About the Vegas Killer... newest info

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Far too many questions here.

Exactly -- because we have far too little hard information! It's like we're getting just enough to address contradictions and discrepancies the public starts questioning as they come about... as if this is all being made up as they go along. A story to fit the known evidence so to speak.

Instead of addressing all your very valid points, I'll tell you my theory, which will probably answer most of them anyway... and then we can go from there...

I think Paddock was working for one of the Fed agencies -- my best guess would be ATF, then FBI. Maybe part-time, maybe freelance on an as-needed basis... but I think his personal habits of gambling and gun trading made it totally reasonable and even expected that he would be spending time in Vegas, where he could be valuable for the Feds, and already had a history with the Feds, and they took advantage of it. At some point, Paddock turned from accountant/auditor to agent.

The night of the rampage, I think the Feds had arranged for a meeting between him and some shady characters, and the cameras were to record the meeting. (For all we know, FBI agents were in those adjoining rooms.) Paddock brought all those guns for display for the "buyers" and then say, "This is what we can get; which ones do you want and how many?" Then it went sideways. The "buyers" turned out to be terrorists and ambush Paddock and do their dirty deed that they have planned out well.

My best bet is that Paddock had done business with them before. And probably from that room or another one with the same vantage point, because those are the rooms Mandalay Bay comps to their high-rollers -- and Paddock was known for making the most of those freebies. So the killers had probably the scoped the suites out in a previous meeting, and planned their attack, then set up a meeting with Paddock like so many times before, and ambushed Paddock.

And I'm not even sure it was really Paddock, but another FBI agent doing the same thing Paddock has done, in order not to blow the agent's cover -- and any other connections or deals or whatever going on, not to mention their investigation -- both what they were investigating before, and now investigating the attack. And just so that the public doesn't find out about their role in all this.

I have no doubt there were multiple shooters -- probably in the hotel suite, and very likely the hotel, and all up and down the Strip. And it had to have been planned. I don't believe for a minute that Paddock did this alone, and I doubt he did it at all. No one did this alone.

So who did do it? That's the next question!

I am not sure about a gun deal, though that is possible. For e, it seems more likely that the guns were there to make the scene more shocking, so that people would push for ore gun control, and more "security", etc. Either way, I agree, he wasn't working alone, and it's quite possible some in government were involved. Not certain, by any means, as it could be antifa types or ISIS, or some other group as yet unnamed.

Most interesting, too, I just heard on the news that the security guard was shot BEFORE shots were fired at he concert goers. So, even more opportunity for the guy to flee, and why did the guard not report this to police, and only tell them after they arrived on that floor?? What, no means of communication with the Front Desk? Makes no sense at all!!

What do you folks make of this and if anyone is from or familiar with LV, I'd like to know.

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originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes

originally posted by: Dudemo5
What I find strangest is the house with no furniture and the fridge-sized safe full of guns. Who lives in a house like that? I guess the answer is: someone who's going to snap and start murdering strangers.

Simple answer - no one does. Seems the house was set up to look weird, and to make him seem kookier, when all was revealed. Perhaps there is a simpler reason that the neighbors didn't really seem to know either of them. They didn't actually live there at all.

I am recalling the Lanza house where there wasn't even a junk drawer or a junky space to collect crap like matchbooks or paper clips or thumbtacks or pens or parts of *stuff* that's broken off things and you are saving to fix later.

Or maybe I am just a slob and so is everyone else I know.

Good comparison!! That room was off in a lot of ways! Now, we have an entire house with no furniture?? Even the neatest people have stuff stored, for whatever reason, and have some furniture. Yet here, nothing but guns and explosives? The place is a set, for a play.

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: diggindirt

Keep in mind the whole thing is a ruse.

That way it's easier to understand.

Eventually somebody will come up with a better answer for the "Why" and the "Motive" and the "Who".

Hmmm...well I've already seen a lot of stories saying he was "mean to his girlfriend" (un-named source), liked rough sex after he'd had a big win at the casino (un-named source), was a "grumpy" neighbor (un-named source), heavy drinker---didn't drink at all when gambling.... And I'm not surprised. It's like the story of the woman telling everyone they were about to die....but that story was walked back for lack of facts as well...

I haven't a clue as yet. All I know is that a whole bunch of people died and a bunch more will never be the same. Like the doc from a few miles down the road from me---the doc and her husband were celebrating their first wedding anniversary when he was killed by gunfire at the concert. I know that the cops say they found a dead man in a hotel room with a lot of guns, ammo, cameras and electronic devices. That's about all that has remained constant in this tale. Dead guy & guns & ammo.

I have no problem believing that he carried it off alone if that's what the evidence shows. I have no doubt that he could bring all that stuff up and stash it in his room. I have no problem believing that he could have shot those people from his window. From a physical point of view I can accept those theories. I have no problem believing he was physically capable of those actions.

I know there are people swearing up and down there were multiple shooters but I have yet to see any actual evidence of that theory. Sorry but the comparisons of Youtube videos of different types of rifles being shot, being filmed close-up, are not equivalent to hearing shots coming AT YOU from a vast distance. Since it seems that about 1 of every 3 people at the concert had a cell phone videoing the event, someone should have gotten CLEAR footage of other shooters. This isn't 1963 when it was a whale of a job to get footage of an event.

Having said all that---I know the FBI to be liars when it suits their purpose. I'm old enough to remember Watergate. I was around when Ruby Ridge happened.... I knew a fellow who was one of the investigators of the Franklin scandal. Knew a fellow that was involved in the "Boptrot" scandal as an investigator. I don't accept the official account of any of those incidents but at least back then there were actual journalists who were asking probing questions. It just seems to me today that all the "journalists" or "reporters" are only trying to steer the narrative to the pet theory they've developed. That's not the way I was trained. Sure, we always had a hypothesis but we were taught to discard our hypothesis if the evidence didn't support it.

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes

originally posted by: Dudemo5
What I find strangest is the house with no furniture and the fridge-sized safe full of guns. Who lives in a house like that? I guess the answer is: someone who's going to snap and start murdering strangers.

Simple answer - no one does. Seems the house was set up to look weird, and to make him seem kookier, when all was revealed. Perhaps there is a simpler reason that the neighbors didn't really seem to know either of them. They didn't actually live there at all.

Usually the news media would be all over the neighbors, prodding them for any tidbits. Has any media interviewed the people within Paddock's town...Mesquite, NV.?

If they have, I haven't read about it. All I have heard about are comments from people near the house in Reno, with guns and explosives, and no furniture. What about all of the other addresses he supposedly had? No neighbors for those?

a reply to: Willtell

Because the shooting stopped - lasted about 10 minutes

LVPD said if the shooting had continued would have made entry and taken him down

Add to that the wires from food cart leading to possibility had rigged the doors with explosives/booby traps

Were able to take time - clear people from their rooms on the floor

What about this:

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a reply to: queenofswords

The next theme will be the "Hunt for Red October".

a reply to: loam

Speaking of which, has anyone reported how the windows were broken? Did he have a sledge hammer or something?

Yes - had a small sledge hammer (about 4 lbs)

Can see it some of the pictures of the interior

Still nothing, how about Peggy Paddock?

originally posted by: JinMI
What do you folks make of this and if anyone is from or familiar with LV, I'd like to know.

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Very very interesting!!

a reply to: TinySickTears

George Metesky aka Mad Bomber

Set off series of bomb for 16 years in New York City during 1940/1950's

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Then there is the UNABOMBER ......

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originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: diggindirt

Keep in mind the whole thing is a ruse.

That way it's easier to understand.

Eventually somebody will come up with a better answer for the "Why" and the "Motive" and the "Who".

Sorry, I don't agree that the whole thing was a ruse. A fine young man who was a very kind and compassionate nurse is dead and his wife will never be the same doctor she was on Saturday. Somebody shot him in Vegas on October 1. I want the cops to convince me that the guy in room was the shooter and so far, they're making a shoddy job of it.

I don't WANT to believe that our government had anything to do with this but simple logic tells me otherwise. I've studied conspiracies all my life because I was only 9 years old when John F. Kennedy was shot in the head in Dallas. Even as a ten-year-old I couldn't wrap my head around the official story of that incident.

Man, I miss Jim Marrs.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: KansasGirl

These tumors CAN cause aberrant behavior...but sometimes they don't.

Thanks for the info.

I do not disagree.

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ETA: Did you think I did?

I guess I thought you were pretty convinced that a lot of these things were due to brain tumors. I apologize if I misunderstood.

originally posted by: firerescue
a reply to: Willtell

Because the shooting stopped - lasted about 10 minutes

LVPD said if the shooting had continued would have made entry and taken him down

Add to that the wires from food cart leading to possibility had rigged the doors with explosives/booby traps

Were able to take time - clear people from their rooms on the floor

But today at the press conference the sheriff changed the story. Now the guard was shot before any shots were fired out the window. There's a link to the presser a few pages back.

I could understand they took a little time in preparing to enter a killers lair, but clear the floor?

What does that mean?

Get everybody off the floor?

Maybe its reasonable, I'm not a professional security agent. But in light of what he had done, it still make little sense.

a reply to: Willtell


Because numb nutz rifle rounds can easily penetrate multiple layers of sheetrock ........

In a gun fight against a guy with this arsenal can have stray rounds flying all over the floor

Possibility of casualties among hotel guests is high

or

Would you just leave them there as collateral damage ??

According to Sheriff Lombardo, Paddock had "protective gear" in the room to use in his getaway.
theweek.com...

I wonder what "protective gear" refers to? All the getaway planning, but Paddock commits suicide?

If he had mental issues, looking for rationality is probably just a frustrating waste of time...sigh.

a reply to: carewemust

Gas mask against tear gas ??

Ballistic vest ???

a reply to: diggindirt

The deaths and injuries are real.

The players, as being reported so far, are not.