I'd like to point out a few bits of theosophic wisdom that should be obvious

On the topic. I think the original God, who contained the original Absolute within Himself/Herself basically had to kill himself in order to create the Universe as worthy of God. Sort of like a Magician, who sacrifices his own life for his final trick, so that it be perfect.

So, in order for us to find God again, we have to actively seek him out. 'God is dead.' said Nietzsche and he was right. The perfect Universe did not require a living God. It would be imperfect if it did. So he wrote himself off the equation. And it seems many of us will follow his example and write ourselves off the physical equation, as it is simply not our home.

a reply to: Rhaegar7

Just realize that we're all existentially free. You need to step a bit sideways from the Game to look at it in perspective.

Perspective is important. People tend to get caught inside perspective. Ideology does that, traps people.

But it is not just our own perspective that affects us, other people's perspectives overlap, society, government, theologies.

Being free is a lonely place, and others don't like to see someone wandering about outside the cage. The religeous doorknockers on a Sunday are an example.

I don't doubt the singular almighty god exists, but they would be creations themselves inside their respective houses built by the devout.

Perhaps there will come a time when humanity grows out out the need for a heavenly father figure.


after thought

Maybe a Being might dismantle itself after reaching a point, one can know too much. Certainly, the wieght of eternity would be a burden for all, so a natural thing to do is die, to step back and renew oneself.

Perhaps even gods find a certain self reflective sadness within when they see the children playing, falling over, getting hurt, laughing and having fun.

In Homer, Aries, Pallas Athene and the other gods would come and join in the battle along side their favourites and enjoy the game..

Even the gods of Greece knew the fun of being alive.

a reply to: Whatsthisthen

You're in the perfect position to realize that the world we seem to be participating in is just a screensaver that is placed upon the real world. The real world is one of Mind. Your mind. And it is mind's free play.

You have the power to decide what is true. You always have. You're not a God. God is a fictitious idea, a kind of twist on the basic reality of Mind. You can change the past. You can choose what is real and what isn't. Linear time does not limit you in any way. Time is a servant, not a master.

Why do we need God? A God will only exist as much as we need him to. And.. in the world of Mind, we simply don't need him. God is something that takes your natural power away from you. 'God-given rights.' What a mockery.

Gods do exists only as much as we have created them to exist. They have no power over us, unless we give them this power. Our natural state is that of pure existential freedom.

Look at the screensaver and see it for what it is. It's not reality. It's a screensaver.

Addendum: We need God in the world of manifestation. In order to participate in the 3D game, we need a God or Gods. But keep in mind (funny) that we created them.

I'm having awesome OBEs right now.

The Universe is not infinite. The perfect finite Universe is actually bigger than an infinite one. Paradox. The souls are also not an infinite number.

The number that encodes the Supernatural Universe seems to be 13 billion. (I've done the math, but a lot of OBE involved.)

There is not a single Absolute, but many - a large, but finite number. Imagine if you will that there is a Universe in which a good God is equivalent with the Absolute. Then, this God decides to destroy itself in order for the Universe to reach a new, previously unexplored Absolute. The act of Creation is basically the thrusting of the Universe from its natural Absolute into a previously unknowable one.

Similarly, you can have an Absolute which encodes Satan. Then this Absolute evolves towards a previously unknowable one.

It's a binary number, because either you have a good God or you don't. Either you have Manichaeism or you don't. Etc..

13 is the number of time - that's why the clocks count to 12 and start over - they can't reach Omega time that is in the 13 until the time period is over. You have Absolutes of duality, and Absolutes without duality..

All souls are actually the incarnated Absolutes, and are the same in number.

So, you have a multi-Absolute, because initially the differing Absolutes are closed to each other, being unknowable to each other.

Slowly, the multi-Absolute starts evolving towards a Mega-Absolute. The unification of the primordial ratio.

10 is the number of physicality for some reason. Pythagoras thought it was the perfect number for a reason.

So, you have 13* 1000 * 1000 * 1000, encoding the Tesseract of 3D reality. I've found plenty of confirmation of this theory.

If you have an Absolute in which there is a singular God, and everything else is an extension of him/her, then this soul is primordially a God. Those seem to be few.

There are also some souls that encode infinities of living beings as part of a Nature Spirit, and there are Absolutes which are conflicted by the battle between good and evil. Some Absolutes do not produce offspring, but only individual incarnations who take upon themselves all the suffering in order to contain it.

The Christ is one such Absolute, but the religion that is twisted around him (her?) is mostly a fabrication.

So, the idea is that there is a finite amount of suffering in the Universe, while at the same time the finite number of souls encode an infinity of living beings.

If that theory is correct, then it follows that Earth is a special place in which the battle between Good and Evil has to be resolved and that this battlefield has locked the powers of good and evil until the conflict is finished.

So are there real Gods? Yes. I'm fairly certain Jehovah is one of those. But if we were to look for an ultimate Supreme Being, it would have to be the singular manifestation of all Absolutes, one that does not belong to anyone in particular. 'The One'

Just think of all the possibilities of 13 billion being multiplied to the power of itself.. It encodes an astounding number of Deities, and many more variants of living beings.

And whenever you try to perceive the Universe from the perspective of a singular Absolute, everything is true in relation to that Absolute. There are 13 billion equally valid points of reference. From one such point of reference Satan is the only true God. From another - Jehova is.

They are all equally valid. In the end - you're free to choose your own reality. And because of that metaphysical truth, there seems to be a war in Heaven..

P.S. There is undoubtedly an Absolute in which everything is Mathematics. In fact, this Absolute creates the 'finite' numbers as perfect reflections of the infinite. There are undoubtedly Absolutes of Chaos and Law, of Justice, of Truth.. The primary ones are many.

And here you see why some people would want to worship 'The One Infinite Creator'. He/she comes as close as possible to the idea of a Supreme Being, implementing all the paradoxes into himself/herself. But that OIC is basically Mind.

a reply to: Rhaegar7

Whoah! Rhaegar7, slow down, my head's spinning. I know this is the philosophy and metaphysics forum, but still.

You're in the perfect position to realize that the world we seem to be participating in is just a screensaver that is placed upon the real world. The real world is one of Mind. Your mind. And it is mind's free play.

If you mean me as in the "perfect position", well "thanks, but no thanks".

The mind is a lonely place. I think that is why the mind disects everything; to fill a void . . . . to fill a lonelyness .. . .

I'm having awesome OBEs right now.

Sounds like it.

It also reminds me of the so-called "Atlantians".

They have a thing for universal perfection.

Oddly enough, they have a look about them, like what is portrayed in the Greek busts of the philosopher's.

Scary people.

Perfectionists without so much as a thought out of place. All are men by the way. In their "world" women are regarded as imperfect for man grew out of women (A reference to the basic feminine universe).

That they see the mathematical perfection of numbers would not surprise me one iota.

In all their perfection, the "Atlantians" have a huge flaw.

They are intolerant of imperfection in others.

Like I said scary people . . .


after thought

Trust the "Atlantians" to reduce a wonderous world to mathematics.

To impose mathematics on others is just another example of their intolerance of imperfection.

A world where everything is mathematically perfect . . . . (shudder)

Gotta have growth, becoming, diversity, chance, luck and flaws. It is the flaws, the quirks, that make people interesting.

Like freckles on the bridge of a girl's nose, or bed-hair in the morning . . . .

I'll trade "cute" for "perfection" anyday.


Yeah, hopeless romantic here

a reply to: Whatsthisthen

Everything is mind. The whole world that we currently inhabit is based on preventing you from seeing this basic reality. The whole world is basically ending right now, because the illusion is starting to lose its power over people. That's why the polarities have switched into Endgame, and everything is moving faster and faster, and the controls are used to their absolute maximum.

There is no such thing as 'consciousness', nothing is conscious and nothing is unconscious. Everything is.. Mind. That's the big secret that the whole world is trying to prevent you from realizing.

It's time to wake up.

You're greater than any God, you're greater than the One Infinite Creator. You created them.

You are Mind and everything is Mind's free play.

There is no loneliness in Mind, because there are no boundaries in Mind. Boundaries exist in the false creation that creates the illusion of 'conscious' entities. There are no conscious entities, and there is no consciousness. There is only Mind.

Your mind.

The whole world we currently inhabit is a body of lies. Whatever part you take, it supports the others. You have to reject the whole thing.

Your Mind.. is My Mind.. is.. Mind.

originally posted by: Rhaegar7
But if you ask me.. God is the Supreme Principle of Evil and that is self-evident. It could be no other way.

If you're the only being in the universe, what then is good or evil?

a reply to: AMPTAH

Good question.

Perhaps from the point of view of a Luciferian Absolute, he imagines himself as the only true God. From his point of view, he's the one truly supernatural entity, the one truly omnipotent and perfect. And then he decides to make the Universe and everything in it his own plaything. That's evil.

Take a 'good God' Absolute - a good God finds himself alone in the Universe.. And decides to create the best of all possible worlds and create an unbridled infinity of living beings, looking after each individual soul.

The thing is - the evil God will still have the Universe as his plaything, while the good God will simply be the servant.

There's a verse in the Qu'ran - 'Some like to think that the master is equal to the servant. Of course the master is not equal to the servant. But some fail to understand..' Funny book, the Qu'ran.

The evil God is the master. The good God is the servant. I guess it's your own choice which one you prefer to call God.

I'd like to add that I still support the idea that Lucifer/Satan is the one God. The truth that is kept from all of us is that our Mind is greater than any God and it is the Creator. Still, the Gods do exist, they're not 'figments of our imagination'. They're part of reality. But we created reality.

The Universe needs Lucifer to take the blame for everything. It's part of the design.. He's necessary evil.

All this talk of "god's perfection" brought back a memory of when I was younger.

I was a member of an online research group investigating sacred places, someone brought up an old Knights Templar roundhouse in Europe to investigate.

To me the place tasted of blood. So I had a look by tracing the initiatory path up the building.

Half way up the tower was a War Goddess who challenged me to a fight.

She is not an imposing figure, far from it. Splendid in armour and weaponry, and a look upon her countenance that said she could kill without a second thought. Obviously a well seasoned goddess of war.

Yet she was adorable, like a kitten putting on a fierce "I am gonna kill and eat you face". A mini godess of war.

She must have picked up on that.

She said something about not being able to have a decent fight and stomped off in disgust.

If she chose her size as a tactic of combat; well, she stuffed up big time.

Moral of the anecdote is "adorable" and "cute" can turn the tide of battle; such is their power.

More "battles" followed until she proposed matrimoney. But that was simply a trap.

Girls can be devious in war . . . .

So is mind . . . .



(grin) if I ever cross swords with the Goddess of Cuteness, I'm a gonner. . . .

a reply to: Whatsthisthen

# the Gods and their obsession with degrees of perfection. Everything is Mind!

a reply to: Rhaegar7

Everything is mind. The whole world that we currently inhabit is based on preventing you from seeing this basic reality.

Let's keep those curtains closed on that reality (wink)

The whole world is basically ending right now, because the illusion is starting to lose its power over people. That's why the polarities have switched into Endgame, and everything is moving faster and faster, and the controls are used to their absolute maximum.

Ending? Or simply becoming?

Illusion itself is a language in the "astral". The language of appearance.

a reply to: Rhaegar7

Does it really matter if "everything is mind"?

Useful idea tactically in war, but I have no use for it otherwise.

Bruce Lee (martial artist) used to say; Absorb what is useful.

It does matter. There comes a moment in the life of every living being when it feels the urge to open its eyes. Until then it lives in darkness.

There is only one way forward and that is to wake up. All the world's problems exist solely because we have not woken up. There is one single solution to every problem and that is to wake up.

a reply to: Rhaegar7

Hmmm, so how does one wake all of humanity up at the same time?

One consideration is free will.

Forcing people to wake up is the imposition of will.

Another consideration is wake them up to what?

Does one force one reality on everyone?

People are growing and becoming.

In the final analysis, is not the imposition of one man's will upon others simple tyrany?

Let them go and they may very well grow, diversify and become something wonderous and new.

a reply to: Whatsthisthen

The funny thing is that trying to wake up others is counter-productive. It actually prevents you from waking up yourself. Realize instead that there are no others. 'The others'. Doesn't it seem a bit creepy? It's intentional.

It's enough for you to wake up.

There are different Buddhist schools btw, dealing with this very problem.

The Mahayana vows to achieve enlightenment for the benefit of all living beings. I think this is the truest teaching.

No, you don't impose anything on anyone.

'No one can tell you what the Matrix is. You have to see it for yourself.'

In order to do that - make a full stop. Stop everything that you're doing. Especially doubt.

And don't start again. It takes a little courage.

Addendum: From the Buddhist perspective - good is reality, while evil is unreality.

This is quite to the point I feel. We've been thrust into this world of unreality and we want it to behave like a real world. But.. it's not a real world.. For us to change the world.. we have to first wake up.

It's an individual process. Everyone wakes up on their own, although it is interconnected. One trap is to feel like you have to create a change in the external world. You shouldn't even try. It's just a trap and it's very counter-productive.

www.youtube.com... (Notice that the one 'waking up' the main character is actually a creation of himself.)

LET GO!!!

(www.youtube.com... longer version)

a reply to: Rhaegar7

The funny thing is that trying to wake up others is counter-productive. It actually prevents you from waking up yourself. Realize instead that there are no others. 'The others'. Doesn't it seem a bit creepy? It's intentional.

It's enough for you to wake up.

There are different Buddhist schools btw, dealing with this very problem.

But does this "problem" occur outside Bhuddistic thinking and where Bhuddistic thinking has spread?

The Mahayana vows to achieve enlightenment for the benefit of all living beings.

Enlightenment, and Bhuddism are still a construct within a mind.

"Waking up" - to awaken is to shift realities. From "dream" to "consciousness", from "unaware" to "enlightenment".

Shifting between realities is, well; shifting between realities.

Is bhuddist enlightenment, the same as say; Rosicrucian enlightenment?

I doubt it. They exist in different schools who train people differently. Very differently.

So, In which reality do we wake up within?

To shift realities. . . .

To wake up . . . .

To be born into this world, is that not an awakening? An Enlightenment?

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"Yes" I am digging my heals in here and being stubborn.

But that is not because I disagree with what you say.

It is because I think this living world and the lives within, seen and unseen, are more important then the abstractions of mind.

I am on the side of life.

You're making a distinction between a 'real world' and 'the abstractions of mind'. That's what you've been taught to do since an early age. Train your mind to produce only abstractions and therefore - unreality. By accepting the ideas that are presented to you in their sugar-coated and light-sider form, you've grown used to connecting your mind to unreality and 'the external world' to reality. The battle has always been for control of this basic reality - Mind. They try to convince you that they're after your money or something physical, but the physical is simply a thought-form. And the creator of those thought-forms is your Mind. That's what they've been after and that's what they have. Until you reclaim it.

This devilish invention is just the opposite of the truth. 'The external world' is unreality. The world of Mind is reality.

They've basically switched this basic perception in all of us.

I'm not talking Solipsism. Solipsism is also wrong, because it assumes limitations where there are none.

Just try to accept for a moment the idea that everything is Mind. Throw away all the useless paradigms that you've incorporated. It's a body of lies.

I'm telling you precisely to let go of the abstractions and wake up in the real world - the one of Mind.

a reply to: Rhaegar7

You seem to not have taken into consideration how the all self sustains...

What is your definition of mind? It’s not something clearly defined.


I interpret positively you saying mind as source world

Fine, oh but…

The phenomenal is a bridge to the real

Waking up isn’t as easy as it sounds, we all know.

For most it’s a process of cultivation, for a very few it can be instantaneous:
A slap on the face
A wink from a maiden
A reading of a lofty concept

But for most it’s a long sludge through the valley of the lower soul and indoctrination of the mind