Can someone please solve this riddle?

Hello fellow ATSers. I was sent this video by my sister as she was driving from the San Fernando Valley to Oxnard. She thought I was going to be able to answer her question but I was left puzzled.

"Sun is there, rays are shooting up. But the moon's showing that the sun is on top of it. How is the rays shooting here, if the moon's shadow is on the same side where the sun is?"

My answer: Heck I don't know, I'll post it on ATS.

So there you go guys, who can solve this?

a reply to: Oddba1l

i dont fully understand but it sounds like the moon is not in direct line of sight of the sun.

a reply to: choos

Basically she's saying that the moon's shadow shouldn't be there since the sun's rays should be hitting it.

You may be forgetting that the moon is not flat, it is a spherical shadow.

All is in proportion...

When you get home, grab a desk lamp and some apples or oranges and conduct a test....

BTW, your sister sounds like she is trippin, or on the way home from a root canal

a reply to: scubagravy

So you're saying light is bending around the moon towards the side where sunlight is void?
Perhaps the sun rays are being reflected off of dense clouds?

Looks like plain ol' Crepuscular rays. Take a gander at various pictures of Crepuscular Rays.


If the sunset was behind her, this particular type is what she saw.

The moon can be seen during the day...
I see it all the time. I doesn't need the sun's direct rays to be visible.

Me thinks it's because the poster spends more time with her nose pressed against a cell phone screen than the sky to have ever noticed before.

originally posted by: scubagravy
You may be forgetting that the moon is not flat, it is a spherical shadow.

All is in proportion...

When you get home, grab a desk lamp and some apples or oranges and conduct a test....

BTW, your sister sounds like she is trippin, or on the way home from a root canal

She was on her way to meet a friend and was "trippin out" on what she couldn't explain.

a reply to: Oddba1l

haha, i know,

i'll be honest, the video quality is pretty poor, i was just pointing out a common misconception concerning the suns rays and shadows on the moon.

originally posted by: JAY1980
The moon can be seen during the day...
I see it all the time. I doesn't need the sun's direct rays to be visible.

Me thinks it's because the poster spends more time with her nose pressed against a cell phone screen than the sky to have ever noticed before.

Of course it could be seen during the day. She's talking about why does it shine bright on the side where the sun ISN'T at and why is a shadow cast on the moon where the sun IS at.

originally posted by: Nyiah
Looks like plain ol' Crepuscular rays. Take a gander at various pictures of Crepuscular Rays.

If the sunset was behind her, this particular type is what she saw.

Plain, indeed.
But what is more confusing is anti-crepuscular rays.
www.atoptics.co.uk...

a reply to: Oddba1l

It does look like the sun should be behind her based on the moon..

San fernando to oxnard is basically due west. meaning shes driving into the sunset and yet the moon seems lit from behind the car.

so yea Im a little confused to.

so if shes headed west and the sun really is behind her... Sun rise??

There is that pink cloud at the beginnig of that video, similar to this

cloud

So i think that the sun is at her back.

a reply to: Oddba1l

The moon is in a position where the entire surface that we see is getting sun light from said rising/setting sun

simple stuff...

a reply to: Sucellus
Like this?

Rays in the east opposite the setting sun the foreground and clouds are still sunlit.

www.atoptics.co.uk...

a reply to: Phage
Exactly. The sun on the video is a bit below the horizon.

a reply to: Sucellus

It's more fun to say than it is to type.
Anticrepuscular.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Sucellus

It's more fun to say than it is to type.
Anticrepuscular.

That's sounds a like a good name for pimple cream...

that pic shows her looking away.....at sunset she's looking East.

betcha

the rays are so prevalent...no....umm....apparent....no......cool looking man

originally posted by: Oddba1l
Hello fellow ATSers. I was sent this video by my sister as she was driving from the San Fernando Valley to Oxnard. She thought I was going to be able to answer her question but I was left puzzled.

"Sun is there, rays are shooting up. But the moon's showing that the sun is on top of it. How is the rays shooting here, if the moon's shadow is on the same side where the sun is?"

My answer: Heck I don't know, I'll post it on ATS.

So there you go guys, who can solve this?

Michael to the rescue!
He does a pretty good job of explaining the illusion.