Filling Gaps Left By Trump, Nurses and Labor Unions Join Puerto Rico Relief Efforts

originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
a reply to: FyreByrd

So local authorities finally pulled their finger out after realising that Trump wasn't going to do everything for them?

He sent the aid. What San Juan didn't do with it is their fault frankly. OP is BS.

And what aid was that, do you know.

a reply to: FyreByrd

AGAIN - I am not maligning a Federal Agency - I am ....

Didn't say you were. Merely pointing out the blatant partisanship for what it is.

So...I guess we don't have much else of relevance to discuss at this point.

To those that don't 'like' my source.

Prove it wrong.

Here's another source...

New York unions send workers, thousands in donations to aid hurricane victims in Puerto Rico

www.nydailynews.com...

and another ....

Teamsters organize truckers to move supplies in Puerto Rico

money.cnn.com...

and another ...

US Unions Shame Trump's Efforts with Aid for Puerto Rico

www.telesurtv.net...

And I won't even go to the 'fake' news by the Right so you don't get your delicate panties in a twist.

originally posted by: FyreByrd

originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
a reply to: FyreByrd

So local authorities finally pulled their finger out after realising that Trump wasn't going to do everything for them?

He sent the aid. What San Juan didn't do with it is their fault frankly. OP is BS.

And what aid was that, do you know.

I would hazard a guess that this is a reliable source for you.

edition.cnn.com...

a reply to: seeker1963

You make it sound like some third world country.
They are dealing with starting from scratch. I don't think the issue is skill or motivation. I think it's just that they don't have enough people because everything was destroyed. Every state that needs to restring the power lines after a big storm needs help from surrounding states. I've witnessed it many times living on the Chesapeake bay. It's not unusual at all to need outside help.

the federal government is probably stretched thin right now, massive fires all over the west coast, Houston, Florida and now Puerto Rico who isn't even a state yet

a reply to: RickyD

I can go fetch several stories from the headlines right now if you like. There's a plethora of topics you guys never voluntarily bring to the forums. I guess out of sight out of mind.

a reply to: toysforadults

It's still part of the United States as a commonwealth. They pay taxes to the federal government.
Let's not treat them like red headed step children.

a reply to: Sillyolme

The majority of the problems have been because of poor leadership by local authorities. Trump can't be everywhere, all of the time. Blaming Trump for this is absurd. I don't trust him anymore than you do but so far, he's put on a pretty good show.

originally posted by: toysforadults
the federal government is probably stretched thin right now, massive fires all over the west coast, Houston, Florida and now Puerto Rico who isn't even a state yet

but the responsibility - perhaps even more so because of their lack of state resources - still lies with the federal government.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: RickyD

I can go fetch several stories from the headlines right now if you like. There's a plethora of topics you guys never voluntarily bring to the forums. I guess out of sight out of mind.

That's a wonderful idea ... why don't you do that ... and stick with the thread over time... It is precisely what the 'Breaking News' categories are intended to showcase.

It's not 'you guys', it's 'us guys' if you are a member.

originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
a reply to: Sillyolme

The majority of the problems have been because of poor leadership by local authorities. Trump can't be everywhere, all of the time. Blaming Trump for this is absurd. I don't trust him anymore than you do but so far, he's put on a pretty good show.

Reading good, so from a prior post

The crumbling infrastructure in PR (not to mention the rest of the US) is a direct result of Extractive bi-partisan economic policies of the last forty years (voodoo, trickle-down, neo-liberal, whatever you want to call it).

Puerto Rico's debt and, so called corruption, is the simple corruption that is present in any colonized territory where value is extracted (removed from) the locality while the locals are required to pay for the 'privilege' of that extraction.

Think Wal-Mart. Wal-Mart moves to your smallish town. The town council get wined and dined (and ???? donations) to get permission and tax cuts to build in the city limits. Walmart is happy, the town fathers are happy ($$$$). The Wal-Mart get build. New jobs (bad part-time ones with no benefits - the full time jobs go to out of towners) those jobs aren't enough to contribute to the tax base. Small Mom & Pop (Main Street) can't compete with the prices and go out of business - again putting people on the dole and lowering tax base. And on and on. The revenues generated are taken out of the community and into the pockets of the Walton Family and their cronies with a pitence to their local wage slaves and donations to city fathers... This is the way of extractive economies. So you cannot 'blame' Puerto Rico for acting like any american town.

And shall we come to the personal hardships being experienced in Puerto Rico.

How would you feel, if it was your home, your family, your job, your community, et al - that just got destroyed.

Really people?

originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: FyreByrd

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
What’s missing from your article is any and all efforts by the feds, and thus the assumption that Trump has done a bad job is always taken on assumption.

How the federal government has responded to Puerto Rico since Hurricane Maria

In any natural disaster, the locals need to get together and help each other. In that sense it’s good to see people helping each other instead relying on people from elsewhere–the federal government–to bail them out.

Again, I have offered, now, two examples of COMPETENT disaster responses by our Federal Government. The response in Puerto Rico is not comparable in any way, nor the response in Houston. Don't know about Florida.

This is not about politics - it's about people's (in this case US citizen's) lives.

If it is not about politics, why did you use a source that promotes Social Justice and Progressive causes?

Because I believe that Social Justice and Progress are worthy causes. I believe both are necessary if we are to have a society that can survive.

P.S.

While on the subject - what are the conservative news outlets that you favor? For myself - they do need to document their factual sources (in text or by link or footnote). I 've been asking for good (meaning factual) conservative new aggregators to look at and have never gotten any input.

a reply to: Wide-Eyes

Poor leadership is no power, no vehicles because there's no gas and no phones so they can't communicate.
I guess we could set up Morse code like in independence Day.
People are now drinking from streams because there's no pumps for the water system. How soon before there's cholera there?

a reply to: Wide-Eyes

Ps that's all it is is a show. He's psychotic. He can't connect with people nor even cares to.

a reply to: FyreByrd

No it's not "us guys". It never will be.

a reply to: Sillyolme

I don't think he's psychotic at all. I do think that you want him to be though. I can't quite figure it out, can you help me with that one?

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Wide-Eyes

Poor leadership is no power, no vehicles because there's no gas and no phones so they can't communicate.
I guess we could set up Morse code like in independence Day.
People are now drinking from streams because there's no pumps for the water system. How soon before there's cholera there?

The trucks were sat there fuelled up and ready to go. The drivers just refused to turn up for many reasons but essentially, the local mayor failed and went into hiding.

Why is it such a hard thing for some to grasp...

They are still putting Houston together, and Florida, and the virgin Islands, and now PR, maybe just maybe FEMA is stretched a bit thin, but they are on site and working as is the military.

There really is not much more that can be done, add in the fact that the infrastructure is in many places completely gone, there is no quick remedy here.

Everyone wants to act like all those other disaster areas are already clean and done and the workers can move en mass to PR, life does not work like that get a grip.