Beware Parents - Canada's new 'gender identity' law.

a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

They do not "choose". They will know at puberty anyway. Do the children have to understand fully all the dynamics to see that they are either boy or girl?

originally posted by: MALBOSIA
Identifying with the opposite gender is a mental disorder. I am sure science would agree if it was allowed to.

Any child that identifies with the opposite sex is likely suffering from a mental disorder brought on from exposure to unregulated exposure to sexual propaganda.

Well lucky for the rest of the world we do not operate on things that 'you are sure' of. Unregulated sexual propaganda? Hahahaha. That actually made me chuckle. You remind me of the people that believe that if a man masturbates too much he'll start looking at poopoo porn and will become a murdering pedophile.

With a heavy, self-confident prognosis like that..I'd love to see those psychology degrees and credentials you must surely have.

Its EASY for someone who's NEVER had to question their gender to dismiss the notion.

They NEVER gave it any thought, unlike SOME people.

Ignorance is ugly.

Oh look everyone !

An ATS thread that's sourced and based off of nothing but blatant over-dramatized hyperbolic bullsh** opinion that hasn't an ounce of truth to it from the actual Bill 89 itself...

This place really has gone down the toilet.

To say that I'm shaking my head in disgust and disbelief at the advocated uninformed ignorance in this thread by the OP (and his/her echo chamber lemmings) would be an understatement.

a reply to: silo13

I haven't read all the comments, but this is really really scary.

I have a friend whose now-grown daughter firmly told her mother she wanted to be a boy. She insisted that she needed to wear boy clothes, play with boy toys, wear her hair short, and wanted to grow up to be a man.

Her parents ignored it, reasurred her she was a girl, and sure enough...she outgrew it and grew up to be a beautiful woman, married twice, and has two college-age children. Whew!! They dodged this insane bullet of craziness in this day and age.

originally posted by: Thecakeisalie
a reply to: rickymouse

Why is government getting involved in this. Kids do not know anything about gender choice, they should only be able to choose after they are old enough to do it, the human mind does not totally mature till around twenty four years old, at eighteen it is fairly well developed. Kids are too impressionable before that, they could make hasty decisions. They have not developed the ability to reason.

My aunt would rofl after reading that.

Yes kids can be impressionable but sometimes behavior is "locked in" there are some kids who even at a young age feel that they are the wrong gender.

kids do not mature that young that they should be allowed to make changes in gender.

Not quite true because it might be a biological impulse. Does a child choose to be left or right handed? does a child choose to have a peanut allergy? I had a gay friend who knew since he was eleven he wanted to be a woman and was chastised and ostracized by his own family so bad he left home before the age of fifteen (this was a decade before the "craze" people talk about kicked in.)

No matter what gender a child should be they need to be nurtured and if social services believe the parents are not up to scratch then take them away no matter what the circumstances.

If you are born left handed or right handed is different. Are you going to find a doctor who will try to make a south paw into a right hander by surgery or hormone treatment? No, you learn to live with being a southpaw.

I have nothing against people being gay, I do not believe a sex change is necessary though. Check the costs of this and also the lifetime cost of hormone treatments to keep things changed to the new sex. Just think how much fun a person could have with that extra money instead of being stuck paying medical bills with it. It is a high level con to change a person's sex. I mean, if the person can afford it and does not mind that there may be complications effecting their health from hormone replacement with the wrong hormone, I suppose I can't say they can't do it, as long as it does not somehow effect me or my family. The trouble is that it is effecting my family, they cannot see the risk involved in it and actually support their friends doing it. I evaluate risk and have been that way all my life, necessary risk is the only factor I approve of, but also know that allowable risk has to be considered if there is enough benefit.

How can alienating yourself from over half the population of America be considered acceptable. three Quarters of the remaining half say that sex change is ok and should be allowed, but would they actually marry someone with a sex change or go out with them....no. People need to consider the whole picture.

a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

With as little validity as your initial post had...you pulling that "sticks and stones" cry is just as irrelevant. We're not here debating whether or not your feelings are hurt by those who disagree with you. We're here debating claims with attempts to back it up with validity.

Your reply of "Not my loss" makes you seem a lot more bothered than your text can let on. Classic. It's not about pushing a gender identify on a child, it's about being supportive if a child feels within themselves that they are something that the unsupportive masses (including said child's parents) say they are not.

a reply to: queenofswords

If your story is true then luckly she didn't really suffer from gender dysphoria. Your story is the kind of story the bill is for.

a reply to: rickymouse

Funny you should talk about southpaws. People used to force children to write with their right hands if they are left handed. That is the same case here.

It if was down to conditioning why does it happen to people who grow up in conservative unaccepting families?

a reply to: queenofswords

Wanting to be a boy and being a boy are two different things. People with gender dysphoria don't "want" to be the other gender - they ARE the other gender.

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

They do not "choose". They will know at puberty anyway. Do the children have to understand fully all the dynamics to see that they are either boy or girl?

Don't you remember how it was when you were young and going through puberty, I do. It was only forty five years ago, it seems like yesterday though. My mind was a mess, If I got close to a girl my mind went into mush mode. When I got around the guys I agreed to do stupid stuff to fit in. That led to getting hurt quite a few times. That big hormone rush goes away when you get older, if it doesn't then you will waste half your life doped up on your bodies own chemistry.

a reply to: Deaf Alien

I think so, because gender isn't a game you just casually choose. It will effect you for the rest of your life. There is a reason depression is so prevalent among the trans and gay community, and my guess is some may have decided prematurely and spend the rest of their lives still searching for something.

I'm not arguing about the chemical or biological aspect of this, I'm sure some are born this way. But some aren't and are socially pressured or nurtured into it.

It's a pretty gray area and that's why this law is dumb.

a reply to: ReyaPhemhurth

So many people on this thread who don't know what they're talking about.

"It's because you ate too many soy beans and bananas" LMAO

"It's because you watched a dirty movie"

"It's because your parents forced you to"

The ignorance is making me shake my head so much.

a reply to: rickymouse

I was fine. I wasn't messed up.

Gay, straight...male/female. Who CARES?

Just don't FORCE me to be a woman when I'm happy being a MAN.

As long as I get to be ME...who CARES?!

Live & LET live people. Sheesh.

originally posted by: knowledgehunter0986
a reply to: Deaf Alien

I think so, because gender isn't a game you just casually choose. It will effect you for the rest of your life. There is a reason depression is so prevalent among the trans and gay community, and my guess is some may have decided prematurely and spend the rest of their lives still searching for something.

I'm not arguing about the chemical or biological aspect of this, I'm sure some are born this way. But some aren't and are socially pressured or nurtured into it.

It's a pretty gray area and that's why this law is dumb.

This post proves you didn't even read the law. By calling it dumb would lead some to believe you read it in its entirety.

originally posted by: knowledgehunter0986

There is a reason depression is so prevalent among the trans and gay community, and my guess is some may have decided prematurely and spend the rest of their lives still searching for something.

No, it's because everyone treats them like they are mentally ill and defective, and they don't have family support.

a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

I am not aware of anyone pressuring or nurturing the children into it. It's quite the opposite. It takes years with counseling to make sure they actually have gender dysphoria. It's not something that happens over night.
It's so rare that I have no idea why it bothers people. It has no effect on their lives. None at all.