About the Vegas Killer... newest info

originally posted by: Willtell

www.nytimes.com...

‘I Was Just Going to Bed When the Shooting Started’

LAS VEGAS — Floyd Conrade, 50, a storage administrator for information technology from Emporia, Kan., checked into the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino in Las Vegas on Sunday night. He was in town for a four-day conference, and assigned to Room 31-134.

He, of course, had no idea what was being planned directly over his head. Hours later, a man on the floor above — in the conjoined rooms of 32-134 (a standard room) and 32-135 (a 1,705-square-foot suite) opened fire on a crowd attending a country music concert across South Las Vegas Boulevard. In each room, the man, Stephen Paddock, broke a floor-to-ceiling window to commit the massacre.

Good link for the timeline...



What's Interesting, this guy DIDN’T call 911 when he knew the shooting was coming from above him

Q: What did you do once you realized it was a gunman just above you?

A: At that point, I stayed away from the window, in case anybody decided to return fire. It was like, let’s put something between me and the window. Once everything quieted down, I went and looked back out the window a little.

From that article:

Q: Where were you when the shooting began?

A: I was just kicking back for the night, getting ready for bed. I heard the first volley go off. Like everyone else says, it sounded like fireworks. I went over the window and looked out over at the concert venue, and I didn’t see any fireworks. It was about the third volley that it kicked in that it was something more than fireworks.
Q: Could you tell it was right above you?
A: About the third time, it was really loud, right above me. My assumption is that was when he went over to the other window. That’s when I started hearing the actual echoes. Echoed from the reports off the outside of the building, I guess. It was much louder, much more intense. I could actually hear debris hit my window.

Now that the timeline has been revised, this account makes sense. If the first two "volleys" were shot down the hallway at the security guard, there wouldn't have been an outside echo. He says it was the third volley before he caught onto the fact that it was above because "I could actually hear debris hit my window."

Now, does anyone have a handy link to a video taken from the venue that starts 5 minutes before the first shots are fired into the crowd? I saw one posted here somewhere that included the songs before the volleys started. Now they're saying that the first volleys went down the hallway. If so, were those volleys not heard from outside at all? I would think they would be muffled by the sound of the concert....

Any links handy?

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: MotherMayEye

I didn't. I dunno if M is the same guy.

Paradise 22 is ran by a Peggy Paddock.

Paradise Ranch 21 and the Auto Sales place...


same addresses w/Paddocks as owners:

Stephen Paddock using an alias, like as not. We already know he had multiple addresses and moved between them. What's a false name to someone like that?

I think the blurring of his identity and whereabouts are themselves significant. If this guy was an amateur, he was going to a lot of effort to throw nobody in particular off his scent!

a reply to: MotherMayEye

Oh, wait---are these businesses listed as the same address as the shooter's homes? I thought his homes were in Reno and Mesquite? I see only the Las Vegas address on those web sites. Did he also own property in Vegas?

Am I confused? Has the story taken another turn while I was looking for videos?

originally posted by: KansasGirl

originally posted by: diggindirt
a reply to: xuenchen


Then they claimed they were being very quiet as they were prying the metal bar put on the stairway door off. Huh? Then sneaked up to the door quietly and put the explosive charge on it....

It's as if they forgot they told us he had cameras that showed him the hallway outside his room...

Ah, but then they said that he went to all that trouble and expense and then didn't turn them on. I find that a bit of a stretch. I'm just going to have to go back and review the press conferences one by one. But first I'm gonna find my Beloved's big ole foul weather boots and put them on....it's getting deep!

originally posted by: diggindirt

originally posted by: KansasGirl

originally posted by: diggindirt
a reply to: xuenchen


Then they claimed they were being very quiet as they were prying the metal bar put on the stairway door off. Huh? Then sneaked up to the door quietly and put the explosive charge on it....

It's as if they forgot they told us he had cameras that showed him the hallway outside his room...

Ah, but then they said that he went to all that trouble and expense and then didn't turn them on. I find that a bit of a stretch. !

Well shoot. I guess I missed that "fact" from them. So how did they explain he was alerted to the security guard's prescence in the hall?

a reply to: KansasGirl

I'm not sure of anything anymore. At the press conference today they said that the guard heard drilling as he was investigating an open door alarm, not the door of the shooter but another door. And for the first time a maintenance man pops into the picture who is saved by the guard.

Now, if the elevator door were propped open I'm fairly certain that an alarm would sound somewhere and a maintenance man would be dispatched. Or---if, as one story went, the security guard tried to enter the floor via the stairs and found that the stairway door wouldn't open, a maintenance man would be alerted. I'm still not clear on the metal bar placement on the stair door.

Anyhow---here's the link to today's presser: www.youtube.com... The discussion of the changing timeline begins at about 7 minutes into it.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: gps777

Wha?

How long do you think he was standing up after he shot himself in the mouth? He would have fallen virtually immediately. There is zero blood on the floor around his shoes.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this because your explanation defies the laws of physics and doesn't mesh with what the photos show.

Well maybe its your MotherEye that allows you to view through him and see the floor under him defying the laws of physics or have the ability to see exactly where he was when he pulled the trigger and to think no blood would come spirit out of an entry wound onto his hand and gun and also downward your ignoring the force of blood still pumping out and gravity.

I also said we don`t know if he was standing kneeling or leaning forward,you don`t, I don`t yet you have it all figured out put words in my mouth that I didn`t say like you`ve done before in this discussion, so continue to believe what you like common sense and honesty escapes you.

www.youtube.com...

This video is just before the shooting starts. I changed my mind about the three shots being used to break open the windows. The rationale is that if the windows were sealed, the shots would not be heard so well, if at all.

Now if you watch this video, at 3:11 is when the first of the three single shots were fired, 3-5 secs apart. At 3:40 the crowd is evacuating in a rushed manner. This seems odd because the first round of the rapid fire in the video starts at 3:51. Many of the videos I have seen, the start of the rapid fire shooting is just after the song starts up. The song starts at 3:41 of the video which would collaborate with all the other videos.

Something has already happened because at 3:40, as the crowd is obviously exiting quickly, either the person taking the video or someone next to them ask "Whats going on". When the rapid fire starts at 3:51, the crowd starts running out.

Were those three single shots placed into the crowd? I think something surely has occurred before the first round of rapid fire.

What gets me about this whole story is how the media seems to be working really hard to make trivial details seem important. The only thing I see about this guy that is all that unusual is his gambling habit. Most of the other details about his lifestyle are not all that unusual. Like the fact that he was a night person. Lots of people are night people. That doesn't seem to be an important detail to me, considering there are millions of night people who will never be mass shooters or killers of any kind.

Seems like it would make more sense to be looking for things that actually seem relevant to what he did. Like I would be interested to know if he ever played a lot of shooter video games. You could look at that as perhaps some kind of warning sign if someone was constantly playing violent video games. Doesn't necessarily mean anything but it means more than the fact that he likes the night life.

Of course having a large gun collection probably isn't all that common but it's not really going to raise a red flag if you have known someone for decades who has always been a gun collector. You don't really expect that kind of person to just snap unless they have a history of violent or unpredictable behavior. You just figure they like to collect and shoot guns. Plenty of those types of people who are not mass murderers and never will be. Not really normal but not all that big of a predictor either.

I have a feeling they're just coming up empty on the motive for this. No one who knew him seems to have a clue what the motive might have been. If he seemed like a decent person to everyone who knew him then really the only big red flag was the fact that he had a big gun collection. That and he liked to gamble and seemed to be winning at it. It seems unusual for someone to actually be able to sustain such a habit for very long, since casinos don't seem to be the sort of businesses where they want to let you win enough to live on.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

Nope just 1 off duty cop as far as I could see

a reply to: MotherMayEye

ooh more coincidences....shame I dont' believe in coincidences otherwise this would be all wrapped up! lol

a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

I am not sure about a gun deal, though that is possible. For e, it seems more likely that the guns were there to make the scene more shocking, so that people would push for ore gun control, and more "security", etc.

That might be more true than either of us realize! My best guess at this point is that the security guards do have something to do with this, hence the reports of shooters with security jackets/vests and being chased by other security. If it's the security guard union behind this, then I guess that's exactly what they would want -- for folks to be so scared and intimidated they scream for more security... as in security guards.

Either way, I agree, he wasn't working alone, and it's quite possible some in government were involved. Not certain, by any means, as it could be antifa types or ISIS, or some other group as yet unnamed.

My bet is on the unnamed group...

Most interesting, too, I just heard on the news that the security guard was shot BEFORE shots were fired at he concert goers. So, even more opportunity for the guy to flee, and why did the guard not report this to police, and only tell them after they arrived on that floor?? What, no means of communication with the Front Desk? Makes no sense at all!!

That's just crazy. From one story to the exact opposite? It didn't make sense before, and makes even less sense now!

Campos immediately called in to the casino’s dispatch to report on the shooter’s location — and other guards and cops were then able to rush to the location and draw Paddock’s fire.

“We would not have engaged this individual in the time lapse we did without [the security guard​’​s] assistance,” Las Vegas Sheriff Joseph Lombardo told the news outlet.

nypost.com...

So he calls and they end up there 18 or more minutes later?

Was the 200 shot shootout with the security guard who had no fire arm?

9:59 p.m.: Hotel security guard is shot by Paddock on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino.

10:05 p.m.: First shots fired on music festival. This was seen on closed-circuit television from the concert venue.

10:12 p.m.: First two officers arrive on the 31st floor and announce that the gunfire is coming from directly above them.

10:15 p.m.: The last shots are fired by Paddock.

10:17 p.m.: The first two officers arrive on the 32nd floor.

10:18 p.m.: Security officer tells police he was shot and gives location of the gunman’s room

www.latimes.com...

a reply to: pale5218

Were those three single shots placed into the crowd? I think something surely has occurred before the first round of rapid fire.

There were also reports of at least two shooters within the venue itself. Perhaps the initial response was from shooting within. Perhaps those first three shots were the signal to shooters on the ground to start shooting?

a reply to: Boadicea

Who really rented room 134...Brian Hodges says he did. He is Australian as is Paddlock girlfriend Marilou. Picture of Hodges at link...


www.couriermail.com.au...

a reply to: BrianFlanders

What gets me about this whole story is how the media seems to be working really hard to make trivial details seem important.

Because it keeps people focused on -- and arguing about -- Stephen Paddock. Was he psychotic? Did his meds go to his head? Gasp! Did he like rough sex???

In the grand scheme of things, Stephen Paddock is a nobody.

Try this:
Campos and/or the maintenance guy were 'inside men' involved with helping Paddock.

The hotel wants ONLY Paddock responsible for upcoming lawsuit reasons.

originally posted by: judydawg
a reply to: Boadicea

Who really rented room 134...Brian Hodges says he did. He is Australian as is Paddlock girlfriend Marilou. Picture of Hodges at link...

www.couriermail.com.au...

Yes!!! I haven't had a chance to sit down and really examine that yet... but I noticed the same thing.

In the audio and the reports of the officers storming the room, they clearly state that they have to blast the door to the adjoining room because it's locked from the other side.

We only "know" that the adjoining rooms were reserved by Paddock because the police told us that... maybe it's not true.

The story keeps changing so much it's a moving target itself!

I hate to do this, but I have to, if for no other reason than for the innocent victims...

With this latest revelation about Campos, it completely renders null and void the notion that Campos "doesn't exist". So all the pages and pages of the cryptic/dramatic 'CLUE' "game" here over the past couple days was all for not. And, this is why I bowed out when I did.

We can now plainly see, Campos (whoever he is) is a real person and involved somehow. His real name might be different, but this individual was definitely there, and wasn't some fictional character (as some have alleged). There's absolutely NO way the official story would change in this dramatic of a fashion if this individual was not actually present. It simply does not follow in logic (any logic).

Sorry.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Possibly the "maintenance guy" was just added to the narrative to provide an eye witness for Campos.