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originally posted by: Krakatoa
So for you, the color of someone's skin means they benefited (and still do) from those slaves that had black skin. Is this correct?
originally posted by: 2Baaka
originally posted by: Krakatoa
So for you, the color of someone's skin means they benefited (and still do) from those slaves that had black skin. Is this correct?
Absolutely correct.
Which doesn't nullify that there are some persons so hopeless that they can't succeed in a country built for and intended for white people.
originally posted by: 2Baaka
originally posted by: Krakatoa
So for you, the color of someone's skin means they benefited (and still do) from those slaves that had black skin. Is this correct?
Absolutely correct.
Which doesn't nullify that there are some persons so hopeless that they can't succeed in a country built for and intended for white people.
originally posted by: Illumimasontruth
a reply to: 2Baaka
You Sir are so blindly prejudiced there is no discussing this subject with you in a heathy manner.
I sense you are blinded by a stubborn hatred that will only consume you from within if you choose to remain on your futile path.
We may have different skin tones, customs, cultures etc, but we are all part of the human race. You have to understand that before true equality can happen.
Best wishes to you Sir. I'm out of this thread.
originally posted by: fredrodgers1960
Everyone, please. I aam a 54 year old black man who worked his way up the ladder, on my own.
originally posted by: 2Baaka
originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
originally posted by: 2Baaka
Notice what he harps upon in the quotes I supply above. The people with real thought and foresight aren't only concerned with the flag being disrespected, lol, you see where this can lead.
The concern is that...gasp...black people can leverage this into actually leveling the playing field. That the 400 year head start most of white America enjoy will be erased. That the Constitution will be corrected and made equal. That the electoral system will be corrected.
So while there are uninformed white Americans who are really only thinking of this from a "disrespect the flag" angle. The real thinkers in the white community are playing chess.
How is them saying what they think it is about "letting it slip" as if you all "AHA I GOT YOU YOU SNAKES IN THE GRASS" it was supposed to be a secret mentality?
And please describe this getting even for 400 years process for us.
You do realize you just confirmed the sort of intent they were speculating about, right?
As you can witness even at this site: The narrative being pushed and fought against so hard is, disrespect of the Nations flag. Where else have you heard the narrative that the protests will lead to changes in economics, elections, ownership, etc?
Getting even as in leveling the playing field. Or di you subscribe too that has already happened?
originally posted by: fredrodgers1960
originally posted by: 2Baaka
originally posted by: Cygnis
Nice to see the instigation of a race-war is still burning.
Confirmation Bias: Blacks are oppressed, and it's the Constitution, the flag, the anthem, and the founding fathers to be mad at centuries later.
No way of talking these people out of something they firmly believe in, regardless of reality, facts, or truths.
Do you disagree or should I inform you? I can do this, but I expect you to flee.
Well, if they don't want the debate, as a black man in my 50's who worked my a$$ off to get out of my horrid neighborhood in Detroit (that has since been turned into a very large field), bring it on.
The world owes me NOTHING. My great grandparents were slaves that worked a large plantation in Paris Virginia. I have visited it, and actually went into the "barracks" that they lived in. They would be proud of what I have made my life into. They wanted all of their ancestors to fight to make it here. Almost all of us have, with a very small number of exceptions.
I DID IT. No one gave me crap. I've never been oppressed, nor do I want special privileges just for me because I'm black. I earned it on my own, I didn't wait for "whitey" to start handing me out free crap.
Get a job. Earn a living. Make yourself proud. That's the one thing that black communities don't have. Pride. Pride in what we can and do accomplish. Pride in the communities that we live in. Pride of teaching our kids right and wrong, and them learning that they CAN make it on their own.
PRIDE in who we are, who we were, and what we can make ourselves and our families into.
The black people don't need handouts, they need to learn trades and get their life in gear. There are 3 MILLION unfilled trade jobs in America. Take one.
Here are welding jobs in Detroit. $20 an hour is a decent wage in Detroit, and a great way to start a CAREER.
www.careerbuilder.com...
originally posted by: fredrodgers1960
originally posted by: 2Baaka
originally posted by: DrStevenBrule
a reply to: 2Baaka
I hope you do realize that less than 1% of white Americans ever owned slaves but 100% of white Americans alive today get blamed for it.
Maybe your black ancestors that sold your brothers and sisters into slavery and profited FORTUNES from slavery should pass down that wealth.
I guess that would be too confusing so you just blame white people.
Easy...
Maybe only 1 percent owned slaves but 100% profited from it!
(I'm sorry but you're dealing with one of the initiated. The usual deflections and red herrings will not work.)
That money and wealth are still circulating. Are you aware of the mega-companies still functioning today that obtained their wealth from slavery?
My ancestors did not sell their people into slavery. They sold other ethnicities...or did you think all blacks were one ethnicity lol! Also, take a look at Africa, what wealth do you see that continent as acquiring due to participation in the slave trade? They faced their own slavery in the form of European colonization.
Everyone, please. I aam a 54 year old black man who worked his way up the ladder, on my own. These are people that want everything given to them instead of earning it. This person DOES NOT represent all black people in America. If I were this person's father, I'd make 100% sure that they would be working instead of asking for handouts.
The past, is the past. Learn from it. Move on, make your life better.
You know how I got out of Detroit? I made enough money to get a bus ticket to Dallas Texas. I had enough money to stay in a REALLY crappy hotel until I got my first paycheck. I started working as an apprentice welder. I took minimum wage, and then also worked night shift at a local kitchen as a bus boy. One day the welding trainer I had told me, that I needed a new line of work. I had math skills, so they transferred me to accounting.
Today, I own a very nice accounting firm with 27 employees.
ALL ON MY OWN.
PRIDE. Something really missing in the black communities.
Don't change the constitution, CHANGE WHO YOU WANT TO BE!!!
Fred.
originally posted by: 2Baaka
originally posted by: fredrodgers1960
originally posted by: 2Baaka
originally posted by: DrStevenBrule
a reply to: 2Baaka
I hope you do realize that less than 1% of white Americans ever owned slaves but 100% of white Americans alive today get blamed for it.
Maybe your black ancestors that sold your brothers and sisters into slavery and profited FORTUNES from slavery should pass down that wealth.
I guess that would be too confusing so you just blame white people.
Easy...
Maybe only 1 percent owned slaves but 100% profited from it!
(I'm sorry but you're dealing with one of the initiated. The usual deflections and red herrings will not work.)
That money and wealth are still circulating. Are you aware of the mega-companies still functioning today that obtained their wealth from slavery?
My ancestors did not sell their people into slavery. They sold other ethnicities...or did you think all blacks were one ethnicity lol! Also, take a look at Africa, what wealth do you see that continent as acquiring due to participation in the slave trade? They faced their own slavery in the form of European colonization.
Everyone, please. I aam a 54 year old black man who worked his way up the ladder, on my own. These are people that want everything given to them instead of earning it. This person DOES NOT represent all black people in America. If I were this person's father, I'd make 100% sure that they would be working instead of asking for handouts.
The past, is the past. Learn from it. Move on, make your life better.
You know how I got out of Detroit? I made enough money to get a bus ticket to Dallas Texas. I had enough money to stay in a REALLY crappy hotel until I got my first paycheck. I started working as an apprentice welder. I took minimum wage, and then also worked night shift at a local kitchen as a bus boy. One day the welding trainer I had told me, that I needed a new line of work. I had math skills, so they transferred me to accounting.
Today, I own a very nice accounting firm with 27 employees.
ALL ON MY OWN.
PRIDE. Something really missing in the black communities.
Don't change the constitution, CHANGE WHO YOU WANT TO BE!!!
Fred.
Everyone notice a Uncle Ruckus...
We have a name for them in our community. Notice how he wants a pat on the head and a butter biscuit from you?
You're not old enough to be my father. I'm a Army Veteran too...GASP!
You are scared and beat down by white supremacy.
You did nothing on your own either. Who paid for your degree?
Pride...lol
originally posted by: 2Baaka
originally posted by: Cygnis
originally posted by: 2Baaka
originally posted by: DrStevenBrule
a reply to: 2Baaka
So we should just give blacks Affirmative action. Got it.
How is that leveling the playing field again?
Sounds like a form of supremacy to me.
I mean what other group needs or deserves it?
Are you aware WHY Affirmative Action was first suggested?
As far as leveling the playing field, read my example again to understand it.
Well let us see, we still have child slavery in many other countries, and we also have women being used as sex slaves in this current time. Perhaps we should include them too.
However, I don't believe there are any black people in this country alive who were slaves that are still alive.
So tell me why you need special privileges? Your pride?
Seem there are plenty of other African Americans doing quite well for themselves, so what is your excuse?
***Read the reply and giggled a little before answering***
Why am I as a black man concerned with the first two things you list lol? We're looking for OUR dues.
There may not be any slaves still alive, but the wealth earned from their backs is lmao! It's the American Way to get whats owed to you!
Who said I'm not doing well for myself? Unlike many other blacks who are doing well for themselves and then forget about the goal, I have not.
originally posted by: 2Baaka
originally posted by: fredrodgers1960
originally posted by: 2Baaka
originally posted by: Cygnis
Nice to see the instigation of a race-war is still burning.
Confirmation Bias: Blacks are oppressed, and it's the Constitution, the flag, the anthem, and the founding fathers to be mad at centuries later.
No way of talking these people out of something they firmly believe in, regardless of reality, facts, or truths.
Do you disagree or should I inform you? I can do this, but I expect you to flee.
Well, if they don't want the debate, as a black man in my 50's who worked my a$$ off to get out of my horrid neighborhood in Detroit (that has since been turned into a very large field), bring it on.
The world owes me NOTHING. My great grandparents were slaves that worked a large plantation in Paris Virginia. I have visited it, and actually went into the "barracks" that they lived in. They would be proud of what I have made my life into. They wanted all of their ancestors to fight to make it here. Almost all of us have, with a very small number of exceptions.
I DID IT. No one gave me crap. I've never been oppressed, nor do I want special privileges just for me because I'm black. I earned it on my own, I didn't wait for "whitey" to start handing me out free crap.
Get a job. Earn a living. Make yourself proud. That's the one thing that black communities don't have. Pride. Pride in what we can and do accomplish. Pride in the communities that we live in. Pride of teaching our kids right and wrong, and them learning that they CAN make it on their own.
PRIDE in who we are, who we were, and what we can make ourselves and our families into.
The black people don't need handouts, they need to learn trades and get their life in gear. There are 3 MILLION unfilled trade jobs in America. Take one.
Here are welding jobs in Detroit. $20 an hour is a decent wage in Detroit, and a great way to start a CAREER.
www.careerbuilder.com...
Firstly, what black man has to tell another black man he's black...
Second, you may not pay much attention to the black community lol, but your generation is to blame for alot of ills in the black community.
The world doesn't owe you anything, but white supremacy does.
Do you have WEALTH to pass down to your grandchildren? Did you receive any from your parents?
If I made you build my house at gun point and let you go, are you the type man to come back with your gun and get what's owed, or do you drop your head and keep going because you don't want anything "free"?
Your generation and the one before you really dropped the ball! The majority of you turned into scary, bootlicks.
originally posted by: ErrorErrorError
originally posted by: fredrodgers1960
Everyone, please. I aam a 54 year old black man who worked his way up the ladder, on my own.
Of course you are black...
...i totally believe you
originally posted by: 2Baaka
originally posted by: fredrodgers1960
originally posted by: 2Baaka
originally posted by: DrStevenBrule
a reply to: 2Baaka
I hope you do realize that less than 1% of white Americans ever owned slaves but 100% of white Americans alive today get blamed for it.
Maybe your black ancestors that sold your brothers and sisters into slavery and profited FORTUNES from slavery should pass down that wealth.
I guess that would be too confusing so you just blame white people.
Easy...
Maybe only 1 percent owned slaves but 100% profited from it!
(I'm sorry but you're dealing with one of the initiated. The usual deflections and red herrings will not work.)
That money and wealth are still circulating. Are you aware of the mega-companies still functioning today that obtained their wealth from slavery?
My ancestors did not sell their people into slavery. They sold other ethnicities...or did you think all blacks were one ethnicity lol! Also, take a look at Africa, what wealth do you see that continent as acquiring due to participation in the slave trade? They faced their own slavery in the form of European colonization.
Everyone, please. I aam a 54 year old black man who worked his way up the ladder, on my own. These are people that want everything given to them instead of earning it. This person DOES NOT represent all black people in America. If I were this person's father, I'd make 100% sure that they would be working instead of asking for handouts.
The past, is the past. Learn from it. Move on, make your life better.
You know how I got out of Detroit? I made enough money to get a bus ticket to Dallas Texas. I had enough money to stay in a REALLY crappy hotel until I got my first paycheck. I started working as an apprentice welder. I took minimum wage, and then also worked night shift at a local kitchen as a bus boy. One day the welding trainer I had told me, that I needed a new line of work. I had math skills, so they transferred me to accounting.
Today, I own a very nice accounting firm with 27 employees.
ALL ON MY OWN.
PRIDE. Something really missing in the black communities.
Don't change the constitution, CHANGE WHO YOU WANT TO BE!!!
Fred.
Everyone notice a Uncle Ruckus...
We have a name for them in our community. Notice how he wants a pat on the head and a butter biscuit from you?
You're not old enough to be my father. I'm a Army Veteran too...GASP!
You are scared and beat down by white supremacy.
You did nothing on your own either. Who paid for your degree?
Pride...lol
We must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity and discipline. We must not allow our creative protests to degenerate into physical violence. Again and again we must rise to the majestic heights of meeting physical force with soul force. The marvelous new militancy which has engulfed the Negro community must not lead us to distrust all white people, for many of our white brothers, as evidenced by their presence here today, have come to realize that their destiny is tied up with our destiny.
originally posted by: 2Baaka
originally posted by: fredrodgers1960
originally posted by: 2Baaka
originally posted by: DrStevenBrule
a reply to: 2Baaka
I hope you do realize that less than 1% of white Americans ever owned slaves but 100% of white Americans alive today get blamed for it.
Maybe your black ancestors that sold your brothers and sisters into slavery and profited FORTUNES from slavery should pass down that wealth.
I guess that would be too confusing so you just blame white people.
Easy...
Maybe only 1 percent owned slaves but 100% profited from it!
(I'm sorry but you're dealing with one of the initiated. The usual deflections and red herrings will not work.)
That money and wealth are still circulating. Are you aware of the mega-companies still functioning today that obtained their wealth from slavery?
My ancestors did not sell their people into slavery. They sold other ethnicities...or did you think all blacks were one ethnicity lol! Also, take a look at Africa, what wealth do you see that continent as acquiring due to participation in the slave trade? They faced their own slavery in the form of European colonization.
Everyone, please. I aam a 54 year old black man who worked his way up the ladder, on my own. These are people that want everything given to them instead of earning it. This person DOES NOT represent all black people in America. If I were this person's father, I'd make 100% sure that they would be working instead of asking for handouts.
The past, is the past. Learn from it. Move on, make your life better.
You know how I got out of Detroit? I made enough money to get a bus ticket to Dallas Texas. I had enough money to stay in a REALLY crappy hotel until I got my first paycheck. I started working as an apprentice welder. I took minimum wage, and then also worked night shift at a local kitchen as a bus boy. One day the welding trainer I had told me, that I needed a new line of work. I had math skills, so they transferred me to accounting.
Today, I own a very nice accounting firm with 27 employees.
ALL ON MY OWN.
PRIDE. Something really missing in the black communities.
Don't change the constitution, CHANGE WHO YOU WANT TO BE!!!
Fred.
Everyone notice a Uncle Ruckus...
We have a name for them in our community. Notice how he wants a pat on the head and a butter biscuit from you?
You're not old enough to be my father. I'm a Army Veteran too...GASP!
You are scared and beat down by white supremacy.
You did nothing on your own either. Who paid for your degree?
Pride...lol
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: 2Baaka
Nothing ever happened to them.
There was a point in his life where my husband had $50 and a bicycle to his name. He also happens to be mixed race.
He could do what you do and sit on his butt and complain that he had nothing because of something that never personally happened to him. Instead, he went to work. Now he's a well respected professional in a top 500 multi-national company. We earn enough to be solidly middle class.
Who cares what race Puerto Ricans are ethnically? I happen to know that blacks who come here from other countries do much better than blacks who have been ancestrally born here ... likely because they haven't yet absorbed the "Woe, is me! There were slaves in this country over 150 years who had my skin color, so my life must instantly be crap and everyone hates me because of it" attitude.