Absolute Proof Jesus Christ is God

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: TerryDon79

Here's the two winners I posted earlier:

"All servants not being Christians, imported into this colony by shipping, shall be slaves for their lives." - Official Act of the Colony of Virginia, 1670.

"Jesus Christ recognized this (i.e. slavery) institution as one that was lawful among men, and regulated its relative duties. ... I affirm then, first (and no man denies) that Jesus Christ has not abolished slavery by a prohibitory command; and second, I affirm, he has introduced no new moral principle which can work its destruction." - Reverend Thomas Stringfellow, A Scriptural View of Slavery.

But according to some, there's nothing condoning slavery in their special book. Even though plenty of old and new testament has been posted AND historical references to religious slave owners saying there is.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

how is it possible for a people who were being persecuted, had to go underground, and those who were caught were fed to lions, taunted and even crucified... How could those people own slaves?...

Have you never read Philemon?

Ostensibly written by "Paul, a prisoner of Christ Jesus" to Philemon "dear friend and fellow worker" (evidently a preacher of Christ) aka a Christian. The letter concerns Onesimus, a slave who had run away from Philemon to serve Paul, and Paul is sending him back to slavery, but hopefully, a nicer brotherly sort of slavery.

originally posted by: TerryDon79
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Can you not read the source? It says

with the addition of a prohibition forbidding translation of the Bible into native languages.

So they had the choice to learn another language.

Do you understand what with the addition of a prohibition forbidding translation of the bible into native languages?... It was an addition to the fact that regular people were not allowed to read the bible for almost 1,000 years... You claimed i made it up, now you are twisting your argument even more to claim it only applied to translations of foreign languages...

originally posted by: TerryDon79
But now you're distracting from your lack of ability to counter your own book about slavery.

Is that what they teach you lot now? If you can't stick up for your book, change the subject?

I guess thinking for yourself is too hard once you're indoctrinated.

Really?... so again, let's see if your logic makes any sense... How in the world would a people keep slaves when those people were persecuted, were mocked like you and some other atheists love to do. Those same people, Christians, were even executed for simply being Christians... yet you want to claim that the passages in the bible are about Christians keeping slaves?... Those passages in the New Testament, and others in the Old Testament were meant for the Christians not to turn against their masters...

originally posted by: pthena

Have you never read Philemon?

Ostensibly written by "Paul, a prisoner of Christ Jesus" to Philemon "dear friend and fellow worker" (evidently a preacher of Christ) aka a Christian. The letter concerns Onesimus, a slave who had run away from Philemon to serve Paul, and Paul is sending him back to slavery, but hopefully, a nicer brotherly sort of slavery.

Paul was in a Roman cell when he wrote that letter... When he says "prisoner in Jesus Christ" what he means is that he was put in prison for preaching the word of Jesus Christ... It doesn't mean he was a prisoner of Jesus...

As for Philemon... Paul states Philemon is like his son, he had become his son while Paul was in chains. Which means Philemon was in the Roman prison with Paul. Paul wants to keep Philemon with him but he wants something better for Philemon, so he asks a friend for a favor to take Philemon. That way Philemon no longer would be in the Roman Prison.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

. Those passages in the New Testament, and others in the Old Testament were meant for the Christians not to turn against their masters

Which would have made them slaves. And made some Christians masters.

I'm glad you finally admit that the bible condones slavery.

originally posted by: TerryDon79


Which would have made them slaves. And made some Christians masters.

I'm glad you finally admit that the bible condones slavery.

Post evidence then that there were Christians back then that had slaves... If anyone is making things up it keeps being people like you who really don't want to admit to being wrong. By now it is only obvious that you are trolling yet once again another tread.

I really have got to wonder about your state of mind to actually propose that because Christians were slaves, and they had to go underground that "some Christians must have had slaves"... Post proof then. Not before they were Christians, but when people converted to Christianity.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

God clearly regulates slavery and therefore condones it. It doesn't matter whether or not christians 1100 or so years ago had slaves or now, but whether their god sanctioned it.

If it didn't then why did it bother to regulate it.

It's also more than slightly absurd to request proof of anything in such a thread other than to prove does this particular deity even exist or not.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

I've already posted parts of the bible that speak about slaves and keeping their masters happy.

You were making some progress, then you fall backwards again.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

New Testament passage.

1 Peter 2:18
Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.


If NT is not Christian what is?

Coomba98

a reply to: GusMcDangerthing

It wasn't a "regulation of slavery". Do you forget why the Jewish people left Egypt?...

Were Hebrews Ever Slaves in Ancient Egypt? Yes

a reply to: TerryDon79

No, you twisted the facts like every atheist always does when it comes to religion.

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: TerryDon79

No, you twisted the facts like every atheist always does when it comes to religion.

I quoted directly from the bible. YOUR book of reference. AND quotes from Christians.

It's not my fault you're angry because you don't know what your own book says.

a reply to: coomba98

Why was it then that God told Moses to leave Egypt with all Jewish people?... The very same people who were slaves in Egypt?

a reply to: TerryDon79

Again you with your claims that I am angry... I am not the one following a member in threads and posts and trolling that member... it is you who seems angry...

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: GusMcDangerthing

It wasn't a "regulation of slavery". Do you forget why the Jewish people left Egypt?...

Were Hebrews Ever Slaves in Ancient Egypt? Yes

You don't seem to have read your bible there buddy. God clearly regulates slavery. Read it again.

a reply to: coomba98

And again...

Exodus 21:16
“Whoever steals a man and sells him, and anyone found in possession of him, shall be put to death.

The above reference/book is from the Old Testament...

Galatians 5:1
For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.

The above reference/book is from the New Testament.

Jeremiah 22:13
“Woe to him who builds his house by unrighteousness, and his upper rooms by injustice, who makes his neighbor serve him for nothing and does not give him his wages,

The above reference/book is from the Old Testament...

Isaiah 58:6
“Is not this the fast that I choose: to loose the bonds of wickedness, to undo the straps of the yoke, to let the oppressed go free, and to break every yoke?

The above reference/book is from the Old Testament...

Like the above there are many other such references.

What God, and Jesus didn't want was for slaves to become violent against their masters. However, God himself after witnessing all the suffering that his people suffered unleashed the ten plagues against Egypt, but God's chosen people were told how to avoid suffering the same fate.

February 27, 2005
God’s Wrath: “Vengeance Is Mine, I Will Repay,” Says the Lord

Resource by John Piper
Scripture: Romans 12:19–21 Topic: The Wrath of God

Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.” To the contrary, “if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by so doing you will heap burning coals on his head.” Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
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www.desiringgod.org...

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: TerryDon79

Again you with your claims that I am angry... I am not the one following a member in threads and posts and trolling that member... it is you who seems angry...

Ah the name calling.

The sure fire way to know the angry Christian has lost the argument.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Oh, what's this? More condoning of slavery in the bible?

Leviticus 25:44-46 (NIV)

44Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.
45You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.
46You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly

originally posted by: TerryDon79

Ah the name calling.

It's not name calling, when it is the truth...

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Exodus 21:16
“Whoever steals a man and sells him, and anyone found in possession of him, shall be put to death.

Same chapter.

Exodus 21:20 “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.

How do you explain that? Looks like slavery regulations to me.