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The Septemberprogramm was a list of goals for Germany to achieve in the war.
-France should cede some northern territory, such as the iron-ore mines at Briey and a coastal strip running from Dunkirk to Boulogne-sur-Mer, to Belgium or Germany.
-France should pay a war indemnity of 10 billion German Marks, with further payments to cover veterans' funds and to pay off all of Germany's existing national debt. This would prevent French rearmament, make the French economy dependent on Germany, and end trade between France and the British Empire.
-France will partially disarm by demolishing its northern forts.
Belgium should be annexed to Germany or, preferably, become a "vassal state", which should cede eastern parts and possibly Antwerp to Germany and give Germany military and naval bases.
-Luxembourg should become a member state of the German Empire.
Buffer states would be created in territory carved out of the western Russian Empire, such as Poland, which would remain under German sovereignty "for all time".[4]
Germany would create a Mitteleuropa economic association, ostensibly egalitarian but actually dominated by Germany. Members would include the new buffer states.
-The German colonial empire would be expanded. The German possessions in Africa would be enlarged into a contiguous German colony across central Africa (Mittelafrika) at the expense of the French and Belgian colonies. Presumably to leave open future negotiations with Britain, no British colonies were to be taken, but Britain's "intolerable hegemony" in world affairs was to end.
-The Netherlands should be brought into a closer relationship to Germany while avoiding any appearance of coercion.
originally posted by: makemap
If you want to know who wants to conquer the world. You can look at who wants to takeover China. China is the only civilization that doesn't follow western policy.
www.history.com...
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The funny thing is the alliance broke apart and went into WW1- WW2.
originally posted by: InsaneIthorian
a reply to: seasonal
To be honest if the Allies had lost WW1 it probably would have been for the best long term as there world never have been WW2.
And Britain would of come off better losing too.
We would never have bankrupted ourselves fighting WW2 and so we would have had the money to maintain the empire.
With no WW2 and a British empire in place the USA would probably still be sound asleep in semi isolation.
Only people it would have sucked for is France, Belgium and Russia.
But lets be frank how many really care enough about France and Russia except the French and Russians? Not like france was ever grateful to the uk for saving its arse.Only Belgium i would feel sorry for.
originally posted by: growler
a reply to: InsaneIthorian
russia got knocked out of the great war early after the germans paid lenin to go home with karl marx's book.
had germany have won world war one britain would have lost her colonies, other than the much vaunted political tinderbox europe was in it was ultimately just a land grabbing exercise.
britain would likely have lost the royal family which, for me is a good thing, cromwell had the right idea.
Thus, the official, canonized history of the origins of the First World War, so they tell us, is one long, unmitigated lie from start to finish. Even more to the conspiratorial point is the authors’ thesis that – and to paraphrase a later Churchill who figures prominently in this earlier story – never were so many murdered, so needlessly, for the ambitions and profit of so few.
In demolishing the many shibboleths surrounding the origins of the ‘Great War’ (including ‘German responsibility’, ‘British peace efforts‘, ‘Belgian neutrality’ and the ‘inevitability’ of the war), Docherty and Macgregor point the finger at what they argue is the real source of the conflict: a more or less secret cabal of British imperialists whose entire political existence for a decade and a half was dedicated to the fashioning of a European war in aid of destroying the British Empire’s newly emerging commercial, industrial and military competitor, Germany.
In short, far from “sleepwalking into a global tragedy, the unsuspecting world”, Docherty and Macgregor contend, “was ambushed by a secret cabal of warmongers” originating not in Berlin, but “in London”.
originally posted by: verschickter
a reply to: seasonal
Is there any real reason other than the Hitler is crazy reason for WW II?
WW1. Inform yourself about Hitler then you´ll see it.
originally posted by: SprocketUK
Couple of points you are glossing over in the OP.
The German aims weren't the endgame. Given the extra reach and power of the German Reich from these gains, it would have been inevitable for them to pursue further territories which would have brought them into conflict with the British Empire and the US down the road, but at a time when the German war machine would have been in an even better position to prosecute such a war.
Second, you gloss over the annexation of Belgium as though it's some sort of benign occupation.
It wasn't. Belgians were effectively enslaved by the German army, there were forced labour camps and the people were utterly dehumanised by the occupying forces.
Belgian occupation
The allies simply couldn't just up and leave the Belgians to their fate, as much as you may wish to portray the whole German war aim as some sort of benign right of self determination, it wasn't. It was a war of aggression and an occupation of the sort that the second world war German army was also known for, but without the excuse of Nazism for the awful things they did.
originally posted by: growler
a reply to: InsaneIthorian
britain would likely have lost the royal family which, for me is a good thing, cromwell had the right idea.