Cloning Human Beings

Whether officially acknowledged or not, it is my understanding that human cloning does take place. In such an event, while dna may stay the same, am curious to know whether biometrics like finger prints, retina scans, iris scans will match as well.
Don't know if someone on here has any indepth knowledge about this subject.

a reply to: Hyperboles

No, finger prints, iris patterns etc are different.

Twins are clones of each other, and they have separate prints and patterns, they even have changes in there DNA the more that times goes on, including the environment in the womb during embryonic development.

Official clone or not, those patterns are not dictated fully by DNA, but during embryonic development (they're not hard coded).

a reply to: Hyperboles

Yeah, it's called identical twins!

a reply to: MuonToGluon
Even genetically identical twin's can look quite different, we are grown not molded so as you say the environment affect's us as well.

heres a question i always like to posit when people are unsure if something is happening.


Is there any example in history of humans having the ability to do something but then choosing not to do it?

a reply to: tribal

Going back to the moon

a reply to: MuonToGluon

a reply to: Justso

No! not this thread! >_>

a reply to: MuonToGluon

Ah ok. thanks for your reply

originally posted by: Hyperboles
Whether officially acknowledged or not, it is my understanding that human cloning does take place. In such an event, while dna may stay the same, am curious to know whether biometrics like finger prints, retina scans, iris scans will match as well.

Any biological system like a living body is going to be subject to the whims of chaos, and individual cells will grow and change uniquely within the overall pattern of the body mapped out by DNA.

originally posted by: tribal
Is there any example in history of humans having the ability to do something but then choosing not to do it?

We all individually have the ability to kill a lot of people or destroy buildings or cities. It only happens once in a while. But we could all potentially do it. But we don't. Most of us like living in a society, and are willing to abide by the rules for the benefit of ourselves and our loved ones.

Somewhere in the future it will start as spare body parts: heart, lungs, limbs, organs. things like that and then it will work its way up to the whole body and the Brain and in and in that case with the brain that might give someone immortality as long as they're able to transfer your personality and your memories. watch the movie "The Island ".

If one successfully creates a human clone,

In terms of reincarnation,

What is going to inhabit the empty vessel?

a reply to: Whatsthisthen

The cloned vehicle will remain empty as its new birth is not being sanctioned by the Karmic Lords/Cosmic Board of Karma, so it amounts to a violation of Cosmic Law for it is an interference with the natural order of life. The issue is still a quandary for those who are directing the cloning of new bods - where to get new or spare souls? I read somewhere that the number of souls created are limited by the Creator. In one of Linda M. Howe's videos, she revealed how one abductee saw ETs were able to transfer souls into cloned bodies that were kept in glass pods. The abductee felt deep down that what they were doing was unethical even though these ETs had the technology to do it.

Simon Parkes hinted in one youtube video that Hillary C was cloned and felt sad that she had been badly manipulated - he said that she could get a soul or get back her soul (not sure which as the audio was not clearly recorded) if she sat near/by a fire. In occult literature, the soul is likened to a spark, a fire, or more precisely, it is written that its essential nature originates from fire. Which is of course very interesting as the Chinese character for soul has the underlying radical 'fire' ( 火 ) as part of its composition. It's pronounced as "huo" (= fire)

The character or word in question is 灵. It means "soul" and is pronounced as "ling".

You can delve into the subject by googling up or watching the youtube video programs featuring the whistleblower called "Shane, The Ruiner" who claims to be an ex-Illuminati member. He has made some interesting remarks on the subject of cloning and how it's done. Not sure how much credence to give to his claims though. Check these out:

www.youtube.com...
duckduckgo.com...

a reply to: Rextiberius

Yep, exactly.

Thus cloning is reproductively speaking, doomed to fail.

Perhaps one might get some very degraded "soul" who is willing to live at all costs.

I would think that those who "capture" souls(?) would create Beings outside of karma which would be a big problem.

a reply to: Whatsthisthen

I'm not sure what you mean exactly by "doomed to fail" - It seems that the cloner can exploit the cloned beings for nefarious purposes, so no failure here for the cloner. Where I am, there are still black magicians around who would prey on human blood that get spilt during road accidents. They use a cloth, hankerchief, etc to soak up the blood and then use it in a ritual to conjure up an unnameable horror, a critter [= clone?] that they exploit for personal gain or do mischief. The critter is called "Toyol/Tuyul" locally and often it will carry out its owner's wishes, like stealing from neighbors. They obey the owner so long as they get fed with blood but can turn vicious and attack the owner if denied of sustenance. And yes, the black magicians can also "catch" and entrap souls, leaving the hapless victim in constant depression [dispirited] and kind of lost. Sorcerors are always warned of the dire consequences they will have to undergo if their plans backfire.

You can read more here: en.wikipedia.org...

Without souls, the cloned shells generally behave like automatons and so are easily controlled by the owner. What critically distinguishes a clone from a non-clone is the presence/existence of will/volition, the prime and foremost attribute of Divinity. Hence the value of [total] surrender, the giving up of one's sovereign will which is the underlying meaning of "crucifixion", the dying or death of the ego. In the monastery, the nuns/monks are taught that obedience [= surrender or denial of the will] comes foremost, even before anything holy.

I have to smile at your use of the word soul in quotation marks - "soul". You're right - there's a great deal of confusion in its definition across cultures and it is difficult to use the term without defining or providing the proper context at the same time. Those who dare violate the Law are permitted to do so but will have to eventually bear the big price tag that comes with it.

I read somewhere that ETs have developed a technology that they can use to harvest souls leaving their earthly vehicles and that it's stationed somewhere on the moon. Simon Parkes talks about it and even advises people on how to avoid being tricked by the perpetrators who would get them to re-enter the cycle of rebirth. Comes under "soul recycling", "Soul Harvesting", "Soul Extraction", if you care to google search for it. The following may be of interest to anyone interested in exploring further.

www.youtube.com... [1:32:48]
projectavalon.net...
projectavalon.net...
www.bibliotecapleyades.net...
www.bibliotecapleyades.net...-_La_Cosecha

I see them created to be used as genetic soldiers with no rights.
Which of course means to me they live, so they are to be free ,they aren't to be owned either.

a reply to: Rextiberius

I'm not sure what you mean exactly by "doomed to fail"

My thoughts were in the long term. Say, in a situation where birth rates and/or incarnation rates were falling drastically. If humanity wants to colonise other planets like moon or mars and hit problems.

Short term, well yes. Always those who exploit the vulnerable. Black Magicians, ugh! I've crossed paths with those.

I have to smile at your use of the word soul in quotation marks - "soul". You're right - there's a great deal of confusion in its definition across cultures and it is difficult to use the term without defining or providing the proper context at the same time.

I've my own home grown definition of "soul" which is simply that it is something added to human evolution in the distant past ("Atlantian" sorta feels correct. But again those quotes ). I think we could survive fine without it.

So many things don't feel quite right about what we think as "spirituality" in the broadest of senses.

ETs. Hmmm I dunno about those guys, the whole subject has a mystery about it that "smells". Like there are lies by ommission.

And something suspicious about "Upstairs". I get the distinct impression that hands are tied. That world will almost never say anything about what goes on there.

Without souls, the cloned shells generally behave like automatons and so are easily controlled by the owner. What critically distinguishes a clone from a non-clone is the presence/existence of will/volition, the prime and foremost attribute of Divinity. I Hence the value of [total] surrender, the giving up of one's sovereign will which is the underlying meaning of "crucifixion", the dying or death of the ego. In the monastery, the nuns/monks are taught that obedience [= surrender or denial of the will] comes foremost, even before anything holy.

Just my own view here; I reckon the word Ego gets a raw deal.

Without a sense of self, I am, ego I doubt a Being could survive for long here in this world. To survive here we need to be self aware.

(grin) and appologies to Zen . . .

To become one with a bus, will often prove fatal.

a reply to: Whatsthisthen

OK, I got your point re "doomed to fail" - clones are living entities but what distinguishes them from [ensouled] humans is the level/degree of consciousness possessed, which, in the former, is minimal. Only in the human is found all the seven levels of consciousness, from the gross physical to the most subtle and sublime. All the 14 worlds/dimensions interface with the human vehicle so they can be visited using one's astral body. The next step in evolution for humanity is divinity, hence it is the greatest blessing to get an ensouled human body. The only place where one can get it is on Earth and no where else in the universe, according to the teachings. Those who want to evolve and ascend to divinity have to come down here to humble planet Earth, and to do that, they have to be gifted a body + soul.

Regarding "Ego" - Be careful, brother! Psychological ego is what you are talking about but Ego with a capital 'E' in theosophical context is equated with the [divine, spiritual] Self. Self [with a capital 's' ] and 'self' [with a noncapital 's' ] are worlds apart. The latter is contextualised in the doctrine of egoism, aka the 'I-disease', that is putting oneself, one's desires above those of everyone else, whereas the former is the exact opposite. So the 'death of ego' is a metaphorical expression - putting the interest of the collective or the communal above or before one's [personal] own.

The admonition given to the initiate upon entry to occultism is "Know Thyself". The second lesson following initiation and entry is this: "Forget Thyself" - they sound paradoxical until you realize that there's a play on the 's' in the two utterances. In the first, it should be a capital "S" [referring the divine, spiritual Self], whereas the second refers to the ordinary ego-centeredness, which you say is needed for survival.

Yes, yes, Zen takes it the furtherest point where it removes all the spiritual, divine trappings of the Self, denuding it as it were and taking a hard look at the wonder said to have the brilliance of a million suns. Like peeling an onion, layer by layer, till you reach the centermost and discover that there is nothing there... in short, the world, the small self, the big Self, etc are all in the end only conceptual !!

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a reply to: Rextiberius

Hmm, I did just write a response, but it just turned into a bit of an anti spiritual world rant about how they trash this world. So I deleted it.

So, what I should say is this,

I wish it were as sacred as your words say:

Only in the human is found all the seven levels of consciousness, from the gross physical to the most subtle and sublime. All the 14 worlds/dimensions interface with the human vehicle so they can be visited using one's astral body. The next step in evolution for humanity is divinity, hence it is the greatest blessing to get an ensouled human body. The only place where one can get it is on Earth and no where else in the universe, according to the teachings. Those who want to evolve and ascend to divinity have to come down here to humble planet Earth, and to do that, they have to be gifted a body + soul.

In practice Upstairs and humanity seem to trash this world and the non-human and unseen life here.

The admonition given to the initiate upon entry to occultism is "Know Thyself". The second lesson following initiation and entry is this: "Forget Thyself" - they sound paradoxical until you realize that there's a play on the 's' in the two utterances. In the first, it should be a capital "S" [referring the divine, spiritual Self], whereas the second refers to the ordinary ego-centeredness, which you say is needed for survival.

I'm certainly not an Initiate, probably never will be.

Here's a thought;

"Know Thyself" = Know thy Devic self.

"Forget Thyself" = Forget thy Asura self

Asura = body
Devic = Indweller

The human condition is perhaps the esoteric and ancient Science of Possession in practice?

You can probably guess that my sympathy lays not with the human nor the "people" Upstairs