Did Ancient Humans Coexisted with Dinosaurs?

a reply to: ancienthistorian

They've found human foot prints alongside dinosaurs so I'd say really likely. The human prints may have even been the Adapa for all we know.

WTF is going on in this thread?

Something like a race between neckbeards, incels and no-homos to reach thread-bottom?

Grow up, kids, and leave the trolls.

originally posted by: Noinden
a reply to: ancienthistorian

NO. No they did not. Until concrete proof, not cirumstantial shows up. The answer is an emphatic No.

Shouldnt that be, we just dont have the evidence to know

Just calm down, you are over reacting....again

a reply to: Raggedyman

Though we do have evidence

What we dig up from a specific layer of the earth doesn't exist, and hasn't for millions of years

in said layers, we're not present... nor is anything even close to us... period

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: Raggedyman

Though we do have evidence

What we dig up from a specific layer of the earth doesn't exist, and hasn't for millions of years

in said layers, we're not present... nor is anything even close to us... period

Of course Ak, you know everything
My mistake, my apologies

a reply to: Raggedyman

To be technical, ancient species still live among us.

Some are living fossiles (like that one weird fish that lives in the oceans deep named coelacanth. Other similar ancient species that have survived much without changing are horse shoe crab and nautilus), one species could actually be called a dinosaur. If one lives still today, there could have been others.

What am I speking of? Well, the species is called Tuatara. They say it has survived from the age of dinosaurs, unchanged. Back from millions of years ago. Now if you look at it, it looks like a dinosaur. If you could go back milions of years to a forest and you would see a large diplodocus, after that a stegosaurus, then a t-rex and then an iguanadon, and after that a small pack of tuataras, would you say to yourself: I just saw 4 dinosaur and one animal which is not a dinosaur because its not as big....and tabloids say so.

You see, only small species survived yhe extinction event and the changing habitat that followed. Not very large species survived. Also earths oxygen to co2 ratio has been very different in the past. Some new studies say oxygen was lower than now. How that affects, life, who knows.

In my opinion this tuatara is a dinosaur. They just dont want to advertise it as such, otherwise everyone would want one.

If I would be super rich, I would start a scientific experiment into tuataras. I would have a team of scentist try to search for a "growth" Gene in tuataras.

Maybe it has a so called "dormant gene" that ancient dinosaur had, the larger ones, a gene that makes them simply put, large. I would try to activate it. I would also build a habitat that would mimic its original habitat millions of years ago, changing the oxygen to co2 ratio, etc. Tuatara could grow to the size of a large pig for example. If we get it to a pigs size, we could breed those for sometime and see where it would go, maybe even a size of a horse could be achieved through generationsbofbbreeding and genetica modification. Cross it with a croc if nothing else helps...




Now if that isnt "Jurssic park" stuff for you people, I don't know what is.

With this all said, neanderthals draw mammoths into cavepaintings, we have had sabertooth tigers and those huge birds called: Bullockornis ("demon duck of doom" also named "thunderbird") and the up to 650kg and 3 meter high Dromornis that lived 30000 years ago.

South-american folklore about feathered large reptiles can come from these animals still living 10000 years ago for example, or the people 10000 years ago found......CAVE PAINTINGS, of those things, paintings made even earlier by those humanoids that lived 10000 to 30000 years ago in South america and so on. After they found the cavepaintings, I mean the mayas and aztecs, they took those animals in the cavepaintings as ancient beings to be worhshipped for example.

Also, a bird called Phorusrhacos longissimus, lived in South-America. Maybe mayas and incas found its fossil. This bird was 2.5m tall an looks similar to those cave paintings. This bird is also known as...the terror bird


Puzzle solved, or is it?

Also we must remember, South-America is and was a warm place. Not a cold tundra like siberia where if a mammoth died with flower in its mouth, it could be frozen when the iceage frosts came next minute (this mammoth exists, you can find info about it with google).

So with this being said, a hot forest full of life would consume these bird raptors if they went extinct and finding bones would be much harder compared to siberia for example.

These are just my thoughts. Would be interesting if they went into middle of the amazon forst and dug up 300m straight down, a huge hole, with a width of 1km. Who knows what they would find.

Also, whole of south-america should be mapped with gound penetrating satellite radars. We could find those caves, and with good luck, some paintings. We would also find all the temples we havent found yet.

a reply to: ancienthistorian

Nope, but they did keep finding the evidence - skeletons and fossils and they saw huge whales, snakes, crocs and lizards with their own eyes. They may be thought these animals still existed because of the bones and imagination would do the rest; putting two and two together, but making five.

It is easy to understand the dragons. People must have found many pterodactyl skeletons in the stratum and imagination did the rest. They would not know about extinctions and archaeology.

Quite possibly the catalyst for all the mythical beasts came from the bones and remains. In icy places they may be found some strange remains. There was a melting of the ice in the age of humans. The last thaw may have destroyed many interesting remains. Even now we find mammoths still intact. They came from the last ice age. Humans may have found remains from the ice age before that and they may have been some interesting species.

originally posted by: Noinden
a reply to: intrptr

Ahh but they did change. www.thoughtco.com...

The Crododile is pretty good at fitting a niche. But how many 10 ton monsters do you see today?

Sharks? Seen a Megladon recently? No seriosuly the great white is nothing compared to that sucker! They changed too. But again, they fill a niche.

The dinosaurs, they evolved. Their niche changed, again 65 million years is a good long time to evolve. Look at what a few million have done for Hominids?

According to evolution theory everything evolves, but not crocs, sharks, insects? Not even randomly, as is the supposed case for all other life forms. Since the environment favors all these mutations over time and all, just for the random hell of it...

Edit: By the way, whales and elephants weigh ten tons , and more.

To the guess that dragons are memories of extant dinosaurs, I doubt it, I cant remember where I'd seen it but this explanation was pretty sound to me. Dragons are an amalgamation of our greatest predators throughout our evolutionary history. The amalgamation is of big cats, birds of prey, and snakes. Our three greatest predatory threats since we scampered through trees.

a reply to: intrptr

What type of sharks, crocs or insects are around now that existed in the prehistoric era?

Edit: By the way, whales and elephants weigh ten tons , and more. And Ichigo Kurosaki has a Bankai! Wow man wow.

Coomba98

originally posted by: coomba98
a reply to: intrptr

What type of sharks, crocs or insects are around now that existed in the prehistoric era?

Megalodon was estimated to be fifty foot in length. The only fossil remains are teeth exact in shape as todays great white.

Bit they don't call it a white shark because that would make it sound less dinoasurish, lol.

gian t white sharks

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: coomba98
a reply to: intrptr

What type of sharks, crocs or insects are around now that existed in the prehistoric era?

Megalodon was estimated to be fifty foot in length. The only fossil remains are teeth exact in shape as todays great white.

Bit they don't call it a white shark because that would make it sound less dinoasurish, lol.

gian t white sharks

What shark is around that existed in the prehistoric era... you go to the Megalodon... which does not exist!

And thats how you answer a question by not answering the question.

Show me a record of a fifty foot great white!

Coomba98

originally posted by: coomba98

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: coomba98
a reply to: intrptr

What type of sharks, crocs or insects are around now that existed in the prehistoric era?

Megalodon was estimated to be fifty foot in length. The only fossil remains are teeth exact in shape as todays great white.

Bit they don't call it a white shark because that would make it sound less dinoasurish, lol.

gian t white sharks

What shark is around that existed in the prehistoric era... you go to the Megalodon... which does not exist!

And thats how you answer a question by not answering the question.

Show me a record of a fifty foot great white!

Coomba98

The shark is mostly cartilage, not good to fossilize. The teeth are there though. You got another source for the images of giant sharks teeth?

Where you think those teeth came from? Prove they didn't come from giant sharks...

originally posted by: Murgatroid

originally posted by: Dudemo5
For the record, dinosaurs are still alive today.

I know at least two members right here on ATS who would agree 100% with that statement...

Numerous other credible eyewitness sightings back it up as well...

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
Some years back, my brother and I saw something that could have been one of these. It was late at night (very common for us), and we were outside talking. Saw something really large (6-10 feet) flying around across the street. Both of us were, and are, quite familiar with various water birds, bats, birds of prey, etc, and this was none of those. Plus, there was something really menacing about it. It scared us both, and we didn't scare easily. That particular event has already been detailed to a researcher in the field, and should be in an upcoming book. Too many people report seeing these things to dismiss them out of hand.

originally posted by: InnerPeace2012
They seem to be nocturnal, come out during night times only...I am based in Port Moresby city, so the guys who travel in from the bushes do tell of their tales it's alive and well here the stories sightings.

There was one incident sometime back were a guy got snatched by this thing, there are reports of survivors of this strange flying beasts, although I haven't come face to face with any of survivors yet. There is just too many witness accounts here to dismiss this flying monsters.

In 1944, in (Papua) New Guinea, Duane Hodgkinson and his friend saw a "pterodactyl" with a wingspan similar to a Piper Tri-Pacer (29 feet).

Mr. Hodgkinson said that he did not see any feathers. As far as I recall, he did not declare that there could not have been any; but he was quite close to the "pterodactyl" when it was running to get airborne: perhaps less than 100 feet away, for the two men and the creature were in the same clearing and that jungle clearing was only about 100 feet across.

This is one of many many eyewitness testimonies of pterodactyles in Paupa New Guinea with one including a whole village witnessing a pterodactyl grab a man, fly him up to a tree and start eating him. (Bats and birds don't normally do that do they?) Society wants to come out of its era of ignorant skepticism brought on by too much brainwashing from tv. Go invest in an education please your weighing us down

Shortly after World War II, as Western missionaries began to penetrate the deep jungles and remote islands of Papua New Guinea, stories of a flying creature called the Ropen ("demon flyer") began to be reported. Duane Hodgkinson was stationed northwest of Lae, near Finschaven, PNG as part of the Army cavalry in 1944. About noon one day in August he was walking down a trail through a clearing in the forest when he was startled by a crashing in the brush. As he watched a large bird-like creature ponderously rose from the ground, circled and flew away.

Hodgkinson, a pilot, estimated the wing-span to be about 20 ft. He clearly recalls the dark-gray coloration, long serpentine neck, beak, and distinctive head crest. Described as a nocturnal creature, the Ropen possesses two leathery wings like a bat, a long tail with a flange on the end, a beak filled with teeth, and razor-sharp claws. An intriguing sea chart dated 1595 warns mariners to beware of a variety of "sea monsters." It depicts two flying creatures with a long necks, headcrests, ribbed wings and fantastical tails (split on the end like a flipper) flying above the islands of New Guinea. One is even shown as having dermal bumps.

Three men describe the pterodactyl-like creature of Umboi Island, Papua New Guinea. They saw the giant ropen (about 1994) flying over Lake Pung.

I interviewed these three young men when I was exploring Umboi Island (Papua New Guinea) in 2004. Seven boys had hiked up to the crater lake (Pung) in about 1994 and they ran home in terror after seeing the giant ropen fly over the lake. I later wrote a book about the ropen.

My expedition on Umboi Island (2004) was just a few weeks before the Guessman-Woetzel expedition. (the real David Woetzel who is an explorer and had nothing to do with a video from a so-called "1924 expedition") I interviewed these three young native men myself and verified Gideon's integrity by testing him with two almost identical drawings.

Japanese World War II Ship Shelled Pterosaur Caves

Three days ago, I received an email from R.K. (anonymous), of the Manus Island area of Papua New Guinea. (We starting communicating earlier this month.) The nocturnal flying creatures that he described to me–I believe they are ropens–were common and were dangerous to local fishermen previous to the early 1940’s, when their numbers declined. In these northern islands, the creature is called “kor.”

Here is part of R.K.’s account of the Japanese retaliation against the creatures that had attacked them:

”...it was the japs [Japanese miliary] on the island who were attacked by the kor. They [Japanese soldiers] apparently shot several wounding them then followed them to cves [caves] and blew [blew up] the entrances. They called ships fire on the hills and pounded them for several hours.”

www.phantomsandmonsters.com...

Don't quote my posts out of context. Thanks.

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: coomba98

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: coomba98
a reply to: intrptr

What type of sharks, crocs or insects are around now that existed in the prehistoric era?

Megalodon was estimated to be fifty foot in length. The only fossil remains are teeth exact in shape as todays great white.

Bit they don't call it a white shark because that would make it sound less dinoasurish, lol.

gian t white sharks

What shark is around that existed in the prehistoric era... you go to the Megalodon... which does not exist!

And thats how you answer a question by not answering the question.

Show me a record of a fifty foot great white!

Coomba98

The shark is mostly cartilage, not good to fossilize. The teeth are there though. You got another source for the images of giant sharks teeth?

Where you think those teeth came from? Prove they didn't come from giant sharks...

The largest verifiable Megalodon tooth is a 7.48” tooth found near Ocucaje, Peru. Compare that to the Great White shark whose teeth reached a maximum size of under 3 inches in the largest individuals.

Like saying Homo floresiensis are Homo Sapiens cause a tooth or more are the same. Just different sizes.

This is tap dancing and the very definition of an ignorance fallacy. Meaning, i dont know but ill make # up as it appeals to my beliefs as it sound right and not scientifically correct.

You drunker than me? Seems like it.

Coomba98

a reply to: ADSE255

No they have not..if memory serves

Those are a known dinosaur and were falsified by a the creationist making that claim in the first place..


"The Paluxy River became famous for controversy in the early 1930s when locals found dinosaur and supposed human footprints in the same rock layer in the Glen Rose Formation, which were widely publicized as evidence against the geological time scale and in favor of young-Earth creationism. However, these anachronistic "human" footprints have been determined to be mistaken interpretation or hoaxes.[2][3]"

en.m.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: coomba98

No way you just wrote that last part while claiming megaladons do not exist because:

" I'll make up what I think sounds good.."



Really your evidence for them being a hoax is you have never seen a 50ft shark?!?!

You do realize you've never seen a lot of things lol?!?

Ever seen a wooly mammoth??

A T Rex??

A do do bird??


Of course not..

Instead of only watching a couple you tube videos on creationism. You should actually listen to both sides..

About 90 of creationist claims are totally fabricating the truth..

No we do not extrapolate whole dinosaurs from a single tooth..


With megaladons the have the entire set of teeth.. so hypothetically it could be a giant eel with a sharks mouth or something..

But most of the modern analogs have real skeletons that should have fossilized as well. Sharks are semi unique in only their teeth being actual bone.

So you find a full set of Gigantic shark teeth, with no accompanying skeleton. That has the exact same set up as a modern great white.. and a modern great white's skeleton is cartledge so it wouldn't have fossilized..

The fact the teeth come from a gigantic version of the same type animal IS NOT a big leap..

It is the obvious conclusion..