California introduces bill forcing presidential candidates to release taxes

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: charlyv

Is this a violation of your rights?

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If you want your name on the California primary ballot, you will release your tax returns. Seems pretty straight forward.

C'Mon, its not the same analogy. Peoples financial data should be private, as long as they stay within the law. The federal government has no stipulation like this, so California has a vertical hill to climb to make this something the federal government would allow.

a reply to: marg6043

California's Democratic governor, Jerry Brown has not released his tax returns in 30 years

Yeah. And Trump never has. What's your point?

Yeah. And if the bill passes, and Brown wants to run for president in a California primary, he will have to release his taxes.

The bill because it affects the constitutional rights of individuals can be challenged in court.

Any law can be challenged in court.

a reply to: charlyv

As a state employee not only is the amount I am paid, my salary for the job classification I hold, a matter of public record, my actual name is published with my salary, for public scrutiny.

I have to accept this if I want to keep my job.

Why shouldn't someone running for the highest office in the land be held to the same, in deed, higher standards, as a condition for employment?

a reply to: MotherMayEye

Well, posturing is a funny thing.

And this is just my own take ... but, for the last eight years, the only things Republicans wanted to talk about was States Rights. Obviously, this related to the fact that there was a Democrat in the White House. Many other assertions, like Executive Orders aren't Constitutional and if they are they're still tyrannical ... have been set aside ... now that they are in power.

And this is not surprising ... all authoritarians seek the highest level of power possible.

Yet, we've had to hear for ... decades really, about States Rights, that the States are all Sovereign powers, etc. etc.

Yet, now, when we have a State exercising that Sovereignty ... ACCORDING TO THE SAME INDIVIDUALS, they're wrong, anti-American, Communist, etc.

It's that cloying, gnawing, reprehensible hypocrisy that galls my soul.

Fair bill all across the board. Wish this was carried out before our last election.

a reply to: charlyv

The federal government has no stipulation like this, so California has a vertical hill to climb to make this something the federal government would allow.

The federal government has no election laws.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
It's that cloying, gnawing, reprehensible hypocrisy that galls my soul.

Believe me, I can appreciate that.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: charlyv

The federal government has no stipulation like this, so California has a vertical hill to climb to make this something the federal government would allow.

The federal government has no election laws.

Yes, they do.

The Help America Vote Act
52 U.S. Code Subtitle II - Voting Assistance and Election Administration

We allowed the federal government to tell the states how to run their elections with the passage of the HAVA, in 2002.

a reply to: MotherMayEye
Yeah. My statement was too broad. I should have said ballot access laws, which is the context of the thread.

This is clearly just an attempt to get to Trump. We all know that career politicians are very good at hiding their money. The Clintons' wealth is hidden the Clinton Foundation. Tax returns are about as useful as birth certificates.

a reply to: LogicalGraphitti

Tax returns don't tell a whole lot. A lot of income is not taxed.

What do Trump's taxes have to do with his ability to run the USA? Because it's pretty clear this bill is some sort of defiant tongue, stuck out like a child's behind their mother's back when they've got to have the "final word".

If this bill goes through, Oprah's gonna catch hell in 2020.

a reply to: hombero

What do Trump's taxes have to do with his ability to run the USA?

Not much. But, as is so eloquently stated in the bill:

The Legislature also finds and declares that a Presidential candidate’s income tax returns provide voters with essential information regarding the candidate’s potential conflicts of interest, business dealings, financial status, and charitable donations. The information in tax returns therefore helps voters to make a more informed decision.

leginfo.legislature.ca.gov...

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: opecz
If they want to be on the ballot in California for the primary and for the 50 something electoral votes in the general, they have to release their taxes from the most recent 5 years. I think it's fair. It's about transparency. If they have nothing to hide, then they should do so.

California has 172 delegates in the GOP primary, so if Trump is to have a chance to be the GOP nominee again in 2020, then he will have to release his taxes.

What transparency are you looking for? Trump get audited like every year and has a team of tax lawyers working to ensure all is done within the law, so just what is it you want to find? I bet we would find more "flaws" on your taxes than his...lol

How about releasing their medical history too for the public to see?

Just wonder where all of that sweet hat money he's making off of holding public office is going...
He'll have another hat soon enough for you to buy. And another. Maybe he'll go bigly with t shirts! People should not be able to profit from holding public office. He's already making bank by putting up the secret service and foreign dignitaries at his Florida golf course with the fake Time Man of the Year pictures on the walls...

originally posted by: the owlbear

Just wonder where all of that sweet hat money he's making off of holding public office is going...
He'll have another hat soon enough for you to buy. And another. Maybe he'll go bigly with t shirts! People should not be able to profit from holding public office. He's already making bank by putting up the secret service and foreign dignitaries at his Florida golf course with the fake Time Man of the Year pictures on the walls...

So you hate Trump, I get it... I don't particularly like him much either, but he is President and I would like to see him successful because that means the country is successful.

TAKE TRUMP DOWN! Is the chant I keep hearing from many of you no matter the cost...What are we up to a half dozen of conspiracies/false charges and now its like well lets see what is in his taxes THAT'S THE TICKET!

You do know that Trump is playing with you all over his taxes, don't you? You want it so bad on the left and he is just grinning keeping them locked down. Old Maddow was frothing at the mouth over one recent year of his returns that she got her hands on and he paid 35 mil in taxes...lol.

He donates his wages, he even gave a million for hurricane support, but that all is evil too in some way right?

Who cares how much a president makes anymore. This entire country has no real safety net for poverty. If you don't make money in everything you do from a daily basis.... how can you run this nation? How do you know what anyone is going through If you aren't trying to make money? If you have a leader that doesn't work for money then how does he know what Americans need?

I know this sounds pro Trump right now, but I hate him. Bernie Sanders knows how to fight. Hillary Clinton knows how to roll over. Trump..... just files suit to get his way.

a reply to: GiulXainx

Who cares how much a president makes anymore.

That's not really what this is about. Trump likes to brag about how rich he is.
This is about how a president makes what he makes.
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originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: opecz
If they want to be on the ballot in California for the primary and for the 50 something electoral votes in the general, they have to release their taxes from the most recent 5 years. I think it's fair. It's about transparency. If they have nothing to hide, then they should do so.

California has 172 delegates in the GOP primary, so if Trump is to have a chance to be the GOP nominee again in 2020, then he will have to release his taxes.

What transparency are you looking for? Trump get audited like every year and has a team of tax lawyers working to ensure all is done within the law, so just what is it you want to find? I bet we would find more "flaws" on your taxes than his...lol

Then he should be proud to release his tax returns?

originally posted by: soberbacchus

Then he should be proud to release his tax returns?

Why? If the left hammers him for them I would think he would just play the game...