Tom DeLonge Anouncement: October 11th 9:00 AM PST/12:00 PM EST

a reply to: SacredLore

As an investor I have written off the significant amount of money that I paid for the shares. I do not regret it, though, because I think what originated at TTSA did have a huge impact and we still have not seen it all.

I hope they are grateful to you and others like you Sacred. Myself, I'd rather give money to "save a turtle"🐢. But I do suspect much more is to come.

Sacred Lore, whatever you gave it was with sincerity and good intentions. And that is always a reward in itself and a contribution never forgotten.

a reply to: Baablacksheep

a reply to: peaceinoutz

Thank you for the acknowledgement!
Appreciated - it would have been easy to make fun of me here. :-)

a reply to: SacredLore

Not me. I surely haven’t been a fan of TTSA but we all have given to groups that haven’t turned out too well, me included. Practically all of us have, it would be impossible not to since interfacing with humanity is filled with pitfalls often, and gladfully sometimes a legitimate group with positive results. As for our contributions, It’s all about one’s intent and sincerity.

And let’s face it TTSA isn’t really any ufo cult group in the mold of some real bad organizations. It's not a cult at all just a moderate expression of a desire to do ufo study. But they really lacked the juice to create a viable ufo research effort. But they can still contribute IMO if they change their outlook, but as of now, they seem to be out of ufology.

I saw what they tried to do. They wanted to create something dynamic, but the problem is much of what they wanted to do had been done, and in ufology, there is no reality scientifically to create anything dynamic because they don't have the capacity technologically to understand UAPs.
So they added entertainment to give it bulk and maybe for them that can work but the dream of disclosure is a phantom, as of now.

a reply to: SacredLore

You welcome. I guess we shall all see what the future brings Sacred.

There was a shareholder meeting of TTSA. You did not even get to ask questions and it was sobering.
It seems to be now "To The Stars" (no more "Academy") and officially - according to their homepage - just an entertainment company.

A far shot from building a starship, which I had earnest hopes for as an investor.
But, frankly, at least this is honest now.

On the brighter side: They still seem to be on good terms with the people who left and the entertainment part looks interesting. So I guess TTS(A) will still be something to keep an eye on for new information.

The 3rd "Sekret Machines" book (the novel) will be out soon and I am very much looking forward to it.

Cool movie:

And finally, a truly interesting interview with Peter Levenda:

originally posted by: SacredLore
There was a shareholder meeting of TTSA. You did not even get to ask questions and it was sobering.

Can you elaborate on the "sobering" comment?

a reply to: Arbitrageur

Apologies, I may have used the word "sobering" in a wrong way (my native tongue is German).
A definition of the word is "making you feel very serious".

What I wanted to express is "disappointed and realizing that my hopes will not come true" (sort of like waking up with a hangover).

Here is a transcript of the TTS annual shareholder meeting 2022.

To elaborate: The disappointing part for me was summed up by Tom DeLonge in one sentence, "We believe that To The Stars is uniquely positioned to be highly successful in the entertainment industry."
When I made my investment I was hoping for TTSA to become a technology company with access to breakthroughs that could literally take us to the stars (and I do not mean our sun). Clean(er) energy technology, space travel, etc.
Had I known that the vision would be reduced to just an entertainment company I would never have invested such a huge sum (for me). Not complaining about the money, I was aware of the risk I took and I assume the responsibility for it. But definitely a disappointment.

If you read the meeting notes, it does not sound all that bad. Who knows what the future brings. The driving force was Elizondo who in my opinion set some things in motion. I would have preferred him to remain with TTS(A).

As for Tom DeLonge I have ambiguous feelings. I still think he is a great musician and artist. Entertainment is is his world. But from his tweets on Twitter it is clear that I disagree with him on fundamental viewpoints. He comes across as a well-adjusted, quadruple-vaccinated, Russian-hating, socialist CIA-lover. While I cannot claim that my opinions are better than his, I still find DeLonge is sorely lacking any kind of rebellious attitude. How would a man like this ever get to the bottom of the biggest mystery in mankind's history when he does not even question obvious government propaganda?
(And I also don't like the fact that he got divorced, I like his wife.)

originally posted by: SacredLore
a reply to: Arbitrageur

Apologies, I may have used the word "sobering" in a wrong way (my native tongue is German).
A definition of the word is "making you feel very serious".

Thanks for explaining. I think your use of the word sobering is perfectly appropriate, but it's only a vaguely descriptive word and I was interested in a more detailed description of why you used it, and your explanation makes sense.

To elaborate: The disappointing part for me was summed up by Tom DeLonge in one sentence, "We believe that To The Stars is uniquely positioned to be highly successful in the entertainment industry."
When I made my investment I was hoping for TTSA to become a technology company with access to breakthroughs that could literally take us to the stars (and I do not mean our sun). Clean(er) energy technology, space travel, etc.
Had I known that the vision would be reduced to just an entertainment company I would never have invested such a huge sum (for me). Not complaining about the money, I was aware of the risk I took and I assume the responsibility for it. But definitely a disappointment.

They did appear to position themselves as more than an entertainment company, for example in this promotional video:


But from my perspective I immediately became suspicious of a psyop perspective from so many angles, for example at 3:00 in that promo video you can hear Jim Semivan saying "These things are real" and only a few seconds later while he's still talking about the "real" things they show a hoaxed video of a triangle UFO. But that wasn't an isolated event. Chris Mellon showed this photo of a mylar balloon and was talking about how it defied the laws of physics, very much seemed like a psyop event to me:

That of course wasn't an isolated incident either, since we also saw Tom Delonge posting things to social media like screenshots from hollywood movies claiming they were actual UFOs, but he wasn't a a former intelligence community (IC) operative so instead of thinking psyop with him I was thinking maybe he was just interested in an entertainment aspect and didn't really care about truth at all. But it seems like maybe the intelligence folks might have been using DeLonge as part of their psyop, and Delonge was certainly aware he was surrounded by IC guys. All that was very early in TTSA history of course, but evidence continued to suggest it may be more than just an entertainment company, but not in the way you had hoped. This previous post talks about how Chris Mellon said the pilots had eyes on the UFOs in the pentagon released videos, but the released documentation contradicts this claim:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Before the Snowden leaks this might have sounded like paranoid conspiracy theory talk, but then Snowden leaked this document giving some insight into how the secret world of psyops works and it even includes some mylar balloon photos similar to the one Chris Mellon displayed in the screenshot above:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: Arbitrageur
So it appears they are putting multiple intelligence agents through these training courses in how to deceive us, and that's reason enough to be suspicious of anything you hear from the intelligence community, isn't it? Mix some facts in with the lies so we can know part of it's true so maybe then we think the lie is true too, by association. That's discussed here, and this is the title on the first page of the slides:

The TTSA staff back then seemed to be heavy with IC folks who might be better suited to IC operations like that, than designing advanced spacecraft which they never really seemed staffed to do, though they did talk about that.

I found it interesting the secret deception world doesn't seem to be as secret anymore, since I saw this video from the military that came out recently:

"GHOSTS IN THE MACHINE
4th PSYOP Group

All the world's a stage.

Join us.

Text "4POG" to 462-769 or visit goarmysof.com"


Why do I think of the former overabundance of IC operatives in TTSA when I read this comment from that video?
"Any deception aims to either increase or decrease the level of uncertainty, or ambiguity, in the mind of the deception target. This ambiguity has the potential to compel the target to mistakenly perceive friendly motives, intentions, capabilities, and vulnerabilities thereby altering the target's assessment."

— FM 3-13.4, ARMY SUPPORT TO MILITARY DECEPTION.

But I think TTSA wasn't the only focus, there's the TTSA task force which claimed in their report last year that they weren't able to identify a "UFO" that internet balloon vendors said looked exactly like one of the batman balloons they sell. John Greenewald has a theory about why they would do that which is right in line with the above quote, but I think TTSA also played it's role, for a time. Maybe it's served its purpose since Elizondo moved on (notably a man with 20 years experience in counterintelligence and was significant to TTSA as you suggest.

The driving force was Elizondo who in my opinion set some things in motion. I would have preferred him to remain with TTS(A).

Yes, Elizondo did seem to be a driving force at TTS(A), I agree, though he seemed to know very little about UFOs and instead had impressive credentials with 20 years experience in counterintelligence operations.

I still find DeLonge is sorely lacking any kind of rebellious attitude. How would a man like this ever get to the bottom of the biggest mystery in mankind's history when he does not even question obvious government propaganda?

Grant Cameron wrote a book called "Managing Magic" in which he talks about DeLonge and other "Messiahs" who have big egos who have been used to funnel such propaganda. He talked about the content of his book in a youtube video which I watched and took notes from, but the video has since been removed.

Some of my notes from the removed video which I assume you can read more about in his book, which I haven't read:
"Grant Cameron has seen the same thing many times, as what's going on with Tom DeLonge

Talks about Bill Moore, the Aviary

Stephen Greer

Tom Delonge

All three had high level sources, were being fed information.

Grant wanted to fight Tom Delonge's nutty evil aliens idea where we would nuke the alien UFOs in outer space.

CIA term is phenomenology, same idea as his "managing magic", title of his book.

Tells story of leaked video of alien UFO at Holloman AFB

The "leaks" are uniquely US phenomenon, no other country does this.

Presidential briefers

Arthur Lundahl involved with Bob Emenegger
Kit Green was briefer until 1983
Ron Pandolfi involved since1983 and still is, not sure of his current role..
Jim Semivan, presidential briefer until 2007, is still involved. He had an "experience" in the 1990s..."

So Grant Cameron apparently thought Tom LeLonge was a tool for dissemination of propaganda, and I can't say he's wrong about that.

a reply to: Arbitrageur

So [is] Elizondo ...a fan of the man trashing his employer and saying they are pushing a false narrative? Or is Zondo just trying to be nice to Greer so Greer will stop trashing TTSA?

I would say you can answer both questions in the affirmative.

a reply to: SacredLore

Yes - distributed widely a couple of weeks ago: A plea for a "...new round of Investing...". One might inquire as to what became of the previous rounds of investing...



Grateful for the excellent reading, all!

First, I want to say, IMO, NO ONE should feel bad about going for this. PLEASE don’t be hard on yourself, for Your heart was in the right place. Chalk it up as a learning experience.

To me, the problem with TTSA from the start was that it was an ego trip and a propaganda operation(psyop) behind all that hoopla about ufo researching and being some kind of High-tech, Spielberg type, Disneyland of entertainment complex all rolled up in one guarantying solving the mysteries of the universe.

Cleary playing on the human innocent desire for such things.

Some of us old-timers knew the characters in the initial organization were not remotely qualified, intellectually or
morally, to do what was promised. Others were less familiar with them and therefore didn’t realize the quality of the members was suspect and would be the last kinds of people to deliver what was promised.

I think we tried to convince folks but we failed in some regard.

Without a doubt, years ago, when I wasn’t hip to the ufo sinister government operation to meddle with ufology (which began after the Robertson panel in 1953) I would have likely gone for what I always considered was a scam along the lines I outlined above.

a reply to: Arbitrageur

Great posting!

This was a fairly sophisticated psyop. People don’t know even the writer selected to co-write the three books on ufo history (we’re waiting for the third book) was carefully selected. Joseph Farrell was asked to join but declined before Peter Levenda joined the party.

Most experienced observers in these matters knew it was a psyop, simply by looking at the early members of the endeavor.

They had a created (by TDL) mythology: that is he groping around for some fellow travelers to go on this epic journey of disclosure with him, and all the “experts” he needed to cement the effort. The problem is that the experts were tainted by past works that defied their legitimacy or expertise(at least morally wise) to engineer the goals of the mythology.

Even on the level of entertainment, there were no real people in TTSA who were experienced in the kind of entertainment they wanted to present to the public, less we presume they were going to create a ufo rock band.

That tells me they weren’t even serious about the entertainment part of TTSA.

a reply to: Arbitrageur

(Sorry for the delay, I am terribly busy, hardly any time for ATS ...)

Thanks for recapitulating the dubious points about TTS(A).
In fact, lack of any good evidence has been the bottom line. As always.

This previous post talks about how Chris Mellon said the pilots had eyes on the UFOs in the pentagon released videos, but the released documentation contradicts this claim:

While I was excited that the videos went mainstream, frankly, I was underwhelmed by their quality.
You would have to be an expert in military equipment in order to determine whether we were really looking at someting inexplicable. Could well be part of the "plausible deniability": When things get out of hand, you can simply debunk these videos with mundane explanations (which likely is the truth).

I never read a book by Grant Cameron, but I have listened to many of his YT videos. He seems honest and his recent approach to interview "experiencers" is valid. But many of them are not really credible for me and the rosy picture most of them paint of ET and the Greys in particular is in stark contrast with how our reality looks.

I have always despised IC organizations. When I was young I read a book about the KGB and was quite shocked. Only to find out a little later that the CIA wasn't any better. These types of organizations are outright criminal and attract people with a cowardly mindset. Those who cannot stand up and have an open fight or discussion. If the CIA and the likes would be abolished in all countries, this would be a better place. There can be intelligence operations, but they must be under the strict control of regular military.

Unfortunately it seems that the biggest mystery of mankind is in the hand of these secretive and cowardly groups.
The question remains what the purpose of all their psyops is. I think TTSA was somehow different and it has lead to the first senate hearings about UFOs in (I think) 40 years. That is something.
Maybe the goal is really to gradually inform the masses that ET exists. But with a lot of effort to avoid mass panic and a system collapse.

Recently I read an interesting tweet about Elizondo:
"Lue says four months ago he was given a reason that convinced him to support UFO amnesty."
I was wondering what that reason could be. Using an analogy: You have a boy who grows up believing in Santa Clause and he himself has children before he finally figures out, at the age of 30, that Santa Clause is just a myth. This is a deeply disturbing and frustrating discovery for him, almost driving him crazy. He is now faced with the problem of what he tells his children...

What if their was contact. But the message of the Greys was something along this line: "You have to reduce the population of Earth to 10% of what it is today because we need this planet for our purposes and our calculations have shown that too many humans will destroy it. You have until the year 2050 to sort this out or we will do it our way."
OK, that would be something that would explain a lot.

I still think that ET is real and that one day the truth will come out.
Just recently a new documentary has come out about what I consider to be maybe the best case of all, the 1994 Ariel school incident in Zimbabwe:
Ariel Phenomenon
I highly, highly recommend renting this video, it is worth the money.

a reply to: Outrageo

I know, I got that mail invitation for a next investment round and it made me laugh!
I was like REALLY tempted, but then I could regain control of my emotions.

Honestly, there are better investments. Even in UFO tech!
I made a little money with Liquidmetal Technologies, Inc. (LQMT) who are rumoured to be in possession of ET technology (Roswell metal).

a reply to: peaceinoutz

Thanks for contributing and the encouragement.
One day the truth will come out. I feel we are in a time where existing power structures are being tested and if they break down, a lot of hidden information will see the light of day. Change is inevitable.

TTSA still has a bunch of neuroscience experts on their advisory board. Something which the media never questioned and the UFO twits completely ignore.

Then there are the of spooks in Semivan (who claims to be ex_CIA but his Linkedin profile had him listed as US Government Accountability Office" for 25 Years) and Puthoff (who for fifty years has produced nothing of worth and plenty of waste) at the helm of what is effectively an entertainment company.

Investors will make no money from this company. DeLonge has effectively conspired with these folk to fritter away investor money on fakery. Then dilute their shareholdings to almost nothing.

What he has done is probably all borderline legitimate. But morally bankrupt.

Don't get fooled again.

a reply to: mirageman

I was wondering why all the fascination for neuroscience and "consciousness". My main interest would be nuts and bolts (as Cameron calls it) because it could help us solve some urgent problems on our planet.
I am all for spiritual things, but I suspect that aliens perform trickery based on physical science that is meant to mislead us. And that the CIA is knee-deep into brainwashing and all that crap is a guaranteed certainty and despicable.

Interesting side note about the 1994 Ariel school incident in Zimbabwe: If you listen closely to what the children say, they describe the movement of the Greys as somehow unreal. Floating, jumping. I was wondering whether that could all have just been some kind of projection, and I mean a technical projection in the literal sense. I am absolutely sure that 60 children do not engage in a coordinated effort to lie and keep up such a lie for decades. They DID experiene exactly what they say. But WHAT it was, is a different question. Could it have been a CIA experiment to test crowd manipulation... who knows.

And, yes, "fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me".
No more TTS investing from my side.
I will buy the 3rd book of the Sekret Machines novel because the first two were great reads.
And I like the music and films that Tom DeLonge comes up with.
But hoping for ROI from this company... not really.