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16 years later,9 unanswered questions.
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originally posted by: ParasuvO
originally posted by: audubon
originally posted by: Willtell
Number 9 is a new one to me, and seems to be proof on the side of the truthers who don’t think a plane hit the pentagon.
I just gave it a listen. I think that a transcription of the reporter's statements would miss the inflections and stresses in his voice.
Put baldly, he says: "There's no evidence that a plane hit anywhere near the Pentagon."
But when you listen to it, he says: "There's no evidence that a plane hit anywhere near the Pentagon."
What he's doing is actually saying that this wasn't a near-miss, it was a direct strike. He then goes on to talk about the bits of wreckage scattered around, saying that there are no large sections like tailfin or wings discernible. He's painting a picture for viewers, since news cameras were being kept at a distance, not promoting a controversial new theory.
This is laughable, in its entirety.
He is plainly saying, as EVERYONE KNOWS, that nothing AT ALL that comes from a plane could be seen, and we know it from the pictures.
The video he made years later in reverent fearful apology said nothing of the sort of what you are saying either.
He and everyone else there can think for themselves and realize no plane had hit.
In fact none of them at any point talked about planes until they were asked or TOLD about the planes hitting WTC.
Nothing about the damage, or any part of the story leads any logical mind to think a plane would have caused that damage.
Missile, anything else, not a plane.
Not to mention that if he meant to describe a direct hit, it's easier to say just that than confuse the matter with the statement he did make.
originally posted by: PsychicCroMag ...and the govt puts into place the largest domestic spying agency in history attacking our Liberty's and our Freedom.
the entire event was planned and carried out exactly to enable that.
2 other un answered questions- why not a single person n the cockpit in four airliners was able to switch the "high jacking in progress" switch. i was
on the spa 49 long range air search radar on board the nimitz, 87-91. when a plane is in trouble, a pilot or co pilot just flip a switch and the plane
will light up like a christmas tree on radar scopes.
why were f.a.a. rules not followed on 9-11 for planes that have lost voice contact with towers yet are still on scope? look up golfer payne stewart. when tower lost contact with his plane in 99 after 15 minutes yet it was still on the scope, they called the air force and they sent up 2 jets to see what was going on. those were/are the regs/rules. 4 large airliners, no comms, and no one called the air force?
why were f.a.a. rules not followed on 9-11 for planes that have lost voice contact with towers yet are still on scope? look up golfer payne stewart. when tower lost contact with his plane in 99 after 15 minutes yet it was still on the scope, they called the air force and they sent up 2 jets to see what was going on. those were/are the regs/rules. 4 large airliners, no comms, and no one called the air force?
originally posted by: NthOther
These past sixteen years have taught me one thing:
The American public is every bit as stupid as the perpetrators of the attack planned on them being.
Sixteen years and you f# retards are still bickering about the politics of a system that slaughters its own people and laughs in your face about it.
Sixteen years has taught me that America deserves to have its ass handed to it by whoever has the balls to get it done.
Ripe for the harvest.
With mayonnaise and ketchup
Here's part 1 of 7 of a good documentary, "Everybody's Gotta Learn Sometime", outlining the efforts of the victims families to try to get a proper and
impartial investigation to answer their questions, almost all of which went conspicuously unanswered and unresolved.
This event and it's cover up really ruined in many ways, the heart and soul of the USA.
It's like an incestuous rape that the family pretends never happened.
History and the cause of Civilization simply cannot be built on a Big Lie.
It was a bad BAD and wicked policy, from the moment it was hatched in the minds of the likes of Paul Wolfowitz and Philip Zelikow, among others.
It's like an incestuous rape that the family pretends never happened.
History and the cause of Civilization simply cannot be built on a Big Lie.
It was a bad BAD and wicked policy, from the moment it was hatched in the minds of the likes of Paul Wolfowitz and Philip Zelikow, among others.
edit on 11-9-2017 by AnkhMorpork because: edit
Its so much clear evidence of an inside job that often I wonder is that part of the plot
Indeed, 911 if anything was a black psychological operation of immense proportions on the world, and particularly the American people.
Did some elitists make a dollar bet whether the American people would see through this sham or not, like in the movie TRADING PLACES.
This may be a part of the operation to see how blind the American public is.
Our EYES our WIDE SHUT regarding 911 AND MANY OTHER THINGS
That tells us they can, or they think they can, get away with anything.
I suspect EVERYTHING is tainted now. NOHTING CAN BE TRUSTED
With 911 millions of aware people (though nearly not enough) will NEVER trust this government again.
From hurricanes to wars, to the elections, NOTHING can be trusted again.
Nothing on the major networks can ever be seen as reliable
No politician is trustworthy, from any side of the political spectrum
For if they let you in likely something is wrong with you
The only one I can think of with some truth in her is Cynthia McKinney…maybe a few others. Of course the Zionist lobby took care of her…
It makes one wonder
In America is ignorance is truly bliss ?
Indeed, 911 if anything was a black psychological operation of immense proportions on the world, and particularly the American people.
Did some elitists make a dollar bet whether the American people would see through this sham or not, like in the movie TRADING PLACES.
This may be a part of the operation to see how blind the American public is.
Our EYES our WIDE SHUT regarding 911 AND MANY OTHER THINGS
That tells us they can, or they think they can, get away with anything.
I suspect EVERYTHING is tainted now. NOHTING CAN BE TRUSTED
With 911 millions of aware people (though nearly not enough) will NEVER trust this government again.
From hurricanes to wars, to the elections, NOTHING can be trusted again.
Nothing on the major networks can ever be seen as reliable
No politician is trustworthy, from any side of the political spectrum
For if they let you in likely something is wrong with you
The only one I can think of with some truth in her is Cynthia McKinney…maybe a few others. Of course the Zionist lobby took care of her…
It makes one wonder
In America is ignorance is truly bliss ?
a reply to: Willtell
Yes, the use of the derogatory "conspiracy theory" was definitely woven straight into the operation itself and was certainly necessary for operational "success" particularly as it relates the destruction and apparent cause of destruction of the twin towers.
In terms of its evil genius and complexities and sheer brazenness, it was very "impressive".
As but one example, what if the second plane didn't managed to fully impact the south tower but only clipped it..?
It required a suspension of disbelief according to the magnitude of the event itself, whereby the official story narrative is the only one that appears to hold together according to Occam's Razor, which would then cut away and render all "conspiracy theories" as incredulous, and aren't they all over the map..?
It's a case of magical realism whereby any "conspiracy theory" must be discarded in the face of what is already unbelievable and incomprehensible. Philip Zelikow, the future Chairman of the 9/11 Commission wrote a lot about these kinds of ideas including their use and misuse in the formation of public myths and historical mythmaking.
To then ask people to believe something else about it, when they can see with their own eyes that "planes hit, the buildings collapsed - we were attacked" just defies the human imagination, and then to top it off and ask people to consider that elements of the US Government, including the Executive Branch of the POTUS and Pentagon itself in fact orchestrated the event as a murderous false flag psyop, such a contention cannot be believed or accepted, and it requires an apparent violation of Occam's razor along with a bifurcation of conspiracies.
Conspiracy theory was very much relied upon as an element of the central crux of the psyop itself as a form of slight of hand and very black magic of the worse kind involving human sacrifice as a pretext and justification to still more human sacrifice all in the name of "security" and "justice" yet simply as a means to near perpetual warfare.
It's all in the PNAC document, the outward policies of which Obama appears only to have run further downfield.
What makes this event unique, imo, is that it renders the "devil" in the system entirely transparent, and explicit, when it rears its ugly head as it did on that glorious "before" moment on a sunny September day in 2001 a day that will live on in infamy and don't almost all of us remember it all too well.
In many ways it was TOO brazen and over the top, and as a result, we have what looks like a chain of evidence capable of wrapping up the beast in the system and deep sixing it for 1000 years.
All of heaven knows the truth about 9/11.
Dick Cheney and others were fools to operate on the basis that there is no God and no objective truth and reality but what we make of it and say it is.
To reject the official story in light of all the evidence, is to lay claim to the real world and history as it is, while honoring the many victims both on that day and in its wake.
100 years from now, will people look at everything there is to know about it and simply accept the 9/11 Commission Report and the NIST Report as the true history of the event?, or will, once again, the wicked beast in the system be perceived, and be thus chained down in the abyss, (which means oblivion), as simply unworthy of the human being in the 21st century or in any age or time?
It was a terrible policy through and through leading to only untold death and destruction in its wake, and a world that just isn't quite the same or quite as authentic as it was before the event took place.
For the sake of the many victims, ourselves included at some level, we need to remain dedicated to a Spirit of Truth and Reality where their true memory resides ie: they would want for us to speak out.
The price of freedom is eternal vigilance. What 9/11 teaches us is that we have to be perhaps even more vigilant towards the enemy within the gate, as the one without it, and watch for surveillance overreach and the erosion of Civil Liberties, just as Philip Zelikow predicted in his seminal publication, produced along with Jamie Gorelick, Robert Gates and Ashton Cater, as part of a "Think Tank", called "Catastrophic Terrorism: Imagining the Transformative Event" written in 1998.
www.foreignaffairs.com...
Yes, the use of the derogatory "conspiracy theory" was definitely woven straight into the operation itself and was certainly necessary for operational "success" particularly as it relates the destruction and apparent cause of destruction of the twin towers.
In terms of its evil genius and complexities and sheer brazenness, it was very "impressive".
As but one example, what if the second plane didn't managed to fully impact the south tower but only clipped it..?
It required a suspension of disbelief according to the magnitude of the event itself, whereby the official story narrative is the only one that appears to hold together according to Occam's Razor, which would then cut away and render all "conspiracy theories" as incredulous, and aren't they all over the map..?
It's a case of magical realism whereby any "conspiracy theory" must be discarded in the face of what is already unbelievable and incomprehensible. Philip Zelikow, the future Chairman of the 9/11 Commission wrote a lot about these kinds of ideas including their use and misuse in the formation of public myths and historical mythmaking.
Magical realism is defined as what happens when a highly detailed, realistic setting is invaded by something too strange to believe.
To then ask people to believe something else about it, when they can see with their own eyes that "planes hit, the buildings collapsed - we were attacked" just defies the human imagination, and then to top it off and ask people to consider that elements of the US Government, including the Executive Branch of the POTUS and Pentagon itself in fact orchestrated the event as a murderous false flag psyop, such a contention cannot be believed or accepted, and it requires an apparent violation of Occam's razor along with a bifurcation of conspiracies.
Conspiracy theory was very much relied upon as an element of the central crux of the psyop itself as a form of slight of hand and very black magic of the worse kind involving human sacrifice as a pretext and justification to still more human sacrifice all in the name of "security" and "justice" yet simply as a means to near perpetual warfare.
It's all in the PNAC document, the outward policies of which Obama appears only to have run further downfield.
What makes this event unique, imo, is that it renders the "devil" in the system entirely transparent, and explicit, when it rears its ugly head as it did on that glorious "before" moment on a sunny September day in 2001 a day that will live on in infamy and don't almost all of us remember it all too well.
In many ways it was TOO brazen and over the top, and as a result, we have what looks like a chain of evidence capable of wrapping up the beast in the system and deep sixing it for 1000 years.
All of heaven knows the truth about 9/11.
Dick Cheney and others were fools to operate on the basis that there is no God and no objective truth and reality but what we make of it and say it is.
To reject the official story in light of all the evidence, is to lay claim to the real world and history as it is, while honoring the many victims both on that day and in its wake.
100 years from now, will people look at everything there is to know about it and simply accept the 9/11 Commission Report and the NIST Report as the true history of the event?, or will, once again, the wicked beast in the system be perceived, and be thus chained down in the abyss, (which means oblivion), as simply unworthy of the human being in the 21st century or in any age or time?
It was a terrible policy through and through leading to only untold death and destruction in its wake, and a world that just isn't quite the same or quite as authentic as it was before the event took place.
For the sake of the many victims, ourselves included at some level, we need to remain dedicated to a Spirit of Truth and Reality where their true memory resides ie: they would want for us to speak out.
The price of freedom is eternal vigilance. What 9/11 teaches us is that we have to be perhaps even more vigilant towards the enemy within the gate, as the one without it, and watch for surveillance overreach and the erosion of Civil Liberties, just as Philip Zelikow predicted in his seminal publication, produced along with Jamie Gorelick, Robert Gates and Ashton Cater, as part of a "Think Tank", called "Catastrophic Terrorism: Imagining the Transformative Event" written in 1998.
www.foreignaffairs.com...
edit on 11-9-2017 by AnkhMorpork because: (no reason given)
a reply to: AnkhMorpork
There probably were mistakes in this plot but the overall operation was a success becuse of the gullibility of the population.
If you look at flight 93 going down in Pennsylvania, one wonders whether that was an anomaly or a planned action.
The fake phone calls may be an indication that this was a propaganda element. Recall the supposed “ lets roll” supposedly coming from a cell phone call from that flight.
I think, for whatever reason flight 93 was chased and shot down.
There probably were mistakes in this plot but the overall operation was a success becuse of the gullibility of the population.
If you look at flight 93 going down in Pennsylvania, one wonders whether that was an anomaly or a planned action.
The fake phone calls may be an indication that this was a propaganda element. Recall the supposed “ lets roll” supposedly coming from a cell phone call from that flight.
I think, for whatever reason flight 93 was chased and shot down.
edit on 11-9-2017 by Willtell because: (no reason given)
Wow... the "it's a frame" message in that call...that is amazing.
a reply to: CajunMetal
Re: Cee Cee Lyles "it's a frame"
You can find the recording at Wikipedia's "Flight 93" about half way down the page at "Phone call made by CeeCee Lyles"
en.wikipedia.org...
Her ID effects were displayed at the Zacarias Moussaoui trial by the FBI.
It was in near pristine condition.
www.vaed.uscourts.gov...
Here's her husband talking about the call he received, after she'd left that voicemail message. Watch it 'til the end.
And then again, the talk about the rushing of the cockpit, also referred to by Todd Beamer of "let's roll" fame before leaving the phone connection open, and which remained open, being acted out while these people were most certainly on the ground. Why didn't they spill the beans openly on the calls? They must have been under a series of pressure points and coercion.
This is really the part about it that I find the most disturbing, even though 1000's died when those towers came down to within a few seconds of absolute freefall in nothing but air.
Re: Cee Cee Lyles "it's a frame"
You can find the recording at Wikipedia's "Flight 93" about half way down the page at "Phone call made by CeeCee Lyles"
en.wikipedia.org...
Her ID effects were displayed at the Zacarias Moussaoui trial by the FBI.
It was in near pristine condition.
www.vaed.uscourts.gov...
Here's her husband talking about the call he received, after she'd left that voicemail message. Watch it 'til the end.
And then again, the talk about the rushing of the cockpit, also referred to by Todd Beamer of "let's roll" fame before leaving the phone connection open, and which remained open, being acted out while these people were most certainly on the ground. Why didn't they spill the beans openly on the calls? They must have been under a series of pressure points and coercion.
This is really the part about it that I find the most disturbing, even though 1000's died when those towers came down to within a few seconds of absolute freefall in nothing but air.
edit on 11-9-2017 by AnkhMorpork because: (no reason given)
a reply to: neutronflux
No, do your own research. You all love to get mired down in the planes/demolition aspect huh?
P.S. Your sources suck.
No, do your own research. You all love to get mired down in the planes/demolition aspect huh?
P.S. Your sources suck.
a reply to: AnkhMorpork
What 9/11 has also taught us? The likes of Gage, Jones, and Dr Wood will con as many people as possible to exploit 9/11 for personal gain.
The truth movement was founded on a lie.
The towers did not fall at free fall speed. The floor system fell at 2/3 the rate of free fall. The core fell at 40 percent the rate of free fall.
If there were detonations of CD charges, why was Gage / Jones forced to invent fizzle no flash bombs / the thermite lie to keep the false CD narrative alive?
The towers fell in their own footprints, but caused lateral ejection by fizzle no flash bombs or thermite? Over nine buildings at the WCT were destroyed, or damage beyond the ability to safely repair/make repairs economically feasible.
The towers did not fall through the path of greates resistance. Large lengths of the core columns were left standing for whole seconds after the complete collapse of the floor system.
The were independent WTC 7 studies from the Aegis insurance vs WTC 7 owners where both sides submitted sowrn court documents that fires lead to the failures and collapse of WTC 7.
Hitting the pentagon was not going to erase financial records of money transferred from the treasury to contractors. Hitting the pentagon was not going to wipe out banking records, money transfer records, off site backups, the financial records of individual bases, and the financial records of pentagon contractors.
That isn't even covering the lies the towers were vaporized, dustified, thermite paint, thermite ceiling tiles, holograms, lasers, nukes.........
What 9/11 has also taught us? The likes of Gage, Jones, and Dr Wood will con as many people as possible to exploit 9/11 for personal gain.
The truth movement was founded on a lie.
The towers did not fall at free fall speed. The floor system fell at 2/3 the rate of free fall. The core fell at 40 percent the rate of free fall.
If there were detonations of CD charges, why was Gage / Jones forced to invent fizzle no flash bombs / the thermite lie to keep the false CD narrative alive?
The towers fell in their own footprints, but caused lateral ejection by fizzle no flash bombs or thermite? Over nine buildings at the WCT were destroyed, or damage beyond the ability to safely repair/make repairs economically feasible.
The towers did not fall through the path of greates resistance. Large lengths of the core columns were left standing for whole seconds after the complete collapse of the floor system.
The were independent WTC 7 studies from the Aegis insurance vs WTC 7 owners where both sides submitted sowrn court documents that fires lead to the failures and collapse of WTC 7.
Hitting the pentagon was not going to erase financial records of money transferred from the treasury to contractors. Hitting the pentagon was not going to wipe out banking records, money transfer records, off site backups, the financial records of individual bases, and the financial records of pentagon contractors.
That isn't even covering the lies the towers were vaporized, dustified, thermite paint, thermite ceiling tiles, holograms, lasers, nukes.........
edit on 11-9-2017 by neutronflux because: Added and fixed
originally posted by: SuicideKing33
a reply to: neutronflux
No, do your own research. You all love to get mired down in the planes/demolition aspect huh?
P.S. Your sources suck.
That's ATS and life, where lies and fantasy will buy you fame and notoriety. A choice place at the feast.
Telling the truth gets you personal attacks.....
Care to outline a theory why the towers collapsed, and back it up with reality, science, and evidence. Or just rant and use innuendo.....
edit
on 11-9-2017 by neutronflux because: Added and fixed
a reply to: neutronflux
They didn't really "collapse" at all.
What you believe and are asking people to believe is outside the realm of possible and you want to argue a case based on credulity?
In light of all evidence, the official story is just the very furthest thing from being "self evident" however simplistic and apparently straightforward is the working assumption and hypothesis.
In your heart of hearts, I think you know it, but for some strange reason would rather work to serve as the devil's advocate than to honor the victims and the truth about modern history.
They didn't really "collapse" at all.
What you believe and are asking people to believe is outside the realm of possible and you want to argue a case based on credulity?
In light of all evidence, the official story is just the very furthest thing from being "self evident" however simplistic and apparently straightforward is the working assumption and hypothesis.
In your heart of hearts, I think you know it, but for some strange reason would rather work to serve as the devil's advocate than to honor the victims and the truth about modern history.
edit on 11-9-2017 by AnkhMorpork because: (no reason given)
originally posted by: Black_Fox
1. 9/11/01 Police Radio Transmission: "The Van Exploded"
2.911 - Dancing Israelis
3.9/10/2001: Rumsfeld says $2.3 TRILLION Missing from Pentagon
4.9/11 - firemen , police saying there are bomb's in the buildings
5.Fabled Enemies Extra: WTC Eyewitness Barry Jennings
6.Explosions in the WTC basement before the Plane struck the tower.
7.9/11 Firefighters Reveal Bombs Destroyed WTC lobby
8.9/11 Flight 93 Crash Conspiracy in Under 5 Minutes
9.The Pentagon
Look at all those lampposts still standing in grin of the Pentagon in #9
originally posted by: AnkhMorpork
a reply to: neutronflux
They didn't really "collapse" at all.
What you believe and are asking people to believe is outside the realm of possible and you want to argue a case based on credulity?
Would you care to explain? Or you realize they "didn't collapse" is a delusion to keep AE 9/11 Truth going. Has nothing to do with getting to the truth.
At least I can point to video evidence. Take the clip in this thread.
the-pre-collapse-inward-bowing-of-wtc2
www.metabunk.org...
And say the contraction of cooling and drooping floor trusses initiated inward bowing and then buckling. Notice there was no sparking or flames from thermite. No evidence of molten steel.
Then link to this paper...
Mechanics of Collapse of WTC Towers Clarified by Recent Column Buckling Tests of Korol and Sivakumaran
www.civil.northwestern.edu...
And proof the floor connections failed by overloading, not cut by demolitions...
Failure of Welded Floor Truss Connections from the Exterior Wall during Collapse of the World Trade Center Towers
app.aws.org...
And link to evidence the towers were showing signs of failures that would lead to collapse.
9/11 - The Top of the North Tower Is Leaning - NYPD Warning
m.youtube.com...
edit on 11-9-2017 by neutronflux because: Added and fixed
a reply to: neutronflux
You're just doing what you are supposed to...keep the subject on the towers collapsing...that's why you keep asking people to explain it for you.
Telling the truth gets personal attacks? You mean you are "telling the truth?" By asking people to explain how buildings were demolished??? Wtf?
You're just doing what you are supposed to...keep the subject on the towers collapsing...that's why you keep asking people to explain it for you.
Telling the truth gets personal attacks? You mean you are "telling the truth?" By asking people to explain how buildings were demolished??? Wtf?
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