Time Travel and the Mandela Effect

a reply to: Whatever08152

I'm not a mathematician, so I can't answer your questions directly. But Math is much more than most people realise. It's our universal language.

Mathematical constants are the closest thing we have to TRUTH in our universe that can be measured and quantified.

I'm learning more about it myself, reading a few books about astrophysics right now. If you want to get a better understanding, I would suggest reading Astrophysics For People In A Hurry - Neil Degrass Tyson or A Universe from Nothing by Laurence Krauss.

The Greatest Story Ever Told - So Far by Laurence is probably also worth reading but I haven't gotten to it yet.

But the point is, until we have some mathematical constants that give us, the 'proof' that we need to make time travel backwards, a good theory, it just isn't if you know what I mean.

~Tenth

Okay, I'm far from being a math genius so I'm not even sure if this question will make sense.

If one has discovered how to fold time onto itself to make it faster to get from point a to point b, or bend time I guess they might call it, wouldn't that also require a mathematical formula to accomplish it? I think I mean like a worm hole.

I would think there is a formula to go backwards, it's not like we don't use negative now. Like two negatives can make a positive etc. just seems like the trick is just knowing the proper formula regardless of which direction you wanted to go. Theoretically I'm at this moment existing in yesterday's tomorrow and tomorrow's yesterday. Seems the only thing that exist for a blink of an eye is the present. Perhaps the "blink" is zero.

originally posted by: tothetenthpower
But the point is, until we have some mathematical constants that give us, the 'proof' that we need to make time travel backwards, a good theory, it just isn't if you know what I mean.

~Tenth

Absolutely. I just dislike when people use the argument that "math can´t fail" and to some point ridicule others that beg to differ if you know what I mean.

It´s a tool we use that works right now ...but for example I did read some books about quantum physics and did you see how many new "symbols" physicists had to create to formulate a brand new theory? And to explain this new symbol or mechanic they had to write like 400 pages to explain what they mean with it? Many people seem to think that we know it all today and that simply isn´t true imo.

a reply to: tothetenthpower

I agree. Imo, math is just one of the best ways we have to interpret the universe. Time can be considered an illusion, it only represents our relation to the cycles of our sun/planets/stars & is used to measure decay & constant change or chaos. I believe the ME is more of a case of parallel universe travel vs. time travel. The knowledge we have as humans is infinitely miniscule compared to the unknown & many things we perceive as facts are only theories & may change.

a reply to: Whatever08152

No I agree with you on that, mathematical principles are truth until another comes around and bumps it.

It's kinda like gravitational waves. They've been supposed for decades but only finally confirmed in the last few years. We just didn't have the instruments for test for it, but the math said it was there.

~Tenth

a reply to: onehuman

S&F

Thoughts on a few things..

- Time Travel:
Intentional changes makes sense with regard to JFK, Mandela, etc - but not with Sally Fields.

- Backwards Time Travel:
A poster said only forwards is possible. The "Double Slit - Latter Observer" Experiment shows time travel backwards may be possible - the weird thing is that it's not "travel" - it's as though the particle has always been that way through out time.

- Time "Issues" As A Cause:
Someone (in a different thread) brought up a guy and his famous theory that time is spiraling into itself ("timewave 0"). At first this didn't make sense, but after some reading I have a better understanding of what they meant. Imagine a 'yellow' time flow and a 'blue' time flow, they're going into a funnel and when they come out the other end they're merged ('green' time flow).

- Companies Change Logos:
The changes we're taking about isn't a "change" - it's been the "new"design the whole time. I still don't understand why more don't see the missing tilde in the Coke logo.

- The Naysayers:
Like it or not, the Mandela Effect is real - it's not 'bad memory'. The more you say that, the more it looks like you're trying to dissuade people with a cause and tired excuses.

Frankly the Mandela Effect conversation has moved far past "bad memory" and deserves more attention and study. Sometimes the simplest answer isn't always correct.

ETA:

11:11 - 1:11
Wanted to add that we (wife and I) see 11:11, 1:11 (and other repeating numbers) all the time now (for last 2 years or so) - very strange.

originally posted by: continuousThunder
you'd have to be doing something pretty weird on your trip to the past if the result was something like a letter in a surname changing or a robot in a film suddenly having a different coloured leg

i disagree, those thing are so small and subtle that the cause of the change would have to be even more subtle. it could be the very act of traveling cause a small atmospheric disturbance (aka a light breeze) and through Chaos theory effects larger changes in the system later on.

originally posted by: Pearj
a reply to: onehuman

S&F

Thoughts on a few things..

- Time Travel:
Intentional changes makes sense with regard to JFK, Mandela, etc - but not with Sally Fields.

- Backwards Time Travel:
A poster said only forwards is possible. The "Double Slit - Latter Observer" Experiment shows time travel backwards may be possible - the weird thing is that it's not "travel" - it's as though the particle has always been that way through out time.

- Time "Issues" As A Cause:
Someone (in a different thread) brought up a guy and his famous theory that time is spiraling into itself ("timewave 0"). At first this didn't make sense, but after some reading I have a better understanding of what they meant. Imagine a 'yellow' time flow and a 'blue' time flow, they're going into a funnel and when they come out the other end they're merged ('green' time flow).

- Companies Change Logos:
The changes we're taking about isn't a "change" - it's been the "new"design the whole time. I still don't understand why more don't see the missing tilde in the Coke logo.

- The Naysayers:
Like it or not, the Mandela Effect is real - it's not 'bad memory'. The more you say that, the more it looks like you're trying to dissuade people with a cause and tired excuses.

Frankly the Mandela Effect conversation has moved far past "bad memory" and deserves more attention and study. Sometimes the simplest answer isn't always correct.

Perhaps in a sense time travel doesn't exist. The reason?

Because the "past" is happening now. Our experience of it is linear but that's an illusion or so the theory goes. Time is a tightrope and we're the ants. The ants in the past are walking on the bottom and the ants of the future are on the top. The present ants are the ones on the side unaware of the others.

This same idea has been used to also illustrate dimensions and other realities.

originally posted by: Pearj
- Backwards Time Travel:
A poster said only forwards is possible. The "Double Slit - Latter Observer" Experiment shows time travel backwards may be possible - the weird thing is that it's not "travel" - it's as though the particle has always been that way through out time.

I am a great "fan" of the double slit experiment ...can you elaborate on that pls? Is this different from the "normal" double slit experiment and the wave function collapse? I am kinda confused here as I don´t see how this this can show the possibility of backwards time travel - or time travel in general.

I am aware of superpositions and that the more you want to pin down something in place the more it will evade you in time and vice versa but I always though that this is only the conclusion out of the reversed equation and probably never really understood it completely - but is that what you ment?

And pls give some irrefutable examples of the mandela effect if you are so sure about it (don´t want to sound hostile or something - this is a very interessting topic)

originally posted by: AkontaDarkpaw

Perhaps in a sense time travel doesn't exist. The reason?

Because the "past" is happening now. Our experience of it is linear but that's an illusion or so the theory goes. Time is a tightrope and we're the ants. The ants in the past are walking on the bottom and the ants of the future are on the top. The present ants are the ones on the side unaware of the others.

This same idea has been used to also illustrate dimensions and other realities.

Because space and time are intertwined - all instances of "a time" do exist simultaneously in space. Our past is happening right now for someone traveling faster than us to that same point in time. (They see our past as 'now' to them.) It's a hard concept to explain, but one that's proven.

a reply to: Pearj
That makes it sound like if one were to go fast enough with the right formula then you should be able to travel backwards yes?

originally posted by: Whatever08152
I am a great "fan" of the double slit experiment ...can you elaborate on that pls? Is this different from the "normal" double slit experiment and the wave function collapse? I am kinda confused here as I don´t see how this this can show the possibility of backwards time travel - or time travel in general.

I am aware of superpositions and that the more you want to pin down something in place the more it will evade you in time and vice versa but I always though that this is only the conclusion out of the reversed equation and probably never really understood it completely - but is that what you ment?

And pls give some irrefutable examples of the mandela effect if you are so sure about it (don´t want to sound hostile or something - this is a very interessting topic)

So if you put the Observer at a point past the double slit when the particle becomes a wave it's as though it's always been a wave. It was a particle - but observing it past the slit indicates it was always a wave (since the beginning of time). This is another hard concept to explain (for me anyway) - but it's proven (and lends credence to the ME).

Thanks for saying that wasn't hostile. I don't have irrefutable proof - no one does. I am so sure about it because it affects things that have been around me for years. Speaking of the power of observation - I'm starting to wonder if folks that are "Effected" generally pay more attention to the things around them - where the "Uneffected" just let the world pass by as is with their own understanding of what reality should be.

a reply to: onehuman

Yes - it's proven - but not "doable" yet.

The faster you go, the further you can reach back in time for a given instance on the "time line". The tricky thing is that it's the same "time line" for both the traveler and the other subject experiencing their time as "now".

There's a Universe documentary that explains it well - I just have to find it.

originally posted by: onehuman
a reply to: Pearj
That makes it sound like if one were to go fast enough with the right formula then you should be able to travel backwards yes?

This is already the case with everyone that moves faster then you for example on the ISS - no special formula needed.

@Pearji
Will you just ignore my questions?

a reply to: onehuman


Here is the documentary about time; past present and future are happening "now".

www.youtube.com... (nova documentary I think)

Watch from about 22:00 to 28:00 - specifically 24:00 to 28:00 explains it very well, and the whole documentary might need to be watched if you don't have an understanding of space-time.

a reply to: Whatever08152

I'm not ignoring you lol - I'm working on your answer. It's in a documentary and I have to find it - which is a pain in the a$$.

When I find it, I'll edit this post, so look here for my response.


...Wait - I already did respond to you - dang lol - it's right above your post! I'm working on finding the documentary that explains the backwards thing.


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HERE!

www.youtube.com... (nova documentary I think)

Note: This whole documentary explains the plausibility of the Mandela Effect (it isn't about the ME).

The whole documentary deals often with the Double Slit experiment, the Uncertainty rule, Entanglement, Many Worlds, etc..

The part about backwards time is between 17:00 to 19:00.

From 20:00 onward explains "slightly different versions of reality"...

Combine the ideas in the documentary (many worlds + entanglement + space-time) - and you've got ME plausibility.

Top scientists believe in the Many Worlds theory! ME IS POSSIBLE.

Seriously this whole documentary is super awesome - I was going to make a thread on it... I still might.

a reply to: Pearj

I will, thank you

a reply to: AkontaDarkpaw

I thought about that... wondered if all the hard copies changed as well... in the case of star wars surely there's original action figures in someone's private collection that can provide proof? Problem is that if the ME is a real phenomenon even the figures will change and there'll be no proof.

Paradox!

I think you might like a Dean Koontz book called Lightning. I just got done reading it. Your last exclamation seems to indicate perhaps you already have

a reply to: Pearj

lol ...how retarded am I? xD

I really didn´t see your answer or I did write something myself in the 7min in between ...MANDELA EFFECT AGAIN :p

I will definitely watch this later, thx for your reply