.......Steelers coach Mike Tomlin rap Alejandro Villanueva, while his jersey sales soar

a reply to: luthier

However trump weighing in makes me fully support protesting a president over stepping his bounds and power and influence over a private business.

Well at least you are honest about it.
I think 90% of the other hullabaloo was also due to the resist movement.

All of this and kap is still unemployed.........
To all those who have forgotten they are watching, and your "protest" will be held against you later.

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Grambler

Would it be more if they bowed down to trump?

Have you thought of this.

Until trump said something I personally thought it was a dumb protest. I just wasn't hysterical over the flag. Maybe because I was raised Christian where we are supposed to not worship symbols in fear of losing the meaning.

However trump weighing in makes me fully support protesting a president over stepping his bounds and power and influence over a private business.

Yes they would have probably loss less fans in my opinion had they not one else or stayed in locker rooms. No I do not think that is bowing down to trump.

I wasn't a fan of trumps comments, but didn't take offense to them as you apparently, and that's fine.

Just strategically, I think the kneeling is a bad move for the NFL and the original protestors, and will make more people angry at them than at trump.

But again, I guess we will see.

a reply to: luthier

there is a huge difference between a scripted interaction with fans and sitting at a pub drinking several pints.

Almost every major city I have lived in has had a pro team and the interactions are very carefully managed by the teams to keep the perception of the team in a favorable light. (not just football, all pro sports)

Your choosing one team still does not change my point.

Of course I have a disconnect from how they live LOL, I do not make 6-7 figures a year, I do not have an agent, or an entourage, or a boss that has to balance public perception against keeping me happy.

The NFL are caught in a catch 22.

They will hemorrhage profit.

a reply to: Irishhaf

Cool. I am carpenter, my wife is a research scientist. She makes more than twice my income.

Yet we talk at dinner every night.

So does my son who owns no wealth and even my two daughters who are toddlers.

Sometimes at work millionaires even talk to me.

Maybe you live in an isolated world with contempt for those with 6 figures. I don't.

I have been blue collar my whole life.

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: ketsuko


He was forced to apologize for doing it.

And you know this how? Transcendental Meditation?

Well there is the statement by Tomlin expressing his unhappiness with the Ranger.

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: Arnie123

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: eNumbra

originally posted by: TinfoilTP




America has spoken, Fire the SOB's!!!!


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A small portion of Americans have spoken for themselves and no one else.

But enough about whiney butthurt football players, amiright?

The only butthurt people here are Trump supporters.

I do when spoiled millionaires crap all over our America.

Liberals hate America, /Gryphon Shrug

Trump hates America?
/Arnie Shrug

Now you are pulling that right out of a fantasy tale just to make a point. Not the Deaf alien I thought I knew. I sorta consider you somewhat logical for someone who does not get the big picture because you make the anti look so,, well even more wrong just by your simple capitulation to the truth, normally.

Capitulate to the truth that most of 'merica realizes that clearly Trump doesn't hate America you just said that to piss off the righty's. Neutral has to call you out. Play fair or we won't read or comment back to you.

The leftist DINO's and the RINO's are going down because most of us are moderates and the moderates are waking up to the challenge.

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: eNumbra

originally posted by: TinfoilTP



America has spoken, Fire the SOB's!!!!

A small portion of Americans have spoken for themselves and no one else.

But enough about whiney butthurt football players, amiright?

The only butthurt people here are Trump supporters.

Nope, just the whiney football players. But your attempt at contribution is appreciated.

Your attempt is more appreciated.

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Irishhaf

Cool. I am carpenter, my wife is a research scientist. She makes more than twice my income.

Yet we talk at dinner every night.

So does my son who owns no wealth and even my two daughters who are toddlers.

Sometimes at work millionaires even talk to me.

Maybe you live in an isolated world with contempt for those with 6 figures. I don't.

I have been blue collar my whole life.

Ok???
you talk to your family... what does your wife have to do with the discussion about millionaires being disconnected from the average blue collar worker?

And where did I say I have contempt for them??

Please again enlighten me!

Sports is something people can use to escape reality/politics if only for a few hours, it's a shame politics has spilled over into this, blue, red or purple; black or white nobody needs or wants this.

Wouldn't it had been better for everybody to just ignore Trump on this one ?

Instead they angered patriotic Americans of all creeds. And left guys like Alejandro Villanueva between a rock and a hard place in a real catch 22.

It's pathetic really.

originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: ketsuko


He was forced to apologize for doing it.

And you know this how? Transcendental Meditation?

Well there is the statement by Tomlin expressing his unhappiness with the Ranger.

There is also the apology he made. He did not apologize for standing for the anthem or the flag. He apologized for disobeying his coach. He did not intend to make himself a figure of defiance against his team.

That's a big difference.

You also have Roethlisberger's own words on his blog today that talked about how he was so dissatisfied with how the team handled it that he didn't sleep on Sunday night and wished he'd been out there standing too.

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: ketsuko


He was forced to apologize for doing it.

And you know this how? Transcendental Meditation?

Well there is the statement by Tomlin expressing his unhappiness with the Ranger.

There is also the apology he made. He did not apologize for standing for the anthem or the flag. He apologized for disobeying his coach. He did not intend to make himself a figure of defiance against his team.

That's a big difference.

You also have Roethlisberger's own words on his blog today that talked about how he was so dissatisfied with how the team handled it that he didn't sleep on Sunday night and wished he'd been out there standing too.

In fairness, if I just QB'd a team to a loss against the Chicago bears, I probably wouldn't sleep either.

a reply to: Irishhaf

Lol,

Just read your posts. These out of touch 6 and 7 figure folks don't have a clue.

I am blue collar my wife is 6 figure.

We got married and understand each other.

I have worked for millionaires. They have both treated me badly and well...

So no I don't pre judge people by salary but if it's your thing go for it.

All blue collar people love Donald Trump and irrational symbolic gestures. We are a monolith.

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Irishhaf

Lol,

Just read your posts. These out of touch 6 and 7 figure folks don't have a clue.

I am blue collar my wife is 6 figure.

We got married and understand each other.

I have worked for millionaires. They have both treated me badly and well...

So no I don't pre judge people by salary but if it's your thing go for it.

All blue collar people love Donald Trump and irrational symbolic gestures. We are a monolith.

I've noticed the black community that I go to church with like him. IN fact it appears that most do who aren't in BLM or Antifa. He is a breath of fresh air to jobs in the black community and telling bad people off makes them very happy. Truth telling is dangerous in a society the abhors the truth. Woe to the deniers who are not ignorant because we can fix that.

eta
The black ministers I have heard speak say that it is YOUR responsibility to act civil when pulled over by the leo's. Also, dont wear a hoodie, pull up your pants we don't need to see your underwear, go to church to learn to love your neighbor, and be there for your family at all times. They say blame yourself if you commit a crime because you were raised to be a better person than that. I could go on and on with what they are saying that doesn't fit the CNN/BSNBC/CBS narrative.

a reply to: luthier

You do realize that someone can make an observation and not be judging them right??

So why are you getting so upset by an observation?

These disgusting ball players, disrespecting the United States and its symbols, especially on foreign soil. Can kiss my backside. I will no longer support the NFL in any way shape or form. Some of these players certainly are not Saints, they have a long way to go before they can lecture the rest of us...... want to do something about it here are some numbers. NFL ARREST DATABASE -
Team # of Arrests Since 2000
Minnesota Vikings 42
Cincinnati Bengals 40
Denver Broncos 36
Tennessee Titans 33
Miami Dolphins 28
Kansas City Chiefs 28
Jacksonville Jaguars 27
Tampa Bay Buccaneers 27
Cleveland Browns 26
San Diego Chargers 25
Indianapolis Colts 24
Chicago Bears 23
Seattle Seahawks 20
New Orleans Saints 20
Washington Redskins 18
Oakland Raiders 18
Baltimore Ravns 18
Carolina Panthers 18
Green Bay Packers 17
Pittsburgh Steelers 17

Atlanta Falcons 16
San Francisco 49ers 16
Detroit Lions 15
New England Patriots 15
Buffalo Bills 14
Dallas Cowboys 13
New York Giants 13
Arizona Cardinals 12
New York Jets 11
Philadelphia Eagles 10
Houston Texans 9
St Louis Rams 8
Total 656
Data source: San Diego Union Tribune NFL Arrest Database
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Corporate Phone Numbers for NFL Sponsors
Let them know if you agree or disagree that players are disrespectful during the playing of our National Anthem.
PepsiCo 800-433-2562
Visa 800-847-2911
Campbell’s Soup 800-257-8443
FedEx 800-463-3339
Mars Snackfood 908-850-1753
Dairy Management Inc. 847-803-2000
Bridgestone Tire 904-779-8300
Procter & Gamble 513-983-1100
Verizon 212-395-1000
Barclays 212-526-7000
Papa John’s 513-737-3506
Castrol 888-227-8765
Anheuser-Busch 314-577-2000
USAA 800-531-8722
Bose 800-999-2673
Marriot 301-380-3000
Microsoft 813-281-3900
Lenovo 866-968-4465
SAP 610-661-1000
Zebra Technologies 846-634-6700
TD Ameritrade 800-237-8692
Extreme Networks 888-257-3000
Nationwide Insurance 800-882-2822
Hyundai 800-633-5151
Dannon 914-872-8400
History Lesson: There is right and wrong time and place to protest.

a reply to: nmaben

Hey, look. I can spam too.

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: nmaben
As I have said before on this thread, the behavior of these teams is disgusting and disgraceful. Disrespecting America and its symbols, especially on foreign soil is revolting. Many of these players, have a long way to go before they can pontificate to the rest of us. Want to do something about it, here are some numbers.
NFL ARREST DATABASE -
Team # of Arrests Since 2000
Minnesota Vikings 42
Cincinnati Bengals 40
Denver Broncos 36
Tennessee Titans 33
Miami Dolphins 28
Kansas City Chiefs 28
Jacksonville Jaguars 27
Tampa Bay Buccaneers 27
Cleveland Browns 26
San Diego Chargers 25
Indianapolis Colts 24
Chicago Bears 23
Seattle Seahawks 20
New Orleans Saints 20
Washington Redskins 18
Oakland Raiders 18
Baltimore Ravens 18
Carolina Panthers 18
Gree Bay Packers 17
Pittsburgh Steelers 17
Copy paste spread and boycott everywhere!
Atlanta Falcons 16
San Francisco 49ers 16
Detroit Lions 15
New England Patriots 15
Buffalo Bills 14
Dallas Cowboys 13
New York Giants 13
Arizona Cardinals 12
New York Jets 11
Philadelphia Eagles 10
Houston Texans 9
St Louis Rams 8
Total 656

There's 1700 players on the active roster any given year. That doesn't include the practice squad and staff. HUGE turnover year to year due to injury, retirement and player falloff. So 38 arrests(not convictions) per year is hardly noteworthy.

Corporate Phone Numbers for NFL Sponsors
Let them know if you agree or disagree that players are disrespectful during the playing of our National Anthem.
PepsiCo 800-433-2562
Visa 800-847-2911
Campbell’s Soup 800-257-8443
FedEx 800-463-3339
Mars Snackfood 908-850-1753
Dairy Management Inc. 847-803-2000
Bridgestone Tire 904-779-8300
Procter & Gamble 513-983-1100
Verizon 212-395-1000
Barclays 212-526-7000
Papa John’s 513-737-3506
Castrol 888-227-8765
Anheuser-Busch 314-577-2000
USAA 800-531-8722
Bose 800-999-2673
Marriot 301-380-3000
Microsoft 813-281-3900
Lenovo 866-968-4465
SAP 610-661-1000
Zebra Technologies 846-634-6700
TD Ameritrade 800-237-8692
Extreme Networks 888-257-3000
Nationwide Insurance 800-882-2822
Hyundai 800-633-5151
Dannon 914-872-8400
History Lesson: There is right and wrong time and place to protest.

Pretty sure that is against the T&C.

originally posted by: intrepid I will say this again, it is not against the rules you can call in and voice your opinion for or against as your conscience dictates. Simply giving the information.
a reply to: nmaben

Hey, look. I can spam too.

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: nmaben
As I have said before on this thread, the behavior of these teams is disgusting and disgraceful. Disrespecting America and its symbols, especially on foreign soil is revolting. Many of these players, have a long way to go before they can pontificate to the rest of us. Want to do something about it, here are some numbers.
NFL ARREST DATABASE -
Team # of Arrests Since 2000
Minnesota Vikings 42
Cincinnati Bengals 40
Denver Broncos 36
Tennessee Titans 33
Miami Dolphins 28
Kansas City Chiefs 28
Jacksonville Jaguars 27
Tampa Bay Buccaneers 27
Cleveland Browns 26
San Diego Chargers 25
Indianapolis Colts 24
Chicago Bears 23
Seattle Seahawks 20
New Orleans Saints 20
Washington Redskins 18
Oakland Raiders 18
Baltimore Ravens 18
Carolina Panthers 18
Gree Bay Packers 17
Pittsburgh Steelers 17
Copy paste spread and boycott everywhere!
Atlanta Falcons 16
San Francisco 49ers 16
Detroit Lions 15
New England Patriots 15
Buffalo Bills 14
Dallas Cowboys 13
New York Giants 13
Arizona Cardinals 12
New York Jets 11
Philadelphia Eagles 10
Houston Texans 9
St Louis Rams 8
Total 656

There's 1700 players on the active roster any given year. That doesn't include the practice squad and staff. HUGE turnover year to year due to injury, retirement and player falloff. So 38 arrests(not convictions) per year is hardly noteworthy.

Corporate Phone Numbers for NFL Sponsors
Let them know if you agree or disagree that players are disrespectful during the playing of our National Anthem.
PepsiCo 800-433-2562
Visa 800-847-2911
Campbell’s Soup 800-257-8443
FedEx 800-463-3339
Mars Snackfood 908-850-1753
Dairy Management Inc. 847-803-2000
Bridgestone Tire 904-779-8300
Procter & Gamble 513-983-1100
Verizon 212-395-1000
Barclays 212-526-7000
Papa John’s 513-737-3506
Castrol 888-227-8765
Anheuser-Busch 314-577-2000
USAA 800-531-8722
Bose 800-999-2673
Marriot 301-380-3000
Microsoft 813-281-3900
Lenovo 866-968-4465
SAP 610-661-1000
Zebra Technologies 846-634-6700
TD Ameritrade 800-237-8692
Extreme Networks 888-257-3000
Nationwide Insurance 800-882-2822
Hyundai 800-633-5151
Dannon 914-872-8400
History Lesson: There is right and wrong time and place to protest.

Pretty sure that is against the T&C.

a reply to: TinfoilTP Those who take a knee against our Flag are the same ones you won’t be able to trust in Battle