About the Vegas Killer... newest info

a reply to: pale5218

Here's the stroy and video of Laura's second visit

gotnews.com...

a reply to: Boadicea
Shouldn't some reporter/s have requested those 911 call tapes? Aren't all those calls recorded? How many of the calls came from the hotel? It's seems to me those tapes would be really helpful if a reporter was seriously trying to put together a time line and fill in some of these giant, gaping holes where puzzle pieces should be.

I understand that they are evidence in an investigation but what the heck could they contain that would concern national security?

a reply to: diggindirt

Evidence of a 2nd shooter?
Evidence of a coverup?
Evidence of a botched response by police?
Evidence of a breakdown in communication between the casino and police?

Just off the top of my head...

originally posted by: diggindirt
a reply to: Boadicea
Shouldn't some reporter/s have requested those 911 call tapes? Aren't all those calls recorded? How many of the calls came from the hotel? It's seems to me those tapes would be really helpful if a reporter was seriously trying to put together a time line and fill in some of these giant, gaping holes where puzzle pieces should be.

I understand that they are evidence in an investigation but what the heck could they contain that would concern national security?

You'd think someone would have requested the tapes... and anything and everything else related. Maybe they have been requested, and they've been denied. Some of those calls have to be downright horrifying. But it seems that our fourth estate is quite happy to just pass off the "original reports of multiple shooters is wrong." If you listen to police audio, there are several notices that someone called in a shooter here or shots fired there, so we know there were calls made.

Maybe there was more to the tanks and the JANET airline involved than we know, and that's what has to be kept quiet. I know a couple posters have gone through the victims, and not found anything too unusual. Maybe the real target was someone flying in or out on JANET...

Or maybe this all goes back to a Fed sting that went sideways, and that's what they have to keep quiet.

Maybe this is all actually a strategic plan to let other shooters think they're in the clear while the LE track them down.

Unfortunately, they have so lost the trust and confidence of the people that too many of us just don't believe that. And this isn't helping. If there was only one crazed shooter, and he's dead, there's no one to prosecute... so why not release the info they have?

I don't know what to think at this point.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: diggindirt

Evidence of a 2nd shooter?
Evidence of a coverup?
Evidence of a botched response by police?
Evidence of a breakdown in communication between the casino and police?

Just off the top of my head...

Oh dear... I just looked outside and no pigs are flying... and yet I gave the LE a little more credit than you did! Not much -- just a smidgeon -- but some. Wow. That actually happened!!!

Today's gonna be a shocker -- i can feel it already!!!

originally posted by: stonerwilliam

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: stonerwilliam

I'm not in the UK... and I haven't heard it... but do you recall if the girl gave any more of a description of the woman? Like if she was Hispanic like the woman at the concert?

No just that she was older , at first i thought it was his girlfriend then when it came out she was abroad my c/t antenna went off but nobody seems to have heard it i know

TOP POSTED BOMBSHELL: 20 minutes before the shooting, a Latino man and woman went through the casino, shouting at everyone that a group of Latinos was going to show up and kill everyone. They made it up to the stage area, and the woman shouted it clearly in a way that thousands of people heard the warning. Casino staff then detained the couple and it was "business as usual with two fruit cakes detained" and then a little while later the shooting started.

82.221.129.208...

Seek and ye shall find

Could someone with gun knowledge advise, is it correct that you cannot fire a gun with a bump fire stock on a bi-pod? And is there confirmation that the guns fired were the ones fitted with these attachments?

Sorry another question, seen plenty of pictures of the room but I haven't seen what would be a huge amount of spent bullet cases on the floor if the gunman did indeed fire off 2000 or more rounds. Don't know anything about guns but would presume the floor would be littered with these casings

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: KansasGirl

And Laura mentioned that Campos WAS listed as working for Mandalay Bay but that now those records have been scrubbed.....

Thank you -- I missed that part.

Do you recall if she was speaking of his actual employment with Mandalay Bay in the past tense... or just the records in the past tense?

With Mandalay Bay. She got access to Workday, which is the system they use to keep track of employees' hours, vacation days, etc. he was in the system before but now is not.

a reply to: stonerwilliam

That's quite a website... one could get lost in there! I think I've heard of Jim Stone before. I might have heard him on C2C back in the day.

I never did find the part about the man and woman removed from the concert, but I have heard about that. It seems that one girl celebrating her birthday -- Brianna Hendricks, I think -- is the only person to have spoken publicly about it. I haven't seen it mentioned in any other firsthand accounts. Very intriguing. I wish someone would follow-up.

I found his theory about shots coming from those two towers to be very intriguing as well. Why not? If someone could get up there -- and there's gotta be a way -- then it would work.

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: pale5218

The employee list might be fake.

Well, she says she got it from Workday, and she provides a screenshot of that.

I had a job a year ago that used Workday as its employee tracking/managing system. You had to log in each week to submit your hours worked, etc. I don't think what she provided is a fake list.

Shouldn't you know this? Since you have all of this inside info, Xuenchen?

a reply to: KansasGirl

Thank you -- much appreciated!

That Laura Loomer has someone whispering in her ear... I just wish I knew who. She's getting a whole lot of inside information -- like screen shots -- from Mandalay/MGM.... which is all well and good if it's legit. And she sure seems to find the scoop on everything right before LE admits it or re-writes the story. I don't know about her...

Especially as the war of words seems to escalate between Mandalay/MGM and law enforcement. My worst suspicion is that she's working for the Feds to discredit and fault Mandalay/MGM to cover their sorry butts.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
Vegas cops WERE delayed six minutes: Mandalay Bay didn't tell police about security guard being shot until gunman began firing on music festival, feds confirm

SO MUCH CRAP.

As if the hotel wouldn't call 911 with a security guard shot and possibly dying. As if they would risk a major negligence lawsuit.

And I don't believe for a moment that Jesus Campos (or anyone these days) would not have a cell phone on them. It just doesn't jive with reality. If I was shot, EFF the hotel management...I'd call 911 myself and THEN call the hotel front desk/management.

Can't we just verify when the cops were at least aware, by listening to the scanner recordings of that night?

ETA: I see this question was already asked and addressed by Diggindirt. I didn't read through the thread before I asked...my apologies

a reply to: Boadicea

I did hear it on the morning news in the UK , twice within maybe a hour then nothing , i asked friends and family if they heard the segment on the news but was met with blank stares like it never happened and only i heard it

a reply to: KansasGirl

Well, she says she got it from Workday, and she provides a screenshot of that... I don't think what she provided is a fake list.

Not to speak for anyone but myself, but it's possible that the records were changed for that very purpose -- so that if any intrepid reports -- even citizen reporters -- got hold of the records, his name would be there. Not by Workday, but other nefarious agents.

When you're talking about the FBI and Heaven only knows how many other alphabet agencies, nothing is what it seems. They have the technology, the manpower, the funding, and the motive to make the records say whatever the hell they want them to say. We have no way of knowing what's really going on here, who changed what, etc.

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: stonerwilliam

I found his theory about shots coming from those two towers to be very intriguing as well. Why not? If someone could get up there -- and there's gotta be a way -- then it would work.

The towers stand 200 feet tall, and have mechanical access doors and an interior stairwell inside of them for providing service access to the ferris wheel hub.

a reply to: KansasGirl

Can't we just verify when the cops were at least aware, by listening to the scanner recordings of that night?

According to the police audio, the first officer to call in shots fired was at 10:08 -- three minutes after the shooting started at the concert. I'm certainly not going to fault the officers on the ground for this -- they had their hands full. But it does seem odd that police didn't call for backup immediately.

Audio doesn't say when the first civilian call came in. Throughout the audio, you hear the dispatcher transmit reports of shots fired from various places, but the civilian calls are not heard. And I'm not sure the location of the calls could really be pinpointed either, since no doubt many calls to police were on cell phones.

a reply to: stonerwilliam

The towers stand 200 feet tall, and have mechanical access doors and an interior stairwell inside of them for providing service access to the ferris wheel hub.

I have to confess, I didn't even know there were any such towers so close to the venue. And I haven't read or heard a peep about it in the press. I don't get that. It is a possibility, so it should have at least been touched upon by someone somewhere...

And they are much closer to the venue -- and the airport tanks -- than the Mandalay Bay windows. I have heard that some of the injuries reported -- like heads being blown off -- could only have happened if the shots were fired at a much closer range than four football fields away. This was in the context of possible shooters on the ground in the venue. But it seems to me that this vantage point would be much closer range and possibly explain such injuries? (What I don't know about guns would fill a library!)

originally posted by: xuenchen
New story from somebody that got shot and lived.

Gates were locked !!!!

Las Vegas Shooting Victim: “There Was 100% More Than One Shooter,” Gates To Concert Were Locked Shortly Before Attack

Ok guys: this guy claims all of the gates at the concert venue were closed and locked at 10pm. This is a yuuuuuuuuge thing, if true, because it strongly suggests someone was trying to keep the people contained once the shooting started.

Can we confirm this "gates were locked" narrative? I have big doubts about it. I've read a accounts of others saying this too, but haven't seen any video showing this. And isn't there video of folks streaming out of one of the gates onto the street? Was that gate locked? Did it get breached or unlocked by the time that person started recording?

I just suspect that this locked gates story is a rumor that even those that were there are repeating as true. Have any of us seen any evidence on this claim?

For anyone wondering, this is what StonerWilliam and I are talking about:

HUGE TWIST:

Mike Adams bullet trajectory analysis, when pegged down to a specific location, matches the abandoned Skyvue towers perfectly.

The Skyvue towers are what is left of an abandoned ferris wheel project that started five years ago.

Note: I don't know if the Mike Adams referred to is the "Health Ranger" at Natural News... or if it's the Mike Adams that writes for Townhall occasionally.

These towers are so close to the concert that they are considered to be at near point blank range for a basic 5.56 round (not even an updated boosted one.) Their much closer proximity to the concert would explain why the gunfire was so loud. Their position also would explain why people in the videos appear to have had temporary shelter in front of the stage until gunmen opened fire from other angles. Their position also would explain why the performers and people back stage said they first became aware of the shooting when bullets started hitting the roof

There is an excellent view of the towers in relation to the Mandalay Bay here. The concert venue would be just across the street to the right (out of picture), or the north side of the towers.

ETA: Link to Source -- scroll down the page to section entitled: "Huge Twist".

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: KansasGirl

Well, she says she got it from Workday, and she provides a screenshot of that... I don't think what she provided is a fake list.

Not to speak for anyone but myself, but it's possible that the records were changed for that very purpose -- so that if any intrepid reports -- even citizen reporters -- got hold of the records, his name would be there. Not by Workday, but other nefarious agents.

When you're talking about the FBI and Heaven only knows how many other alphabet agencies, nothing is what it seems. They have the technology, the manpower, the funding, and the motive to make the records say whatever the hell they want them to say. We have no way of knowing what's really going on here, who changed what, etc.

Yes. But her screenshot showed that he was NO longer in Workday. So, changed by someone!