DNA and the wavefunction

This is my first thread besides in introductions, so hopefully this goes well as most other forums don't take my ideas seriously!

I have an idea for how the wavefunction could work in quantum mechanics and the answer lies in DNA.

I've read about DNA projection the hologram that is reality before, but I never took it seriously. The more I thought about it though, the more it made sense. Most ideas about it suggest that it affects us electromagnetically, but I believe it affects us on the quantum level to make the hologram. DNA has been proven to show multiple quantum properties such as being held together through quantum entanglement and that it has chirality so it can polarize electrons. However, I believe is just a 3D representation of something 2D that actually codes for our quantum reality.

Scientists studying the holographic principle are looking for a 2D surface that creates reality. Those studying the idea of the universe being a simulation are looking for some sort of code that creates reality. In my mind the answer seems obvious as DNA. If you flatten DNA to a 2D surface it can still contain all the same information. It is also based on a code or language with the four bases. The problem is though that scientists are looking out in space instead of within ourselves when the hologram/simulation could just be a reflection of us.

Instead of subjective experience being a result of objective experience, I look at it the other way around. I see it as a venn diagram where our subjective experiences overlap to create objectivity.

With this in mind I'll now get to the point of it all because that's all good information, but many people know it. Whether someone else has come up with it yet or not I've thought of a way for quantum wavefunctions and their collapse to work based on our DNA.

We share 99.9% of our DNA. If DNA really does code reality then that would mean we see 99.9% the same thing because our entire perception is based off our DNA. I believe that that 99.9% is what creates the shapes of electron orbitals and such based on the wavefunction. Basically DNA would code reality in a way so that particles which can be anywhere in space are programmed to certain locations. Since we share so much DNA when a human scientist performs an experiment they find that the particles have very similar locations, but between scientists it's not quite the same so the wavefunction is created along with it's collapse. The collapse is just an illusion because our DNA differs by 0.01%. Essentially our experience is subjective based on our DNA, but we just all happen to share so much of the same DNA which creates the objective illusion.

The idea came from Qbism which is a subjective view of quantum mechanics where the collapse is based on degrees of belief. It made me realize that if DNA programs reality and in a sense is subjective then it would be a perfect fit into Qbism.

If degrees of belief really are what collapse the wavefunction, then you might think if you believe something it will come true, but that is wrong. Because of our unconscious we have so many beliefs/desires that we aren't aware of that would conflict with certain conscious beliefs. I like to think of our unconscious beliefs/desires being 99.9% in our unconscious and we are only aware of 0.01% of them. Making us not very conscious and actually having very limited free will. However I don't think it's all negative because I see DNA as just being a way of experiencing reality. If we were once animals we would have had a very different collective objective reality. We used to be very different and now we are all 99.9% the same which I'm not sure is good or bad.

Either way... we are the 99.9%.(I couldn't help myself!).

If this interests you, feel free to spread it around because I'd like some serious scientists to look into this someday and I'm not quite sure if it could actually be the nature of quantum mechanics or not, so critisize as you will! However I'm aware that many people don't consider a conscious observer in quantum mechanics, especially with people using the idea to profit in new age circles. But, I think of everything in the sense of mind where the apparatus performing the measurement is just an extension of ourselves.

a reply to: Blazetheways

DNA is the encoded software, the electro chemical 'traffic' at the synapses is the programming being executed.

The soul is something completely different.

a reply to: Blazetheways

I'm not sure I agree with all of your interpretations but I always like when someone actually uses their brain.

DNA is strange stuff. I heard ancient astronaut theorists speculate there may be extraterrestrial messages encoded in our DNA. The movie the five elements was very interested in that the girls DNA encoded the ability for her to speak several languages.

The read once the interesting thing about DNA encoding everything about how an animal looks is how accurate the assembly is from the bottom up in that we all have arms that are almost identical in length. It's actually quite amazing and mind boggling to think something bottom up can get the measurements right.

RE: "Instead of subjective experience being a result of objective experience, I look at it the other way around."

This one confused me a bit. I wish reality was spontaneously created based on my subjective experiences. Then my Harry Potter spells would actually work in reality!!!

OK, I'll admit it. My head hurts. But I enjoyed the theory.

I am enable to submit my own as I have limited knowledge in this area. But will continue to see this thread grow.

Welcome and nice first thread btw.

a reply to: Blazetheways

Halfway through and see a problem. Uh,.. erm,.. the Others that don't have "double helix" DNA but... triple if you believe that crop circle.

Hey, that might actually work if you take the idea... there!! Spitballing here. The more DNA you have, the more dimensions you can reach. Drunlavo said as much. Which is why they seem like "dimension ships" like Valle said. Ours are "nuts and bolts" cause we have the same DNA. Which is why I think that if you travel to the future there will be UFOs!!

Incomplete drunk talk and have not finished your OP! So sorry if I derailed your thread.

I see the DNA as being the soul, but I see spirit as something else. Soul being the intermediary between body and spirit.


a reply to: dfnj2015


In theory you could do harry potter spells if you could tap into your unconscious and change your DNA. However degrees of beliefs in Qbism I see as a placeholder for something we don't quite understand, so it may not be as simple as unconscious desire or beliefs. However, if this were true, then by altering your own genes physically you could in theory control all of reality.

So even if you can't change your DNA through your unconscious, some day harry potter spells would be possible based on using GMO techniques on ourselves.


And if some people really have extra strands then our view of quantum mechanics wouldn't be altered by them because they most likely aren't performing the experiments

a reply to: Blazetheways

I see the DNA as being the soul, but I see spirit as something else. Soul being the intermediary between body and spirit.

Body, mind, spirit in ascending order

a reply to: Blazetheways

Well, you are using scientific terminology, but your post does not make any sense.

DNA is deoxyribonucleic acid. It is certainly not a projection of anything.

Can you cite the sources for your claims about the DNA and QM?

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Blazetheways

I see the DNA as being the soul, but I see spirit as something else. Soul being the intermediary between body and spirit.

Body, mind, spirit in ascending order

No. That's just the usual dumbed-down classification found in Christianity that knows nothing about the various levels of a human being. There are seven levels:
1. body,
2. ego personality, a temporary construct energized by instincts and DNA that is merely a vehicle for physical incarnation,
3. mind, state of thinking,
4. soul (what the ancient Greeks called "psyche"), the essence of all that acquired by reincarnation,
5. 1st transpersonal level (the Christian Christ; the Hindu Atman, the Buddhist's "Buddha nature"),
6. 2nd transpersonal level (God-realised, but not yet one-with-God),
7. 3rd transpersonal level (the Hindu's Atman, state of Nirvana).

What is commonly referred in the West as "Spirit" (note the uppercase "S"; use of the lowercase is incorrect in this context) is merely a vague label for levels of being that Christians incorrectly assign to life in Heaven (another vague term that covers many different realms of being, many beyond the post-mortem state). The word "Spirit" applies to many sublevels of those beyond level 4. At those ineffable levels, words cease to have a use.

a reply to: moebius

Depends on your view of reality. From my point of view all quantum particles are projections on a probability field where different quanta pixels can share states thru entanglement. Just because the resolution is high do not change that it is a simulation.

You can objective perfect information transfer between 2 minds (let assume it happens in the microtubules) and still you would get objective to subjective information degradation when information is being transferred from subconscious quantum state data to conscious single thread awareness based on how the cells in the brain have organized and the information contained in the cells.

From my point of view the soul is an information matrix connected thru entanglement that can interact with the body and therefor also the consciousness. How efficient the soul and consciousness can interact depend on both the soul and the consciousness.

originally posted by: Blazetheways

...DNA has been proven to show multiple quantum properties such as being held together through quantum entanglement and that it has chirality so it can polarize electrons. However, I believe is just a 3D representation of something 2D that actually codes for our quantum reality....

This whole thread is a joke right? You try to see how many here just read "quantum stuff" and nod and applaud you for being so smart?
The answer you're looking for is h-bond, hydrophobic dipole/dipole interaction. Chirality is nothing more than the structure of it, a right handed double string helix. It sure as hell has nothing to do with polarising electrons.
And I don't even know where to start with the rest of this, let's just say it's possible our 4d (including time that is) reality is a representation of 11 quantum dimensions that might exist not the other way around.
Just a matter of logic the more you "zoom in" the more details you can see.

But I laughed at lot, so thank you for that


Also your 99,9% is as good as debunked too.

a reply to: Blazetheways

Disclaimer: I haven't yet read all of your OP. I just wanted to post a brief reply based on a single aspect of the 'quest of knowledge', which of course we are all bound up in one way or another - if not now, then when? If not us, then who?

So the piece I wanted to comment upon is as follows, from your OP:

I believe [ETA - referring to DNA] is just a 3D representation of something 2D that actually codes for our quantum reality.

Scientists studying the holographic principle are looking for a 2D surface that creates reality.

I would say that I'm fairly well certain of this chain in my reasoning, in reference to your '2D as source of 3D' thoughts. As a strong proponent of the Christian faith; but not a creationist, I will add vehemently - I have worked on tempering my faith with science & metaphysics, as it is the result of mystic experience. First and foremost, my faith springs from deeply synchronous events, which were the unequivocally certain response to the prayer of a desperate man. I only mention these few words in reference to faith to set the scene for the way I have approached this problem.

The problem I refer to is the same as the one you are looking at - but I see the question as arising organically from a serious consideration of the nature of reality - crucially, this endeavour can only be hoped as to be accomplished by the intellectually honest, agnostic mindset. The reason I say this, is that when one begins to look into the quantum, even etheric mysteries from a position of intellectually honest, agnostic incision of thought, one will begin to notice strange things occurring, both in mind & in reality. There is a certain reason why things are the way they are - but I suppose the main issue at hand is the suggestion that a 2D surface 'codes' for the 3D experience we have of the reality we inhabit (some would be adamant that it is 4D, others up to 5D -including myself - and still more up to 13D, or thereabouts).

Having looked into the issue of TOPOLOGY, as an absolute layman, guided competently through the masterworks of a couple of very intelligent & wise authors, the idea is that, as you posit, some other dimensional construct 'codes' this reality. One could say that our 3D/4D/5D reality is certainly a multi-dimensional affair, the very terms we use explicitly make it so. The trouble is visualising the topology. Even if someone can visualise in 5 dimensions, it is unlikely that they can explain what they see there in a way that most people would understand. Generally, even those who can visualise it probably don't know how to reason with it - and those who CAN reason with it, are perhaps even less likely to be capable of properly explaining it to the layman. Those who are interested in the subject will often try to paste one theory to another, in the hope that it will 'take', and make sense in enough measure that someone else can come along & confirm the theory, explaining the bits and pieces which were unaccounted for, essentially people working collaboratively as their very own communal 'god of the gaps'.

With absolute respect, because clearly you have thought deeply about this, I believe your approach is lacking proof of causality in DNA (some sort of recursive, retroactive cause..?) I see that you may be considering reality as incubator for life, and I would share that view. However, claiming that reality codes for DNA is, I believe, a misapplication of the Truth which you intuit.

It is my belief that the Universe, in all of its dimensional constructs - which intersect & transpose the informational content of themselves, translating aspects of the highest truth - is gently prompting us with the beginnings of that truth in a piecemeal form over time, such as we 4D'ers can understand. Even those understandable parts are incomprehensible in any logical sense to 98% of the people occupying this planet at this time.

I hold that an intervention in the natural progression of evolution brought us to the status we now 'enjoy' - the secrets laid bare, but barely anyone to comprehend, because we are simply wired in such manner (deliberately so) that the vast majority of our 'godhood' (intellect) attribution, is squirreled away in the folds of the neo-cortex, inaccessible to any but the prodigy, the savant, the eccentric, & the saint/ascetic - glimpsed in dreams, but no more. Intervention disrupted the natural progression of life on this planet, and thereafter a crisis prompted yet another intervention, cumulatively leading to what legend has called 'the Fall of mankind'. We were never supposed to have 'gods' in the early years of our evolution. The crimes of one set led to entrapment of a second set - at least two interventions, yet three or even more, perhaps an incredible number. I believe in myriad interventions, most of which remain unknown, shaping the path we now walk.

I recently had a dream, in which I found myself on a paradisical beach, a beautiful lagoon with pure white sand, turquoise waves - a very gentle shelf of white sand dipping into the ocean, with this shallow lagoon flanked on both sides by tall rock formations, covered in jungle-like plants, cliffs soaring a hundred feet or more up into the bright blue sky. It was very similar to the sorts of island chains found around Indonesia, Thailand & similar. I was subjected to intense 'realism' - I was enmeshed with the force of Time, ages passed with introspective intermissions. I was killed, I awoke; tortured, reborn many times; loved, and lost. Reality was turned upside down & inside out, myself with it, a psychedelic journey as grandiose as any experiment with '___' - yet more so, and somehow both deeply disturbing, and powerfully meaningful at one & the same time - because the scene retained its deep realism, its proportions: a vector relationship of Truth between the apparent divisions of form - really only one form, a form which includes every single part of ourselves, with a multi-dimensionality which cannot be overlooked if we are searching for clues to the ultimate purpose, thereby satisfying our quest for knowledge.

It has been said that the brain has the capacity to act as a 'reality generator' - after all, what are dreams but realities invented in our head? So it would seem. Even the reality we perceive in our waking hours is constructed within the soft darkness within, projected as a whole upon the substrate surrounding & suffusing us - our very soul is part of it, and yet we are intended to retain our selves, unique & beautiful, when viewed from the proper perspective. "All have fallen short.." We are gone but not forgotten - ever present, yet never ourselves present to be fully seen or known by others. Never truly dying; the death of the body like the shedding of a robe, worn about ourselves, having evolved - and faded with us, since our first dreams in the womb.

Which brings us neatly back to DNA.

I do not pretend to understand the deep mysteries of our DNA, but I do know that there is sufficient mystery that we should tread with reverence, in the halls of the Universe, a castle for the King - all of us courtiers in a system which demands our attention, our persistence, our cooperation, our diligence, our strength. I will read the rest of your thread before commenting specifically on DNA.

The surface can only be a sphere; infinite ocean, islands of wonder.

a reply to: micpsi

There is only one me. It is not this shell, it is not multi tiered, just_one_me.

a reply to: Blazetheways



Consciousness could translate to the physical experience of matter functioning as a wave.

Is time a physical property?

Time is a physical property?

Years ago, a second was a specific fraction of a single orbit of the Earth around the Sun. Now a second is calibrated to the natural resonance of a cesium atom (9,192,631.770 Hz). There are atomic clocks calibrated to this located at The National Institute of Standards and Technology in Boulder, CO and at the Royal Observatory in Greenwich, England. Both are so accurate that in 1,000,000 years, they will be off by less than a second. The clock in the NIST is 5 nano-seconds faster each year than the clock in the Royal Observatory. It is a small, but measurable amount.

We now know that time is the 4th dimension. Subject to mass, velocity, and acceleration (a four dimensional cube is called a tesseract). If twins born at the same time conducted an experiment where one stayed on Earth and the other traveled to Alpha Centauri, the closest star system to our own at a little under 4.5 light years away, and returned at 99.9999% of the speed of light. While the twin on Earth would be 9 years older when his brother returned, the brother who traveled to Alpha Centauri would only be about 2.5 years older.

www.answers.com...

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a reply to: Blazetheways

Very interesting OP.

You've touched on a number of different topics, but I like the idea at the heart of your OP, that our DNA helps to "create" our reality.

I both studied and work with various aspects of QT on a daily basis. I found it especially interesting that you also mentioned one of the more metaphysical aspects of QT - i.e. QBism. I'm not sure that I fully subscribe to that school of thought, but in my opinion, "belief" and things like it, have an absolute effect on the collapsing wave function.

Our biggest problem is that we're trying to observe truth from a reality that is far removed from what actually is. It is simply our perception of what is, based on the tools we have. But we're getting closer to seeing beyond that cloak...

On a final note, I noticed you were able to start a thread with only 7 posts. I'm glad you did, but I thought there was a 20 post minimum before you could start a thread outside of the basic admin forums.

Mods - have the rules changed or been suspended?