Trumps Middle East trip is a green light on Iran

a reply to: PorteurDeMort

Israel couldn't even handle Hezbollah without getting the West to intervene. And Saudi Arabia can't even handle Yemen right now, and that's with allies helping it. So how are they going to fight Iran? Hezbollah would immediately jump in against Israel while Yemen would continue to divide Saudi Arabia's forces. There are reasons why both of those countries constantly try to get us to fight Iran for them.

It really pisses me off how the Republicans all vilify Iran constantly when their evil best buddies the Saudis are the biggest sponsors of terrorism in the world and also some of the most oppressive and violent.

a reply to: CB328

It's all about money. Our politicians would be buddy-buddy with Iran too if they paid us enough. And if Iran stopped supporting the Palestinians & announced a new oil or natural gas pipeline to Israel, Western politicians would suddenly change their tune even more.

originally posted by: buster2010
a reply to: nwtrucker

Really? Have you completely forgotten Hamas and Hezbollah?

Two groups that are fighting against a hostile invader?

I case you've forgotten...Jews....Judea...Hello? Things have never looked better for Israel.

a reply to: CB328


Iran has Hamas and Hezbollah. Both state sponsored.

The Saudis are not off the hook. They do see Iran as an enemy, rightfully so, and have aligned with the U.S.. Seeing we no longer require their oil but they do need the U.S. to offset a Russia/Syria/Iran coalition, the leverage is now with us. Not the House of Saud.

The meddling has been a two way street. 'Acts' as well. Yes? Likely none of the current heads of state involved.

Trump has held out a hand in friendship and mutual advantage. That 'hand' has already proven to act quickly as a fist. Yes?


None of this is lost to the ME in general. Let it play out. Even peaceful solutions now seem possible....who'd have thought????

originally posted by: roadgravel

“We just got back from the Middle East,” President Trump said to the president of Israel after his flight from Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, to Tel Aviv, the capital of another Middle Eastern country.

Lord!! Hang him.

originally posted by: CB328
It really pisses me off how the Republicans all vilify Iran constantly when their evil best buddies the Saudis are the biggest sponsors of terrorism in the world and also some of the most oppressive and violent.

It really pisses off republicans how Obama and Co. dropped their drawers and grabbed ankles for Iran and their 'deal'. Gave them billions and financed Isis.

Just saying.

a reply to: nwtrucker

Huh? Iran has been fighting ISIS the whole time. Iraq even asked Iran to help them fight ISIS in Iraq. Or have you already forgotten that Wahhabis (like ISIS) have a blood feud with Shiites (like Iran)? Iran even officially calls groups like ISIS "Takfiris" (look up the term) because ISIS loves attacking Shiite mosques & shrines. It's not a coincidence that ISIS, Al Nusra, Al Qaeda and the other Wahhabi groups are fighting against Hezbollah (Shiites), Assad (Shiite subgroup, Alawites), and the Houthi coalition (led by Shiites).

I think you might be mistaking Iran with Turkey. Remember, Turkey's the one who was caught smuggling oil from ISIS. And Turkey's the one who had underground ISIS slave markets in Turkish towns. WTF man?

a reply to: enlightenedservant


Not disagreeing fully, it IS a mess. Do not avoid the arming of Syrian rebels by Obama which were known almost from the start were getting into Isis...sorry Isil hands.

Do not forget it was Obama who prematurely withdrew U.S. troops from Iraq which led to the very beginning of Isis by Iraqi generals.

Do not forget the funneling of chemical weapons from Libya to Syrian rebels which is a proposed reason for allowing Benghazi to occur.

a reply to: DarkPalSFO

Actually Israel and Saudi Arabia have worked together on Iran.

There’s an alliance growing between Saudi Arabia and Israel — and Iran should be worried

There have also been reports of Israeli airforce conducting exercises in the event a strike on Iran is needed. That plan had Israeli officials in Saudi Arabia discussing overflight and use of airbases in Saudi Arabia by Israel if needed.

Iran is more of a threat to Saudi Arabia than what Israel is.

originally posted by: crazyewok
So in 8 years time when the USA un entrenched in another middle east quagmire will Trump be willing to send Baron to the fro t lines to fight for.........erm what is the USA fighting for over there again? Haha

When's Malia heading over?

a reply to: Xcathdra


I saw a report, it escapes, where Israel and the Saudis were 'co-operating' on counter-intelligence matters of mutual interests, as well.

originally posted by: PepeTalk

originally posted by: crazyewok
So in 8 years time when the USA un entrenched in another middle east quagmire will Trump be willing to send Baron to the fro t lines to fight for.........erm what is the USA fighting for over there again? Haha

When's Malia heading over?

For # sake why keep saying this like I am a #ing Obama Supporter!

YES SEND HER OVER! Send a son and daughter of ALL politicans over!

Just because I dont like Trump does not mean I was a Obama fan!

Cant you Americans get that into your binary brains?

a reply to: enlightenedservant


My main point is both 'parties' have screwed up in the ME. Trump, himself, however isn't culpable by any definition for that mess. Getting the leadership of that many ME nations together for a summit and even the possibility of cooperation is unprecedented
and an achievement beyond any recent President.

Trump has offered a 'hand' in potential friendship and has also proven a quick, and unquestioning response militarily.


They are listening.....

a reply to: nwtrucker

Try studying the history of US-Iran. You might learn something useful. Hint: go back more than 5 or 10 years.

a reply to: nwtrucker

That may be your point now, but that's certainly not what you were saying in the post I replied to. Starred anyway because I actually agree with your point here.

The irony would be amazing if Trump was the President that solved the Israel-Palestine situation. As long as the solution was fair towards the Palestinians (from their perspective), I'd probably stop loathing Trump. It wouldn't make up for everything, but it would instantly shut up a lot of my criticisms of him. That's how important it is to me. The Palestine issue is why I voted against Gore in 2000, and I'll never forgive Obama & Susan Rice's blockage of Palestine's vote for UN recognition. But we'll see.

This may cause Iran to escalate their nuke program. How can they not feel threatened. The N Koreans also. Saudis learning our arms technology from Lockheed. Dear god he is the anti christ.

originally posted by: enlightenedservant
a reply to: PorteurDeMort

Israel couldn't even handle Hezbollah without getting the West to intervene.

That is total nonsense. In addition to which if the gloves came off and next time the incursion became a fully fledged war against Hezbollah and Assad things would be diiferent if they went for a win big style.

originally posted by: CB328
It really pisses me off how the Republicans all vilify Iran constantly when their evil best buddies the Saudis are the biggest sponsors of terrorism in the world and also some of the most oppressive and violent.

Do you have any stats to support that?? Everything I've seen has placed Iran as the number one sponsor of terrorists.Al Qaeda wouldn't exist today if they didn't support them In Iraq and Yemen. They even trained Isil fighters in Iraq inside Iran. In Yemen they created a civil war by backing a houthie uprising. Saudi doesn't support terrorism however some of their citizens do. With this new deal Trump worked out the Kingdom will now prosecute Saudis for sending money to terrorists. That's a very big deal on the war

originally posted by: roadgravel
a reply to: nwtrucker

Try studying the history of US-Iran. You might learn something useful. Hint: go back more than 5 or 10 years.

Yes, yes. The Shah, the CIA, the games. Understood. That, IMO, doesn't particularly change the current situation. The dynamics of a cold war mentality and the errors made then don't necessarily apply to the current situation....unless I'm missing something here.

My analogy to that is Trump's understanding that 9/11 and the Saudi participation in that event isn't 'forgotten' merely put aside to address the current mess. Iran needs a similar 'adjustment' in their acts, statements and overall agenda.

IF Iran sees this changing situation as a long term negative for them and 'choose' a different path....even a little bit, I'm betting Trump would IMMEDIATELY respond favorably and he has with amazing swiftness with China's Premier.

The history, the past, shouldn't be forgotten. Nor should it be used as an excuse to not adapt and change based on current events.

Apparently, and hopefully, that's already occurring for the U.S., via Trump and his new message to the ME, overall. The U.S. has made an unprecedented move at an unheard of summit of ME nations.

I take the high road on this and based on the comments by some ME leaders, they seem enamored by the man.

There is hope. There was none not six months ago.