trumps presidency right?

a reply to: AboveBoard

For those interested here are just a few of the Dossier's claims that aligned with reality and timing.

Other note: Mueller is the only one that Christopher Steele has granted an interview with.

www.businessinsider.com...

Here is a searchable version of the Dossier:

www.documentcloud.org...

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: GuidedKill

originally posted by: loam

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: loam

For what?

Operating as a conduit for receiving that "other thing of value". You do realize that convictions on this basis are well established?

Introvert is directly involved in the investigation....I'm sure he knows more than anyone here due to his direct involvement in the case....


Just ask him!!

You seem to be a special kind of asshat unwilling to debate the merits.

Thanks for the contribution! Very informative!!

If you took the time to go back and look in this thread I have made points over and over why this dossier is crap. I have posted videos and interviews with the people directly involved in the dossier investigation saying witnesses said it is total crap....

I apologies if I can't take the time to hold you hand and point you to each and every point...It's called reading, you should go back a few pages and give it a whirl!!

a reply to: introvert

Still don't get it.

"Receiving thing of value" from a foreign national does not get it done unless it is donation or contribution to the campaign.

Campaigns pay foreign nationals all the time for work product, food, flights, hotels...Campaigns employ law firms that employ foreign nationals all the time. Trump's hotels and resorts his campaign paid are packed with Foreign Nationals working there.

It is not receiving something of value, it is receiving it as a contribution or donation.

The difference between paid work and

GOLDSTONE:
"The Crown prosecutor of Russia [..] offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father."
"This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump"

DON JR.:
" if it's what you say I love it especially later in the summer. "