What is a "Jew"?....

Jews is a just a racist lable, but I belive there is a giant conspiracy against them, things that would make one wonder why?

I asume the first Jews were given some sort of knowledge that those whom oppose this want to destroy thier existance.
(Now I am not a Jew)

But It just doesn't make any sense why through out man history they (the Jews) are destroyed in multitudes.

Perhaps they the original Jews were the true desendents of the true Maker and since day one thier enemy has tried to eliminate the true man.
Maybe they were of other blood (the Jew's 1st enemies) Other world & eliminating the Jews would destroy the true seed.

As time past on to the present a whole lot of stuff has happened to them and diffrent sterio types , whatever.

But within them the original blood still flows for some are children of them the 1st ones and for the rest of us we might just be mixed with a foriegn blood. Maybe retilian, who knows? Just applying my knowledge to this question.


Again I'm no Jew But there is something, a secret about them that someone just doesn't want anyone to know......


Well I end this , I spoke on my thought,not of my belives......


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When were the Jews not the descendents of Abraham and such???

Many people do not realize that although the Jews are part of the same religion, they are also another race o humans. Much like an asian and such. There are secular Jews and Jewish jews, lol that was somewhat ironic.
Some Jews even become christians!
I hope this helps alot,
Dani


P.S. you never needed to look racist just say what they are and/or what they believe. Then it's fine.

Originally posted by MarkLuitzen

A jew is a human who believes in the faith of jewism.
You are born human and not as a Jew , you are raised as
a Jew just as you might grow up with the learning of christianity or
with islam.

Maybe christinans or those who believe in Islam would agree this is a right definition for them. I do not know.

Those who converted to Judaism are of course born as Non-Jews.

But a son or daughter of a jewish mother can't be born as a Non-Jew. That is impossible. Even though he/she gews up without lerning anything about Judaism. He /she IS a born Jew.



Rebekka

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Perhaps no one today can say with any certainty who is a blood line descendant of Avraham, Yitzhak, and Yaacov. Can anyone prove or even disprove that their blood line goes back to Mt. Sinai.?
Halakha (jewish law) says that one born of a jeewish mother or a person converting is a Jew.
But how do we know which women are are of Hebrew decent?
Only YHVH (G-d) knows this.

The lineage has been broken and lost by assimilation throughout the ages.
All one has to do is have the askenazim look at his sephardic brother to realize that perhaps the palestenians are more jewish then they themselves are.

This issue has caused quite division and hatred. I am this, you are that. It is perhaps one of the deepsest collective "pain bodies" (borrowing a term from Eckhart Tolle) to be brought on the world.

Who really cares who is what?
If you live in the spirit of love to your fellow man, are you not living in the spirit of the torah...are you not then realizing that there is no dividing lines? That we are all one?
Avraham married a Jew? Yitzhak married a Jew? Yaacov married a Jew?
"Hey Yaacov, marry a Jew..."

This debate can continue, and will not end with any amount of debate...it will ony end when we are ready to love each other.

Gods peace to all of you

dAlen

Originally posted by Riwka
But a son or daughter of a jewish mother can't be born as a Non-Jew. That is impossible. Even though he/she gews up without lerning anything about Judaism. He /she IS a born Jew.


Rebekka

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I disagree, you arent born anything, you arent a Jew or have any religious faith until you choose it yourself.

Originally posted by dAlen
Can anyone prove or even disprove that their blood line goes back to Mt. Sinai.?

The lineage has been broken and lost by assimilation throughout the ages.
All one has to do is have the askenazim look at his sephardic brother to realize that perhaps the palestenians are more jewish then they themselves are.

Who really cares who is what?
This debate can continue, and will not end with any amount of debate...it will ony end when we are ready to love each other.

Gods peace to all of you

dAlen

if only everyone could think like this, we'd be living in heaven on earth. good stuff.

Originally posted by billybob

Originally posted by dAlen
Can anyone prove or even disprove that their blood line goes back to Mt. Sinai.?

The lineage has been broken and lost by assimilation throughout the ages.
All one has to do is have the askenazim look at his sephardic brother to realize that perhaps the palestenians are more jewish then they themselves are.

Who really cares who is what?
This debate can continue, and will not end with any amount of debate...it will ony end when we are ready to love each other.

Gods peace to all of you

dAlen

if only everyone could think like this, we'd be living in heaven on earth. good stuff.

I have not seen a palastian with red hair and light eyes. They all have dark eyes and dark hair.

Jews have kept their bloodlines in tact.

Originally posted by Thinker
I have not seen a palastian with red hair and light eyes. They all have dark eyes and dark hair.

Jews have kept their bloodlines in tact.

I havent seen the Black Forest, it doesnt mean its not there.

You have the most ironic name on the board too,

ANTISEMITES:

Group A and B: Christians and Muslims

Hindus have no problems with Indian jews, Neither have Budhists ever displayed such Jew-hatred.
Also many jews in South-America but only CHRISTIAN-antisemitism has arisen and NO INCA-descendent has a problem with Jews/Israelites.

Japaneze disciplines dont foster Jew-hatred, neither do any Nature-religions.

Of all the types of Arabs, including Druize, only the Islamic and Christians
display ANTI-SEMITISM.

In ancient times people killed, but not so much out of hatred. Majority of all cultures are gone, and a large deal of those where wiped out by other cultures. It was survival, anyone that wasnt willing to conquer new lands was done for, and i wish people would stop pretending the situation has changed by time so much, NOT ALL humans have some how gained the luxury of not having to go to war to survive, like big fat ass germany and france, who built their great economy on millions of corpses. A lot more than Judaism has caused to die, issue of justified killing aside, in its entire existence.

Christians and Muslims are the source of anti-semitism.
Be Jew-hatred a wound, these two religions hold the knife that keeps it open, even makes it worse.

Dont bring up atheists, all atheists in Muslim/Christian countrys have some absorbed the culture they live in, willing or not. Other religions however would already look with more scrutinization at anything outside their religion, and be less open to other religions cultural influences, even if it was their countrys own culture.

The thing CHRISTIANS & MUSLIMS have in common, is that they both DERIVE FROM the religion of the ISRAELITES.

And while ancestors and any source of old knowledge is greatly respected among most, if not almost all, cultures on the planet, CHRISTIANS and MUSLIMS have always despiced their ancestors.

Leave it to the western archeologists to proclaim humans where primitive and almost automotrons, withouth any common sense.

Leave it to arabian muslims to burn thousands of books, INC the entire Library of Alexandria and even their own heiratage, because no good could come from something that existed either BEFORE islam or OUTSIDE islam.

For the same reason that many Christians have killed and ARE STILL hating black people, and many Muslims ARE STILL killing and hating black people, do they hate Jews.

Black people where seen as inferior but not really hated, just seen as 'lesser humans.' Hatred sprung up when it turned out black people where the first humans. THAN christians became hatefull, because THAN they became ancestors, and as such potentially superior in at least one way. COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE ofcourse, so they had to be made clear how "INFERIOR" they were, by genocide.

The hebrew alphabet is seen as one of the oldest, in fact the entire western alphabet descends from it indirectly from the greek alphabet who descends from the Hebrew one.

Aleph Beth Giemel, Alpha, Beta, Gamma, A B C?

Do they teach THAT IN SCHOOLS?

There is now a small countermovement in christian culture, where it has become "HOT", "IN" to jubelate ancient people, like they were supermen or something. "Atlantis had space -travel", "Ancient Egyptians had Gameconsols", "Mayans knew human biochemistry".

They only thing they have in common is that there DEAD.
DEAD races DEAD cultures, while those that are gone are bejubeled, the ones that live are hated.

Its easy to love the dead cause you can ingore they were human.
You can claim there glory as part of yourself, a bit of personal elongation.
PLUS making up bull# about a poor ancient culture that doesnt deserve you faking their history, makes people feel superior.

There are ancient cutlures alive RIGHT NOW.
African tribes losing their land, Aboriginals being laughed at by Australians (who criticize ISrael for far less?), Indian tribes in America dying out due to lack of respect, where young members want the "flashy american way" instead of archaic things like nature,

and the ones that gave large part of the planet their alpabet, their religion, their myths and legends, (knowledge of) their GOD,
prosecuted?!

I mean DAMN its our Tora that youre bible start with, you never asked permission to copy it, have some freakin respect. ITs our God we never forced you to worship it.

If there are christians that dont believe Israelites were Chosen than those should just start a new religion its how christianity started in the first place.
You can make up that youre the chosen and finally lay of other religions that are older than yours.

Originally posted by Thinker
I have not seen a palastian with red hair and light eyes. They all have dark eyes and dark hair.

Jews have kept their bloodlines in tact.

red hair is not a genetic trait of the original israelites. nice rose-coloured glasses you're wearing, though.....

The variability of the Hebrew race seems to manifest itself not only in the number of unusually gifted men, but in the degree to which the race as a whole appears to adapt itself to new environments.� In order to understand this matter let us try to gain a clear idea of the physical characteristics of the Jews.� It is well recognized that there are two main branches.� The Ashkenazim center chiefly in Poland and spread out to the neighboring parts of Russia, Germany, and Austria, and even to Roumania and the Caucasus.� They form nearly nine tenths of the race.� The other branch is the Shephardim who center in Spain and Portugal, but have spread to other Mediterranean countries as well as to Holland and England.� Among the Ashkenazim blond or red hair, and gray or blue eyes are much more common than among their Mediterranean brothers. Speaking roughly about 20 per cent belong to this type.� The beard of the Ashkenazim is apt to be shorter than that of the Shephardim, the body stouter, and the general aspect less melancholy.� An even more widespread quality is that the heads of the northern Jews, that is, of the Ashkenazim, are broader and have higher cheek-bones than those of the southern Shephardim.� So great is the difference that the Jews of the Caucasus are uncommonly broad-headed, while those of North Africa are markedly long-headed. In addition to the general difference between the two branches of the race, there are still more significant differences between the various parts of the Ashkenazim. A comparison of the Jewish and non-Jewish parts of the population in different sections of Germany, Poland, Austria, Russia, Roumania, and Bulgaria shows that both the stature and the shape of the head vary among the Jews almost exactly as among the Gentiles. On the other hand, the degree of blondness by no means varies in harmony with that of the surrounding non-Jewish population. Thus it appears that the Jewish race is so variable that its different portions present distinct racial characteristics.

www.colorado.edu...


once again, the ashkeNAZIm come up as the majority of the 'modern jew'. i bet you're seeing red now. it's funny how after the obvious fact that interbreeding with other races caused diversity in followers of the jewish faith's genetic makeup from region to region, this guy still calls it a 'race'.

i also like(NOT!) his comparison of blacks and jews.

judaism is a blueprint for a resilient, strong culture. it is NOT a genetic trait. it is the respect for higher learning, and the respect of the wisdom of elders that keeps this FAITH alive(although, i'm sure the myth that you are one of 'god's chosen people', doesn't hurt.)

It should perhaps also be mentioned in passing that, although some of today's Ashkenazi Jews attempt to deny their origins - for obvious reasons - there is no dispute about the truth of the Khazar Jews' origins and history, which, as Michael Rice points out, were well-established by reputable and distinguished scholars long before they became the subject of any controversy:

muslimsonline.com...

follow the bouncing religion.
usury strictly forbidden by moses? wow.
seems like muslims and christians aren't the only hypocrites on the block.

maybe we can ALL claim common lineage as the lost tribe of hypocrites, god's despised people.

I have a different way of defining "who's a Jew" than any that have been described up til now.

A Jew is a person whom YHVH the God of Israel RECOGNIZES and ACKNOWLEDGES as His Own Law-Abiding Son or Daughter.

Just who that is, we can only ask God in our prayers; but we'll never really be certain about anyone who gives the appearance of being righteous.

It appears to me, Judaism suffers from the same sheep/Goats continuum that Christians do--their members include both Good and Evil people.

Otherwise, how would usury exist? How would wars-of-attrition exist?

Neither of these practices is contained in Scriptural admonitions--OT or NT!

So, there are definitely some compromises going on, in the voting booth and in political activities among both Jews and Christians alike.

But the Jews know how to quote chapter and verse of Law, and Christians don't. That's one reason Christians envy and hate Jews, for their sophistication in law and legislation.

leveller, I wonder why you were the first to come up with such a splendid answer!


What is a jew to me?
Another human being, whose beliefs may somewhat differ from mine religiously, making him the same as me - in that we are both capable of making a choice!

And is the red hair gene a 'Celtic gene' � as is widely supposed? (Not really, but it is safe to say that � a few rare exceptions aside - all red heads are MC1R variants that derive from European populations; the prevalence of these alleles is highest in Celtic countries.)

www.wellcome.ac.uk...

populations which are exposed to more ultraviolet radiation adapt BLACK HAIR. semitic races have dark hair. litigate that.

i don't hate jews, or anyone. i love everyone. that's why i do hate misplaced superiority complexes and hateful elitist dogma.

as far as religious debate goes, there may be one religion chosen by God, but I seriously doubt that any one of you that would codemn another, is included as one of His "chosen people"!

I also believe that religion is man-made, and that no matter what you classify yourself as, you will not be "saved" if you dont abide by the laws and principles set forth by God, which are virtually the same in any translation!

billy bob, I guess I dont quite understand the relevance of your last post.

but Happy New Years, just the same!

What happened in this period is that the people formerly known for centuries as the Khazars became known simply as 'Jews' and their true origin was lost. In its place their leaders sold to them - and the rest of the world - a false history. This was the belief that they were the Biblical Jews and the fallacy continues to this day with devastating consequences for peace in the Middle East. The Khazar 'Jews' were confined to ghettos as a result of Papal dictat in the mid-16th century and this, together with the 17th century Cossack (ironically) massacres in the Ukraine, led to another mass exodus into Hungary, Bohemia, Rumania and Germany. There were hardly any Jews in Germany until this time. "Thus the great trek to the West was resumed," says Koestler, "It was to continue through nearly three centuries until the Second World War, and became the principle source of the existing Jewish communities in Europe, the United States, and Israel." So what does all this mean for the official history of the Jewish people? Koestler, who was himself born in Budapest, writes:

[It] would mean that their ancestors came not from the Jordan, but from the Volga, not from Canaan but from the Caucasus, once believed to be the cradle of the Aryan race; and that genetically they are more closely connected to the Hun, Uigur and Magyar tribes than to the seed of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob. Should this turn out to be the case, then the term 'anti-Semitism' would be void of meaning, based on a misapprehension shared by both the killers and their victims. The story of the Khazar Empire, as it slowly emerges from the past, begins to look like the most cruel hoax which history has ever perpetrated.

Benjamin H. Freedman was a one-time Jewish businessman in New York and a long-time 'insider' before speaking out vociferously against Zionism after World War Two. He was personally acquainted with leading American political figures like Bernard Baruch, Woodrow Wilson, Franklin Roosevelt, Joseph Kennedy and John F. Kennedy. Freedman went much further in his assessment of the Khazar revelation:

What are the facts about the Jews? (I call them Jews to you, because they are known as Jews. I don't call them Jews myself. I refer to them as so-called Jews, because I know what they are.) ... There wasn't one of them [the Khazars] who had an ancestor who ever put a toe in the Holy Land. Not only in Old Testament history, but back to the beginning of time. Not one of them! And yet they come to the Christians and ask us to support their armed insurrections in Palestine by saying, 'You want to help repatriate God's Chosen People to their Promised Land, their ancestral home, don't you? It's your Christian duty. We gave you one of our boys as your Lord and Saviour ... It is as ridiculous to call them 'people of the Holy Land,' as it would be to call the 54 million Chinese Moslems 'Arabs' ..."

The former Khazar people are known as the Ashkenazi Jews (plural Ashkenazim) and some writers estimate that perhaps 90% to 95% of those calling themselves 'Jewish' worldwide are ancestors of the Khazars. Others are known as Sephardic Jews and they do have an historical connection to the Middle East, although even then the idea of a 'chosen race' going back to Biblical Israel still doesn't stand up, as we shall see. The Ashkenazim ('Khazars') are actually the minority in Israel itself, but they hold the reins of power and have always done so since the country was created in 1948. The name Ashkenazi is said by some to originate from Ashkenaz, the Hebrew word for Germany. In fact, the Bible refers to the ashkenaz as a people living in the region of Mount Ararat (now Turkey) and Armenia. That would certainly fit the basic location of the Khazars... The Ashkenazi as a people did not speak the Semitic language of Hebrew, which is no surprise at all because they are not Hebrews. They developed their own tongue called Yiddish...[which] did not come from Israel.