Active Shooter Las Vegas, Mandalay Bay

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: ARM1968

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: Spider879

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: Spider879
Pls tell me/us when it's not too fking early to address the issue of weapons of small destruction..

That depends. How are things in Japan ?

No mass killings since that poisoned gas incident yrs ago, certainly none involving weapons of small destruction.

That is very good news. Evil comes in many forms and nations , doesnt it ?

Just a lot more frequently in places with mass weapon ownership.

Really ?
Ever check history ?

Ok. Just post for me please the last 3 year totals of firearms deaths in the USA. People like me want to help you. We want you to see your madness. We would like this to STOP for your sakes, not ours.

a reply to: UKTruth

You need to look at the post I was replying to for context on my post.

Just heard on the ABC live feed from a sheriff spokesman, at this time not willing to comment on legality of the firearms.

Also after a preliminary check of their systems the guy had no red flags from past interactions with the cops.

They said they might know more after parsing through his social media accounts if he has any.

originally posted by: ARM1968

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: BlackSkinhead

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: BlackSkinhead

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: BlackSkinhead

Like more laws?

Sorry does that piss you off more than people dying. My bad

Not at all. Pretty sure murder is illegal as well as automatic weapons in most states. I'm not sure how you figure more laws will solve the issue.

Same way the solved it in most of Europe and Australia.


Mad how blind Americans are to the options of loosing their weapons over Saftey of the general public.

If you believe that taking away legal arms will promote safety, I beg you to reconsider that thought.

Perhaps you can explain why it works everywhere else but wouldn’t in the US of A. Until your country has a mass reconsider, which it won’t, you will be greeted by more of this and thousands a year dead for nothing.

Where does it work ? Name the country and I will prove you wrong

a reply to: ramgraphicdesigns

The gun debate is a bit of a moot point here what the offender was using almost certainly is not available to the general public Id like to know the exact gun and its ammunition source.

originally posted by: EchoesInTime
His brother says the shooter had no religious or political affiliations. Interesting.

An atheist.

Or his family doesn't really know him or they are lying.

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
True but only if they really think they could make it stick.

He's dead and he shot 250+ people, they can make pretty much anything stick.

originally posted by: ramgraphicdesigns
Please petition to take away the automatic weapons, you can still have your guns to play with but get rid of the mass killing

tools.

How one man can cause such carnage and put hospitals at capacity with just one AUTOMATIC weapon is horrifying.

condolences to all the victims.


Senseless violence.

You haven't been paying attention.

Full autos are pretty much illegal. They can't be manufactured for general sale to the public, and the only ones in circulation for private ownership are WWII vintage with heavy, heavy licensing and restriction.

You can modify semi-automatic weapons, but it's illegal to do it. Highly illegal.

And any other automatic weapons are only available under strict regulation and licensing and not to any Tom, Dick, or Harry who walks into a gun store.

originally posted by: ramgraphicdesigns
Please petition to take away the automatic weapons, you can still have your guns to play with but get rid of the mass killing

tools.

How one man can cause such carnage and put hospitals at capacity with just one AUTOMATIC weapon is horrifying.

condolences to all the victims.


Senseless violence.

Well, that's kind of the question here. Fully automatic weapons are already heavily regulated and there's a good chance that this firearm was not civilian-legal. We don't know yet.

Heads are saying that he committed suicide and earlier said something about him having cameras setup to capture the final moments if not the whole thing.

Live press conference now...

3rd one so far.

It's alarming they still haven't cleared all of the areas where there are likely more victims. That means the number will change.

Also, they are saying the shooter was found with 10 rifles.

originally posted by: TheScale

originally posted by: ARM1968

originally posted by: TheScale

originally posted by: ARM1968

originally posted by: TheScale

originally posted by: ARM1968

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: ARM1968

For all those who died, your blood is on the hands of everyone of your countrymen who support the right to carry arms.

I'm pretty sure the the guns used here were probably illegal..
and most of us in the US support the right to carry guns of one kind of another...
it's just how far we should go when it comes to those guns that are for military purposes than they are for hunting purposes.
but, it's quite unfair to say that we all have blood on our hands.
and if you took the guns away from everyone, the crazies would just find another way to kill. when it comes to killing it seems that people have no problem finding new and more effective ways to do it.

this is what?? the third attack in the past three or so day, and I believe they may have all been on the No. American Continent, although I could be wrong about one of them????

YES the crazies WOULD find a way, but it would be so much harder for them. A nut with a knife is not going to kill 50+ people at a concert.

I am always amazed that those of us who see the sickness you cling to as wrong are immediately cast as haters or deluded. Come on. How many, this year alone, have been killed by firearms in the USA. It’s thousands. Is that a price you continually wish to pay?

see this is a common misconception. it is not hard to find a vast majority of ways to kill a large amount of people in the blink of an eye or very subtly without anyone even noticing until its too late. if a person is willing to die to carry out horrific acts like this, a whole slew of options become available. just imagine if he had made himself an explosive vest and blew himself up at the event. could have easily killed and injured just as many people. the act is just the sympton of a deeper rooted problem

Yeah mate. Very cerebral. How often does that actually happen? To you and ALL your right to carry brothers and sisters, how many have died in the USA as a result of firearms so far this year. Look at the numbers and then we can talk.

see the thing is those people are going to commit a crime. if u want to talk about automatic weapons that are highly illegal like this which is very uncommon for any gun owner to possess, then those numbers are tiny. more would die to hammers in comparison. besides your missing the point. people that are going to commit a heinous act will find a way to carry it out one way or another. theres thousands of cases going back throughout mans history for thousands of years long before a firearm ever existed. pandoras box has been opened. the knowledge is out there and its easier then ever in this day and age to create something on a tiny budget with just a little time. shoot i could go to the uk, enter a hardware store and buy everything i need to make a shotgun for under 50 quid

Doesn’t the ease with which you can source guns and annoying in the USA make it a tad easier?

Looks like you’re all sighing with relief that this might be a full auto or illegal weapon while the rest of us are like - really?

Does that make it ok then? I mean how many have been killed in the USA so far this year with entirely legal weapons?

too many but again we dont live in a perfect world. people are going to commit acts using the knowledge available to them. shoot these days u can 3d print a firearm and not some crappy firearm that will wear out in a few shots. ones that are just as good as a traditionally manufactured firearms. the vast majority of gun owners in the US never commit any crimes. in a country with over 300 million people your going to statistically have nut jobs popping up, its amazing its not worse. look at china and the knife and hammer attacks they had that left dozens dead and many more injured recently. sick people will find ways to do harm to others. theres a predator in all of us with far too much intelligence for our own good and when someone puts those instincts to work a hapless person who is unprepared doesnt stand a chance

No we DONT live in a perefect world, but it’s our duty as citizens of that world to try and make it more perfect, not less. Surely you can see that and surely the relentless death tool in the USA tells you something you should ALL listen to.

originally posted by: burgerbuddy
An atheist.

I don't have any religious affiliation and I'm not an atheist.

a reply to: ARM1968

We'd like to punish all Muslims for the actions of the few but the same isn't true for gun owners.

Don't get me wrong, most gun owners are law abiding and shouldn't take the blame but the hypocrisy is huge.

a reply to: ARM1968

but a crazy in a car could probably kill more people than a crazy with a double barrel shotgun???

What I cling to is the belief that when society completely fails in their social contract a person has every right to take matters into his own hand, to grow his own food, to hunt his own game, fish in the rivers and streams, heck to build a cabin on federal land out in the wilderness, and protect themselves from any dangers that might pass by that cabin...
I kind of draw the line when it comes to civilians marching down the city streets carrying guns or owning guns that can cut a deer up so badly within a few minutes that the you'd have destroyed the hide.

but each person has their own line drawn and there seems to be quite a few people who think that the danger they might have to protect themselves against has one of the best equipped armies in the world. kind of like how I find myself sometimes I wish I could have a tank to protect myself from the crazy drivers on the road. they claim that the constitution gives them the right to have the same kind of firepower as our gov't has, but then, I am pretty sure that they wouldn't want that crazy neighbor down the street that is always raising hell about the dog next door to have a missile launcher in there back yard aimed in their direction ready to launch at the next bark.

if you have a problem with where I draw the line, I am sorry, but if I were to go out in the woods and set traps instead of using a hunting rifle to kill my meat, there would probably be just as much a chance someone would accidentally step into the trap... besides, it's a much crueler way to kill an animal.

somewhere between me and people who may want the missile launchers and tanks in their back yard lays sanity and common sense.
but even an old time muzzle loaded gun can kill someone, even the person shooting that gun.. I know, my brother in law about killed himself with one!!

originally posted by: ARM1968

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: ARM1968

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: Spider879

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: Spider879
Pls tell me/us when it's not too fking early to address the issue of weapons of small destruction..

That depends. How are things in Japan ?

No mass killings since that poisoned gas incident yrs ago, certainly none involving weapons of small destruction.

That is very good news. Evil comes in many forms and nations , doesnt it ?

Just a lot more frequently in places with mass weapon ownership.

Really ?
Ever check history ?

Ok. Just post for me please the last 3 year totals of firearms deaths in the USA. People like me want to help you. We want you to see your madness. We would like this to STOP for your sakes, not ours.

Want to start with Stalin ? Phil Pot ? Hitler ? The Romans ? The Gauls ? Idi Amin Dada ?
I am not the one making inane statements .
So , who needs to stop ?

No amount of finger pointing, political bickering, speculation or pretending to be an expert who knows best is going to undo this tragedy.

Sometimes really bad people to incredibly evil things, and most likely there really isn't a lot that can be done to stop them. Maybe some missed warning signs in this case, maybe not I'm sure there will be a lot of maybes and possibilities here, but again it can't change what happened.

Changing laws or our way of life because of this might not prevent a similar tragedy in the future.

Unfortunately.

By the sound of the shots it sounds like one of those after market bump fire mods or the roto trigger mod to make semi autos fire real fast..... on phone but I’ll try and link some vids

Its a commonly available trigger mod



m.youtube.com...

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: ARM1968

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: BlackSkinhead

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: BlackSkinhead

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: BlackSkinhead

Like more laws?

Sorry does that piss you off more than people dying. My bad

Not at all. Pretty sure murder is illegal as well as automatic weapons in most states. I'm not sure how you figure more laws will solve the issue.

Same way the solved it in most of Europe and Australia.


Mad how blind Americans are to the options of loosing their weapons over Saftey of the general public.

If you believe that taking away legal arms will promote safety, I beg you to reconsider that thought.

Perhaps you can explain why it works everywhere else but wouldn’t in the US of A. Until your country has a mass reconsider, which it won’t, you will be greeted by more of this and thousands a year dead for nothing.

Where does it work ? Name the country and I will prove you wrong

You will find exceptions as in all things. If you make something very difficult guess what, it stops being so easy. Stop thinking you personally are under attack. Your whole country is, from the rampant gun infestation. I have no fear of being shot in the UK - none whatsoever.

a reply to: ketsuko

Agreed, but what else is there?

For now, I guess let's just find out what his motivations were and go from there.

He committed suicide from what the news is saying. No one in their right mind shoots at 400 people and then does himself in.

The point I am trying to make here is that sane, legal gun owners do not do this sort of thing.