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originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: rickymouse
I'd like to get a look at it. My initial search turned up fruitless.
originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: pirhanna
No vote, no redress, just secured funding and off they go. Invasive and..oh, legal.
originally posted by: pirhanna
Well they already monitor all us citizens so... Whatever I guess? Been doing that at least since the advent of echelon, later total information awareness. Those chips in credit cards, the post office workers watcher forms... Name it. We are unfortunately far past where people seem to think we are.
originally posted by: enlightenedservant
originally posted by: Spider879
a reply to: JinMI
This is the real damage done as of 911, get Americans to trade freedom for security , and there isn't one party at least major ones you can turn to as an alternative.
Terrorist seemed to have won or winning, no mass invasion needed.
Or... The authoritarians in our country are winning & they simply use terrorism & immigration as pretexts to implement a police state.
Put it like this, let's pretend that all immigrants left America and all terrorists turned themselves in. Would our govt stop using these types of programs? I think they'd just change the justification and point to another bogeyman that they need to "protect" us from with these programs.
originally posted by: pirhanna
Well they already monitor all us citizens so... Whatever I guess? Been doing that at least since the advent of echelon, later total information awareness. Those chips in credit cards, the post office workers watcher forms... Name it. We are unfortunately far past where people seem to think we are.
originally posted by: Spider879
a reply to: JinMI
This is the real damage done as of 911, get Americans to trade freedom for security , and there isn't one party at least major ones you can turn to as an alternative.
Terrorist seemed to have won or winning, no mass invasion needed.