Active Shooter Las Vegas, Mandalay Bay

a reply to: RomeByFire

If i am reaching. Why is there blood on the gun?

If the blood is just pooring out. There shoulnt be blood on the gun or a blood splater from the blood pool to the gun.

Which wound would the blood come from first.. The entry or exit wound?

And how fast would he drop his gun with a gunshot to the head? He would probably drop his hand asap.

a reply to: antibren

Pics I saw looked like he was on top of it. At any rate one could have been on the floor and he fell on it.. He dropped it before he put the pistol in his mouth ... Etc..

I'm still not seeing the tin-foil here. Everything we see so far follows the narrative we are being told, and not sure why people are trying to create a conspiracy.

a reply to: spy66

Police enter the room, see gun in hand.. Kick out of hand.. Gun flips through blood.. Problem solved. I'm sure if I really put some thought into it could come up with more. He could have possibly cut himself on glass when he shattered the window etc. There are a million different explanations rather than a conspiracy.

originally posted by: spy66
a reply to: RomeByFire

If i am reaching. Why is there blood on the gun?

If the blood is just pooring out. There shoulnt be blood on the gun or a blood splater from the blood pool to the gun.

Which wound would the blood come from first.. The entry or exit wound?

And how fast would he drop his gun with a gunshot to the head? He would probably drop his hand asap.

It actually makes more sense that there would be blood on the gun than there would be blood spattered on every other object near him. The gun was closest to the entry wound.

I love how people think if there was some massive conspiracy they couldn't get someone who knows crime scene forensics to come in and arrange the scene so it's consistent with a suicide before they took any pics.

originally posted by: RomeByFire

originally posted by: spy66
a reply to: face23785

I dont think so. The blood would have a lot of pressure and spray out until blood pressure is reduced.

If this is the best angle currently being presented to prove this is something we're not being told, you folks are truly reaching.

Armchair detectives dont need facts, evidence or any knowledge of what there talking about.

originally posted by: mzinga
a reply to: spy66

Police enter the room, see gun in hand.. Kick out of hand.. Gun flips through blood.. Problem solved. I'm sure if I really put some thought into it could come up with more. He could have possibly cut himself on glass when he shattered the window etc. There are a million different explanations rather than a conspiracy.

Would they really need to kick the gun away from a dead man.
From the scanners they instantly say suspect is down. So at that point it turn into a active crime scene officers aren’t going around tampering

For anyone really interested, I promise you you can find videos of people shooting themselves in the head on the internet. It doesn't happen the way it looks in most movies.

originally posted by: spy66
a reply to: RomeByFire

If i am reaching. Why is there blood on the gun?

If the blood is just pooring out. There shoulnt be blood on the gun or a blood splater from the blood pool to the gun.

Which wound would the blood come from first.. The entry or exit wound?

And how fast would he drop his gun with a gunshot to the head? He would probably drop his hand asap.

Probably because he shot himself with a gun. Hence, blood on the gun.

I don't think it's unfair to see what's being proposed is grasping at straws... for anything to fit a particular narrative.

originally posted by: IAMTAT
I believe it's been reported that the guy had several Wi-Fi cameras recording at the windows.

To whom was he streaming this event?

WiFi doesn't mean he was streaming to anyone.
He could have been sending it back to a laptop or some other DVR unit.

a reply to: antibren

Come on man. How would they know he was dead. Maybe he was playing possum. You think your explanation is more rational? If my life is on the line and I see a gun in someones hand it won't be when I get there.

a reply to: mzinga

The problem is. This is not how a SWAT team is trained to secure a suspect. They are not thought to kick the gun away. What do they do with a loaded weapon that is by a suspect? They sure would not leave it where he still could reach it.

Earlier today someone posted what I thought was just a crazy 'out-there' theory. However, now with the latest facts out, I'm starting to believe this may not have been too far out afterall.

Here's what I am thinking now (in summary)...

MOTIVE - This twisted bastage didn't really have any motive at all. He just wanted to inflict as much damage on as many people as possible...including those well outside the range of any rifle.

He probably got into a highly leveraged debt situation with some bad folks, and realize the gig was up...so he was going to inflict as much pain as possible on everyone. The girlfriend is likely connected, but only indirectly. Here's the basis for this assessment:

1. The girlfriend worked as a high stakes hostess. She's Asian, and probably connected to high rollers in Asia. He probably figured it was a win-win fo both of them if she got high rollers into th casino they both would be in good standing with the casinos (i.e.the 7 star rating didn't come solely from playing video games). She speaks the language too. It's also possible these two skimmed some big bucks off these high rollers too.
But eventually they got in too far over their heads. It was over! These big boys play for keeps.

2. The quantity of guns was a statement. There's no way he could have used 23 guns, let alone carried in ammo for all of them. He wanted words like "arsenal" showing up in the media, he wanted to stir the whole 2A pot. He might have even been pro 2A himself, but it didn't matter by that point. He wanted the pile of guns to be found. He just wanted pain.

3. Probably told the GF of his plans, that the net was closing around them and for her to get out of country. He'd wire her some money as he could. She takes off.

4. He doesn't really have a solid plan. Initially he probably thinks he'll just check-out on a high note in a gratis luxury suite high on expensive liquor and hookers (maybe drugs, time will tell). Then, when he sees where his room is located he hatches a different plan, and over the next 2-3 days starts fortifying the room with guns and ammo. He's going to shoot up the concert.

5. He knows the country is angrily divided along political lines, and shooting up a C&W concert is the ultimate statement. Thousands of freedom loving, pro-gun, attendees shot up by their own guns. It will be the political firestorm of the decade (in his mind). Now the pain of his deeds reaches all the way to Washington, DC

6. All the real estate investments were just another form of gambling. A place to sink the money to keep it from others. This is why he didn't live in any of them. Probably traveled to them only long enough to meet some residency requirement for tax purposes.

a reply to: antibren

Also it isn't an active crime scene until they have determined it is secure and then people will roll out. This activity doesn't happen as soon as they see the body.

originally posted by: kamatty

originally posted by: RomeByFire

originally posted by: spy66
a reply to: face23785

I dont think so. The blood would have a lot of pressure and spray out until blood pressure is reduced.

If this is the best angle currently being presented to prove this is something we're not being told, you folks are truly reaching.

Armchair detectives dont need facts, evidence or any knowledge of what there talking about.

They leave out details.

And details are important. It's what creates plot-holes in cinematics.

It's what creates plot-holes in conspiracies.

Multiple shooter theory is built around FB videos of "muzzle flashes," from another floor - "muzzle flashes," that were there two hours before shooting began.

This is one of many details that are (conveniently) left out.

originally posted by: antibren

originally posted by: mzinga
a reply to: spy66

Police enter the room, see gun in hand.. Kick out of hand.. Gun flips through blood.. Problem solved. I'm sure if I really put some thought into it could come up with more. He could have possibly cut himself on glass when he shattered the window etc. There are a million different explanations rather than a conspiracy.

Would they really need to kick the gun away from a dead man.
From the scanners they instantly say suspect is down. So at that point it turn into a active crime scene officers aren’t going around tampering

Suspect down means just that. A LE cannot know if the suspect is still not a threat even down. The gun would be cleared and a LE will check for pulse. Obviously, it is not unheard of a victim to a headshot, even self inflicted, to have missed the mark, so to speak.

Maybe the guy got blackmailed, maybe he owed gambling debts and was told he had to do this or they would kill his family etc. explains the cameras and all the crazy guns at his house and hotel. Someone with connections could get the guns etc. set him up for the fall, and remain anonymous which kinda fits the isis connection. Way to much speculation going on because we STILL have no motive.

a reply to: spy66

Again there are a million different ways he could have blood on his hands. You are totally reaching. He had to have reloaded things a million times. Did he pinch himself? Did he cut himself on glass. Did the police fire any rounds into the room before it was breached?

Don't invent facts.

originally posted by: mzinga
a reply to: antibren

Come on man. How would they know he was dead. Maybe he was playing possum. You think your explanation is more rational? If my life is on the line and I see a gun in someones hand it won't be when I get there.

I have given ZERO explanations just questions that I legitimately have.

After reading through the thread to catch up, I see I have been accused of peddling outlandish illuminati blood sacrifice theories and then disappearing.
Well, first off I didn't disappear. I had to work and didn't get a chance to get back to the thread till this afternoon (for me).
Second, I didn't peddle an outlandish theory. I suggested that there COULD be an occult element for what happened. Since we have yet to see ANY obvious motivation for what this person did, that theory is just as possible as any of the others posted here.
I did not suggest the numerology connection.
I suggested an element as part of the overall crime. I never said that it was the sole motivation, nor did I suggest that the location was the sole factor in the shooting.

Since the information that we have about this individual STILL does not give us an idea of why he might commit this act, we are in the realm of speculation. That's what this thread is about, speculation on what occurred and why it occurred. At this point no element can be ignored at least completely.

Someone asked me if it was my loved one who was killed would I want the police to look toward tarot cards and such for the criminal?
Well, if tarot cards told the criminal to do the killing then yes I would want the police to look into what tarot card reader the criminal might have visited to see if they could question them and identify the criminal.
My speculation on the occult significance of the location (in relation to the Luxor) was AGAIN not indicative of my own personal belief or disbelief in the occult. This was also something I was accused of even though I thought I made it very clear that was not the case.
It does not matter what my personal beliefs are with regard to the reality of the occult. We are concerned with the beliefs and motivations of the people committing these crimes. If there is an occult element to the motivations of these people then that is something that needs to be explored. I pointed out the location in front of the Luxor because I found it interesting. It may not be a factor, BUT...

If we are speculating that there is a greater conspiracy behind this attack then we need to look at a few things.
Who
What
When
Where
and
How

Who: Could be government deep state. If its deep state then we cant overlook that there are occult elements within the deep state. If you are not aware of this then you are not keeping up with the larger picture.
What: Is there evidence of something other than the basic story with regard to the attack? Yes? The occult relationship to the pyramid COULD point to the Deep State. The completely "clean" nature of the attacker COULD point to someone else conducting that attack from his room after they have killed him shortly before.

The other questions still need to be answered and that's why we are all speculating here.
Apparently I am not allowed to do that because a couple of posters thinks its outlandish.