Jose Canseco says Bush knew about the steroid use

Former MLB player Jose Canseco says in his upcoming book that he injected Mark McGwire with steroids and introduced several other sluggers to the drugs. During his time with the Texas Rangers in 1992, Canseco said he introduced Texas teammates Rafael Palmeiro, Ivan Rodriguez and Juan Gonzalez to steroid use. Canseco also said President George W. Bush, the Texas Rangers general managing partner at the time, must have known about the steroid use and simply turned a blind eye.

Did George W. Bush acquire Jose Canseco known to the MLB players as 'The Chemist' to simply juice up his Rangers lineup? With a clear history of corporate corruption, the shoe certainly fits the foot.

Your thoughts please!

I hate to be an ass, but is there a news link for this.

It seems bold by Jose.

You all are really having to dig deep now for new anti-Bush material!

Originally posted by djohnsto77
You all are really having to dig deep now for new anti-Bush material!

I would hardly call it digging, it's simply todays 0-day news!

www.nbc11.com...

Originally posted by syntaxer

Originally posted by djohnsto77
You all are really having to dig deep now for new anti-Bush material!

I would hardly call it digging, it's simply todays 0-day news!

www.nbc11.com...

Thanks for the link.

Why would he say it if it wasnt true? It will get him in tons of trouble making false statments about the Prez.

:shk: Canseco, a moron and a washed up has been who will miss the hall of fame despite his HR totals now has a tell all book where he goes after alot of people/ Why would he say it? Cause it will sell books, and people will jump on anything that is anti-Bush without scrutinzing it to the least (after all printed word has to be true right?), why would he say it?
To Sell More Books!

and the first amendment will cover his butt on it as well.

Originally posted by FredT
why would he say it?
To Sell More Books!

and the first amendment will cover his butt on it as well.

Good point.

I dont know if the first amendment give the right to false statments.

The first amendment says, you can say what ever you want, but you face the music if it is slander or knowingly false.

[edit on 8-2-2005 by SpittinCobra]

He's basically just saying "I think he knew" not that he definitely knew or that he supported his taking of steroids. Also, since Bush is a public figure, libel is much harder pursue.

As far as the steroid issue goes, I happen to believe Canseco. McGwire's transformation from somewhat large to bohemuth in a period of 1 to 2 years was clearly evident to those who watched a lot of baseball back then. I mean these guys were the "Bash Brothers" and had a lot of pressure to live up to. I'm certainly not advocating their steroid use, but I can see why they did it. McGwire's 49 dingers were the most ever by a rookie in the history of baseball. Canseco was the first 40-40 (homers/steals) man ever. That's enough evidence for me. There were others on that team like Rickey Henderson, Dave Henderson, and Carney Lansford who I suspect may have been juicing up as well.

As far as the George Bush thing goes, I'm just not willing to go out on any kind of a limb yet. Do I think it's possible that he knew what was going on, absolutely. Do I think that statement will sell a lot of books, absolutely. George Bush probably didn't really care about his players taking steroids back then. It was kind of a "don't ask, don't tell" kind of thing.

Peace

SC,

As djohnsto77 said if he says "I think he knew" not much can be done about it unless he is stupid enuf to admit he made it up. Public figures can be commented on in this fashion. Notice it is very rare that the National Inquirer is sucsessfully sued?

Originally posted by FredT
SC,
Notice it is very rare that the National Inquirer is sucsessfully sued?

Thats because that is a scathing Indictment, and in the last 5 to 10 years they have be being sued more and more.

And they have lost.



[edit on 8-2-2005 by SpittinCobra]

"he must have known" is a weak argument.

is it bush's responsibility to save them from themselves ? after lyle alzado died, they all knew the juice is bad news. they made a deal with the needle for money and fame. if they all drop dead before they turn 50, its their own darn faults, not W's

Originally posted by FredT..... and people will jump on anything that is anti-Bush without scrutinzing it to the least (after all printed word has to be true right?), why would he say it?

GW Bush has been sheltered by this auto -deflection mechanism for his whole life: gay experimentation in college, preferential & illegal treament in the National Guard, rampant drug use, alcholism, philandering, insider trading and overall corp. corruption. All these things had been documented by sources that were summarily dismissed because it was perceived to have been "motivated" or having an "agenda".

What about the truth? What about people "jumping on any allegation as false" because it's naming Bush? There are MANY MORE of those types of folks getting heard, as is made obvious by our current state of affairs.

Now Fred, you should be honest about the truth at play here:

FACT: In that era, performance enhancing drug use was rampant by every team in every major league & Division I program.

FACT: GM's not only knew, they encouraged it, both passively & overtly.

FACT: Bush's involvement with the Rangers would have had him in review of roster data. Make note that I'm STICKING UP FOR BUSH on this point - knowing your team is improving production via pharma options was the standard then; he's no different than any other person in that role in that era.
Of course he knew.....it was a criteria for keeping guys.

Originally posted by Bout Time
GW Bush has been sheltered by this auto -deflection mechanism for his whole life: gay experimentation in college...

Good post Bout Time! I must say that I know nothing about the alleged gay experimentation in college and wish to know more. Could you possibly elaborate?

Peace

Originally posted by Dr Love
Good post Bout Time! I must say that I know nothing about the alleged gay experimentation in college and wish to know more. Could you possibly elaborate?

Peace

I believe it is in reference to Dubya's college days at Yale, where the well documented skull & bones initiation acts involved homosexual activities/tendencies. At least that is what i know from some previous research.

I personally believe Bush while GM of the Rangers acquired 'the chemist' for the obvious reasons of "acceptable cheating". Does Bush's resume even contain a single shinning star of legit accomplishment/s? Kinda scary we made this man president/representative leader of the free world.

[edit on 8-2-2005 by syntaxer]

Originally posted by syntaxer
I personally believe Bush while GM of the Rangers acquired 'the chemist' for the obvious reasons of "acceptable cheating". Does Bush's resume even contain a single shinning star of legit accomplishment/s? Kinda scary we made this man president/representative leader of the free world.

[edit on 8-2-2005 by syntaxer]

According to him and the rest of the White House staff he was "honorably discharged" from the military.*cough b.s.*

That's something, isn't it??

Peace

Texas Rangers Before Jose Canseco

1991
Ivan Rodriguez - 74 Hits, 3 HR, AVG .264
Rafael Palmeiro - 203 Hits, 26 HR, AVG .322
Juan Gonzalez - 144 Hits, 27 HR, AVG .264

Texas Rangers After Jose Canseco
*August 31, 1992: Traded by the Oakland Athletics to the Texas Rangers*

1992
Ivan Rodriguez - 109 Hits, 8 HR, AVG .260
Rafael Palmeiro - 163 Hits, 22 HR, AVG .268
Juan Gonzalez - 152 Hits, 43 HR, AVG .260

1993
Ivan Rodriguez - 129 Hits, 10 HR, AVG .273
Rafael Palmeiro - 176 Hits, 37 HR, AVG .295
Juan Gonzalez - 166 Hits, 46 HR, AVG .310


Significant improvement in peformance/stats for these three fellows after George W. Bush acquired Jose Canseco. Coincidence? The White House was quick to say no.

msn.foxsports.com...

Ivan was the only one with "significant" improvement...

maybe... just maybe... they played a little harder and better due to having Jose on the team... Jose was a good player and probably would have out played these guys, so maybe it was motivation not drugs..


You people and all this anti Bush crap are getting way out of hand...


what's next... I crashed my car today and it's President Bushs fault because I was worried and thinking about him allowing steroids use while he owned the Rangers...

[edit on 8-2-2005 by elevatedone]

He is saying 'bush may have known', or at least is reported to have said as much in the upcomming book.

I'm happy that Mr. Conseco is able to milk some more money out of his career & use the Bush name to give it an extra kick. Good for him for using the liberal press to help sell his book. I bet he's laughing all the way to the bank.