About the Vegas Killer... newest info

a reply to: diggindirt

I said I was probably heartless. (ETA: Actually, I am not heartless. I just don't fall for BS manipulation, like this so easily. So, sorry, not sorry.)

I had a hard time sympathizing with him. I realize an off-duty police officer was killed while attending the concert. The two officers Lombardo mentioned were wounded though, not killed. I didn't like the way he worked them into the press conference at the end, either!

I just think Lombardo answers to the public. And he refused to be questioned. I don't care how upset he seemed during this particular press conference, he is not above being questioned. He came off as manipulative to me. He evaded scrutiny with emotional ploys. He expects no one to doubt the investigation but he does expect many witnesses to be doubted.

I thought his behavior was unacceptable.


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ETA:

I missed your 'note:'

NOTE: I'm not saying that there is no conspiracy, move on folks... I'm still open to a lot of ideas but I don't think bashing the sheriff gains us any knowledge at all. When I try to imagine what he must be experiencing, I simply can't. Only once have I experienced the violent death of two people close to me at the same time. I was dazed and befuddled for days, even weeks, after that event. So when I try to imagine myself having to not only just carry on with my duties, but do it front of the world---I can't wrap my mind around it.

I think 'bashing' is a mischaracterization.

The man is a public servant. He should have been COMPOSED and thoroughly prepared to answer questions...not prepared to make himself sympathetic and discuss how offended he is by doubts and lack of confidence! He was armed with stories about two officers wounded but not armed with information and willing to answer questions.

Jeez. I do not feel bad criticizing him and this press conference.

Not at all!

Why isn't the public holding the investigators' feet to the flames? Ug.

Sorry, but I won't be guilted into just feeling so bad and keeping my mouth shut. I have three kids. This isn't my first time at a rodeo, like this. I've lost both parents and other close family. Some recently. I've had tragedy here, there...some really awful.

Good god. I won't be manipulated.

originally posted by: jadedANDcynical
a reply to: MotherMayEye

The SPFPA is representing Campos. David Hickey has been the one to speak on his behalf, so far.

I think they must have been at least partly behind him "bolting" from the scheduled interviews.

If so, how and when did he get there from wherever he is living without being hounded by every media conglomerate in existence?

Is he being hounded, though? Is the media even talking about the story, much less Campos, anymore?

I took that statement to mean that nothing in the timeline following breaching of the door had changed. No reason to endlessly repeat what has already been said.

a reply to: diggindirt

It was apparent that's how it was supposed to be received. We all already know what happened when the police came and started evacuating people so no need to discuss.

But, we don't know jack squat about those events, really.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: diggindirt

It was apparent that's how it was supposed to be received. We all already know what happened when the police came and started evacuating people so no need to discuss.

But, we don't know jack squat about those events, really.

I hate to say it but I agree.

If, when all is said and done and we find out that what Lombardo has been telling us is all true, then I will eat my words.

I halfway suspect Lombardo's hands are tied, anyway. I mean that spook always a foot and a half away from him, staring through the back of his head at every conference, saying nothing except that bizarre "One October" business. I certainly can try to imagine the pressure Lombardo is under.

I just think it's a real bad sign when an authority figure gets upset with you for questioning them! Especially when it's a public servant!

Not good!

Yes, he said info would change...I get it. But maybe he should put himself in OUR shoes. The public, who have been lied to time and again, and yet here they are, not able to nail down when a security guard in camera-filled Las Vegas was shot.

We aren't allowed to ask questions because he told us first that info would change?

I'm going to keep saying this theory of mine: they already know what happened. Someone in those 3-letter agencies knows, and if Lombardo doesn't know because he's been blocked from his own city's investigation, then I guess he can't find a way to communicate that to the public? Is that it?

Has this video been posted yet? It begins way before shooting begins. Sorry if it has been seen, there are some security guards and PD throughout the video.

www.liveleak.com...

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: judydawg
a reply to: Boadicea

Some more ....lady that works for Paddlock

youtu.be...

Did they report only 8 people remain hospitalized? That's not what I thought Lombardo said this afternoon.

Also, the 'former employee' acted like a total flake.

Soooo, if you found out that a guy you'd worked for, hung out with, called a friend and known to you only as a nice guy had done this horrific deed----you wouldn't be flaked out?

Can we all step back for just a moment and try to gather a bit of empathy for these folks who never sought to be associated with a mass shooter? Maybe these people are all "planted" disinformation agents but I see real distress in that lady, real conflict in being presented a scenario that she couldn't imagine.

originally posted by: KansasGirl

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: sg1642

Tracer doesn't ignite fuel.

And I sure can't speak for what was in the shooter's head, but I know "experts" have definitively said the tanks were targeted, so maybe the shooter wrongly believed it and tried.

Well...Lombardo/FBI/CIA/DHS said they think the fuel tanks were intentionally targeted, so I think that's pretty good reason to believe that they were NOT.

I saw a livestream showing a big bullet hole in the side of the one tank. It had a burn mark all around it, hit dead center....so yeah.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

I agree on many of your points. I would expect him to answer questions as well. But think about the quality of the questions he's gotten so far--- I don't see anyone praising the questions being asked at these briefing, rather there has been much comment on the inanity of the reporting. So I can understand that he would feel he was wasting his time out there answering the same question over and over.

Reporter: Why did you change your story?
Sheriff: Because our information changed. I've said all along that the story will change as our information grows.
Reporter: Why did you change your story?
Sheriff: Because our information changed. I've said all along that the story will change as our information grows.
Repeat....time after time.

But again, please try to take some time to reflect on what would happen in your life and what your behavior might be if you had the absolute worst day of your life and had to go to work every day with the public, the media and the feds watching and dissecting every word, every phrase, every nuance of every press briefing. I don't see the sheriff as a weasel. I don't extend my trust toward that agent however. He makes me want to reach for the tinfoil hat.

a reply to: MotherMayEye
Yes, I've been asking those questions. Many people want to know that part of the tale.

The press hasn't been asking those questions. Have you seen one press interview with a confirmed guest that was escorted out? Wouldn't you think there would be at least a couple of people who could be found who were evacuated so the breaching team could proceed?

originally posted by: FlyingFox

originally posted by: KansasGirl

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: sg1642

Tracer doesn't ignite fuel.

And I sure can't speak for what was in the shooter's head, but I know "experts" have definitively said the tanks were targeted, so maybe the shooter wrongly believed it and tried.

Well...Lombardo/FBI/CIA/DHS said they think the fuel tanks were intentionally targeted, so I think that's pretty good reason to believe that they were NOT.

I saw a livestream showing a big bullet hole in the side of the one tank. It had a burn mark all around it, hit dead center....so yeah.

I was being a bit facetious .....so yeah.

a reply to: KansasGirl

I halfway suspect Lombardo's hands are tied, anyway. I mean that spook always a foot and a half away from him, staring through the back of his head at every conference, saying nothing except that bizarre "One October" business. I certainly can try to imagine the pressure Lombardo is under.

This! I agree completely.

I just don't think he was upset at being questioned about the facts of the case. I think he was upset that charges of incompetence were being flung out there because, as promised, when he found different information, he relayed that different information. Humans make mistakes. They are far more prone to make mistakes in the wake of a situation like this.

I've been involved in disaster drills on many occasions. Even in a highly planned operation, people will make honest mistakes that are only uncovered when the final details come together in the reports filed after the event.

I think he got tired of the "Gotcha" attitude of some of the media. I can't say I blame him. They spent their time asking him about his feelings on this and that and his speculation, not asking about evidence. He told them what he could, and told them that he wasn't telling them all he knew. He told them the story would change. And because the story did change he's charged with incompetence?

I'm willing to be all wrong and being manipulated if further investigation produces facts that contradict my trust in him at this point. I didn't find it at all unusual for him to brag a bit on his guys and ask the media to take notice of how many people were helped to safety by his team. A good leader will do that and heaven knows this department is dealing with the biggest crisis they've ever faced.

The more I think about it the more I buy into the multiple person scenario.

Multiple people. Multiple places maybe. To start one was supposed to use an 'incendiary' round, which was found in the suite. They were to shoot a tank. Cause confusion. Second shooter with large capacity magazines engages crowd. First shooter would have then continued against other tanks as well as target individuals such as law enforcement. It did not happen. The shots were spot on from what I have read and that is varying reports of 1 or 4 o r 5 hits. The plan starts to spiral from there because the attention will be on the shooter/s but the explosion. and how could the shooter have 'run' into the other room and engaged so quickly after those first few shots? This guys was not a Tier One operator by any means. Sure it could be done but...how....really.

So, when the first shots fired and the tanks did not explode....did an argument occur? Remember there were two cars found at the scene. Did the 'other shooters' make it out and they are searching for them? Remember, they said that they found evidence of an escape plan. Well, if there is an argument and part of your team is not there anymore do you shoot yourself? He was a control freak and would have wanted to chose how to go. This is the only thing I find odd is his death. I would think he would want everyone to know and stand trial. He just seemed like that kind of guy. I cannot see him killing himself. He could have gotten his glory and done that in prison.

or was this just a crazy ahole who gave the world the finger for the last time? I don't know but one thing I do know...is when the media is quiet there is more to the story. Over 50 killed less than 2 weeks ago at a concert on US soil and not even really covered anymore in the media as it should be.

No matter what it was that happened it is just more conditioning. Those poor souls.

a reply to: matafuchs

I agree with what you say. I've been trying for days to figure out how this unhealthy 64yr old could be running backwards and forwards between rooms when there's only around 4 seconds between bursts. I don't buy the gun deal gone wrong scenario mainly because all the guns were left and I can see no reason why the "buyers" would shoot up a concert after killing Paddock as opposed to making their escape with their free guns! Unless of course it was all part of a bigger plan.

Another worry is, with all the attacks there have been both in the USA and here in Europe, we are in danger of becoming quite de-sensitized to it all which seems to go against the theorised "instil fear" scenario

a reply to: matafuchs

I'm floating down that same muddy, murky river of uncertainty and confusion about many things with ya.

I'm a consumer of both true crime books and mystery/thriller/conspiracy novels. Several of my friends and relatives are also fans of such entertainment so a luncheon gathering today with several of us present produced quite a few very plausible theories. Some involved the alleged shooter being the lone gunman while others had more than one other person involved. I'm willing to entertain any number of theories.

I was almost ten years old when JFK was shot in the head in public in Dallas. Many of the first true crime books I ever read were on that subject. My Dad had a whole library of books on that subject. We read them all and we never came to any definite conclusions except that the Warren Commission was full of enough manure to fertilize acres of pasture. I've read more books and listened to a lot of interviews and lectures in the years since my Dad died in '80. I still don't have all the picture simply because the information is not yet available to the public. To expect that the authorities would have such a massive casualty event in an urban setting in less than two weeks is expecting the magical I think. The media is much too addicted to tv crime shows I think---where things are all figured out with lightning speed and precision.

When this story first broke, I remember reading that he worked for a contractor at NASA, and that company was responsible for the failure of the Challenger.

And here, I found this:

"According to multiple mainstream reports, Paddock graduated from Cal State Northridge in the late 1970s — a university based in the middle of the CA Aerospace Contracting Belt (read: next to Skunk Works and the Jet Propulsion Lab) that features strong, above-board recruitment and funding links to NASA and JPL dating back 40+ years.
Even the official cover quoted in unison by mainstream media acknowledges that Paddock entered Federal service directly out of college.
His paycheck came from the USPS during the period in which some evidence points to NASA employment. The next steps in Paddock’s official cover as a Federal Agent lens credence to the NASA links.
Certainly, a former NASA analyst sounds better qualified than a “mail carrier” (an unsourced job description quickly pinned to Paddock in unison by mainstream media within hours of the shooting) to make the jump to senior investigative positions inside the Department of Defense (Defense Contract Audit Agency — (DCAA) as well as a similar role inside Lockheed Martin, the U.S. Government’s largest military contractor.
The Department of Defense DCAA division is one of a group of nebulous and multi-purpose investigative and enforcement agencies lumped together in the same department and budget heading, with reporting responsibilities directly to DOD Director level.

Alongside the DCAA exist sister agencies of the same classification, including the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), the Defense Criminal Investigative Service (DCIS) and the National Security Agency (NSA).
From the DCAA, Paddock — a licensed pilot with at least two planes — progressed to an internal auditing role inside a classified Lockheed Martin “predecessor company”, where he worked from 1985–89 on an undisclosed project.
Aside from the unverified NASA connection surfacing today, the rest of Paddock’s employment history as described above is widely reported (if buried).
In the end, it’s hard to honestly state that Stephen Paddock was anything other than a career Federal Agent with a track record of high profile, likely-classified assignments deep inside the military industrial complex. Without a doubt, one could assume that Paddock at the very least had security clearance of some sort as well as significant skill, resources and training that have yet to receive appropriate coverage.
Further, Paddock’s Federal employment history may clear up some of the puzzling contradictions scene in early law enforcement reports.
For example, we understand now how it may not be a contradiction for one law enforcement source to state “Paddock had no criminal record of any kind” as other local Las Vegas-based law enforcement sources simultaneously claimed that Paddock was known to the local law enforcement community.
Be on the alert for the subtle differences in language used by competing reports.
It may be entirely true that Paddock did not surface on background checks because of his clean record;
and it may also be true that a career Federal agent working in the shady world of military and aerospace contracting would have professional relationships with local law enforcement resources that would’ve made him “known” to local police.
For now, the best we can say with certainty is that professional journalists continue to bury what is — at the very least — relevant biographical information linking the alleged Las Vegas shooter to a career in Federal service. And this phenomenon in itself is worthy of further consideration."

Just my two cents.

medium.com...@hul10/las-vegas-shooter-linked-to-nasa-8ab3733ef991

originally posted by: KansasGirl

originally posted by: jadedANDcynical
a reply to: MotherMayEye

The SPFPA is representing Campos. David Hickey has been the one to speak on his behalf, so far.

I think they must have been at least partly behind him "bolting" from the scheduled interviews.

If so, how and when did he get there from wherever he is living without being hounded by every media conglomerate in existence?

Is he being hounded, though? Is the media even talking about the story, much less Campos, anymore?

Campos was a no show and the media has indeed moved on.

originally posted by: Onlyyouknow
Has this video been posted yet? It begins way before shooting begins. Sorry if it has been seen, there are some security guards and PD throughout the video.

www.liveleak.com...

Has anyone else been talking about the light that comes on at the Delano hotel, just a couple floors from the top, as soon as the shooting starts? It goes out when shooting stops and comes back on again during the 2nd volley. The light looks continuous & doesn't seem to be muzzle flash, but maybe it's camouflaging any muzzle flash? It's far too coincidental to not have anything to do with the shooting.

Some light research shows that the Delano hotel has a bar/night club on one of the top floors. Was this club open that night? Somebody would've had to hear something.

Here is a redo of "The Health Ranger's" forensic acoustic analysis of audio, from video clips taken during the shooting. It is a simpler, clearer version of his first video on the subject and has convinced me that there must have been at least two shooters. In fact there could have been more if multiple shooters were firing from the two distinct range distances, that he says shots were coming from.

originally posted by: WhipX

originally posted by: Onlyyouknow
Has this video been posted yet? It begins way before shooting begins. Sorry if it has been seen, there are some security guards and PD throughout the video.

www.liveleak.com...

Has anyone else been talking about the light that comes on at the Delano hotel, just a couple floors from the top, as soon as the shooting starts? It goes out when shooting stops and comes back on again during the 2nd volley. The light looks continuous & doesn't seem to be muzzle flash, but maybe it's camouflaging any muzzle flash? It's far too coincidental to not have anything to do with the shooting.

Some light research shows that the Delano hotel has a bar/night club on one of the top floors. Was this club open that night? Somebody would've had to hear something.

I'm having a hard time picking that out in the video. Can you provide details to help us observe what you're talking about.

Thx