It didn't take long for a replacement battle after the ISIS Capital falls

a reply to: IcanXplain

Its no one's land. We don't take it with us when we die. We leave it behind, and other people either inherit it, or its seized by force. The current occupants are content with turning it into a lake of blood. I have no problem taking their land and establishing just rule of law there. Its the way mankind has always done things, and its the way we will continue to do things.

originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: nwtrucker

I follow a blogger who usually has some nice tidbits to whats going on ...todays email brought me this

Penny for your thoughts Russia's Roseneft To Take Majority Share in Kurdish Oil Pipeline Posted: 20 Oct 2017 07:51 AM PDT Keep it under your hat! How does this development affect the regional situation? If it does at all? Might this be a factor in all the demonization of Barzani? In the push to get the Barzani clan out of power? So many questions........... Oilprice.com: While tensions between Iraq’s federal government and the Kurdistan region continue to escalate, Russia’s state-controlled oil giant Rosneft said on Thursday that it had agreed with the Kurdistan Regional Government to take majority control in the operation of the oil pipeline in the Kurdish region, in an apparent push by Russia and Rosneft to achieve greater political and economic influence in the Middle East. Rosneft’s share in the project may be as high as 60 percent, while the other project participant with a 40-percent stake will be KAR Group—the current pipeline operator, the Russian company said.
“The entry into the infrastructure project will contribute to achievement of Rosneft’s strategic objectives and will enable Rosneft to enhance the efficiency of oil transportation to the end customers including supplies to the Company’s refineries in Germany,” said Rosneft’s CEO Igor Sechin, who is a close ally of Vladimir Putin. According to sources familiar with the deal who spoke to Reuters, Rosneft’s investment in the project would be around US$1.8 billion. The Rosneft deal comes just days after Iraqi government forces seized control of all oil fields that Iraqi state-held North Oil Company operates in the oil-rich Kirkuk region from Kurdish forces. Last week, Iraq’s Oil Minister Jabbar Al-Luiebi ordered state-held oil and pipeline companies to begin restoring oil flows from Kirkuk to Ceyhan via a pipeline that bypasses Kurdistan, increasing pressure on the breakaway region that voted for independence last month in a referendum strongly opposed and deemed illegal and invalid by the federal government.

On Thursday, Iraq’s Oil Ministry issued a statement saying that it “warns seriously all the countries and oil companies from contracting or dealing with any authority inside Iraq without taking the approval from the federal government and the ministry of oil.” Oil Minister Al-Luiebi said that “the irresponsible statements from some of the officials inside & outside Iraq or the foreign companies about their intention to sign oil contracts with any authority inside the geographic borders of Iraq without telling the federal government or the ministry of oil, is considered as a Blatant interference in the internal affairs and a derogation from national sovereignty, and an outright violation of international norms.” Although the statement doesn’t specifically name any foreign company, it came on the day after Rosneft signed another deal with Kurdistan--Production Sharing Agreements (PSA) for five production blocks, for a total investment of up to US$400 million. This week’s deals between Rosneft and Kurdistan are not the first agreements between the Russian oil giant and the region that overwhelmingly voted for independence from Iraq at the end of September. Even before the referendum, Rosneft had already become the biggest source of oil funds for Kurdistan. Thoughts?

In the case of the Kurds-I'm guessing completely on this- is sovereignty is senior to the money/oil issue...other than a means to finance that sovereignty? At least to the general population. There's always going to be some that use that national issue as a vehicle to profits. Again, just a guess.

originally posted by: SailorJerry
That region will always be in conflict, no matter what.

Yup.

The only difference between region and religion is a LI.

originally posted by: nwtrucker

originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
a reply to: nwtrucker

I have an Imperialist solution. Invade and conquer some land in the ME. Estalish secular libertarian law under the Bill of Rights. Arm the people. Give them jobs, and make it a safe haven for refugees from other ME nations. Then leave the rest of the ME nations to slaughter each other. Those who don't want to play genocide can find asylum in the US ME colony.

Definitely cheaper and less loss of U.S. life.

Here's another one, make a deal with Iran. No nukes and you can have Iraq! Just support a Kurdistan- you can own the leadership just like you do in Syria and Palestine- and we will leave you to your little Persian Empire.....BUT NO NUKES.

Here's another one.

Leave them to do what they want, keep out of it. Can't train people in being civilised, you only make uncivilised people angry.

originally posted by: badw0lf

originally posted by: nwtrucker

originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
a reply to: nwtrucker

I have an Imperialist solution. Invade and conquer some land in the ME. Estalish secular libertarian law under the Bill of Rights. Arm the people. Give them jobs, and make it a safe haven for refugees from other ME nations. Then leave the rest of the ME nations to slaughter each other. Those who don't want to play genocide can find asylum in the US ME colony.

Definitely cheaper and less loss of U.S. life.

Here's another one, make a deal with Iran. No nukes and you can have Iraq! Just support a Kurdistan- you can own the leadership just like you do in Syria and Palestine- and we will leave you to your little Persian Empire.....BUT NO NUKES.

Here's another one.

Leave them to do what they want, keep out of it. Can't train people in being civilised, you only make uncivilised people angry.

Agreed.....except nukes and ICBMs

I don't know what hole you've been living in but the Kurds and Iraqis have been at one another's throats for centuries. The Kurds have been after separation from Iraq for that length of time.
It's just cos the MSM didn't want to highlight the conflict.

originally posted by: crayzeed
I don't know what hole you've been living in but the Kurds and Iraqis have been at one another's throats for centuries. The Kurds have been after separation from Iraq for that length of time.
It's just cos the MSM didn't want to highlight the conflict.

Yes ,IF the U.S, had split Iraq into it's three ethnicities, maintained a military presence to ensure the peace-not unlike Europe, Post WWII- we wouldn't be seeing a renewal of it.

Yawn...crawling back into my hole.

a reply to: nwtrucker
Oh trucker, the hole bit was a figure of speech. Keep making OPs but I think Trump will renege on his words. OIL don't cha know.

originally posted by: crayzeed
a reply to: nwtrucker
Oh trucker, the hole bit was a figure of speech. Keep making OPs but I think Trump will renege on his words. OIL don't cha know.

Yeah, right. Oil. Everyone else is getting a piece of that pie...except the U.S..