Google Redefines The Word ‘Fascism’ To Smear Conservatives, Protect Liberal Rioters

a reply to: daskakik

They also make extreme changes, so that point is lack luster.

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: ChaoticOrder

You quote where the doctrine says that classlessness is impossible. He is knocking socialism and you see him promoting it.

I didn't say he was promoting it, I said it was the "promotion of socialism as the antithesis to fascism". It doesn't matter whether he is a socialist or a fascist, the point is, he is claiming fascism is opposed to socialism, when in practice we see heavily socialist nations taking on all the qualities he gives to fascism. The fact he was actually in favor of fascism just makes his opinion hold even less weight for me.

a reply to: Deaf Alien

The answer is grounded in the definition of Conservative.

The answer is the politically correct 'nothing', but because you see a trend in 'conservative values' doesn't always equate to Republicans.

The disease is on both sides, many Democrats aren't Liberal, and many Republicans aren't actually Conservative. They are just falling in with their lowest common denominator, they're not representatives of the ideologies.

originally posted by: Mordekaiser
They also make extreme changes, so that point is lack luster.

Even if they didn't they can still be extreme in their actions. That was the point.

a reply to: ChaoticOrder

Yep caught that and edited.

He wasn't in favor of fascism he helped define it.

All nations take the quality of power over the individual. That is why I said that they were just stating what governments have always been.

a reply to: daskakik

I dislike the image they 'stick to their guns' and 'will be extreme to keep things the same'.

The reality is false claims 'things are changing too violently' for their power grabs in the first place.

Also when things aren't violent enough, they shake it up so that they can be the same Police that roll in to fix it.

Fact is they're as bad as Democrats, they just have the false demeanor that's easier to look at than Democrats.

True conservatives were nothing like this. I hope people don't mind the phrase 'Classical Conservatism', because it's about to be a thing with the attitude of the ignorance taking over the GOP.

originally posted by: Mordekaiser
I dislike the image they 'stick to their guns' and 'will be extreme to keep things the same'.

I'm not sure what you liking or disliking something has to do with what some people are capable of doing.

originally posted by: ChaoticOrder
a reply to: daskakik

That's a bit of a cop out instead of just pushing for the truth, which is that people are misusing the term.

No, the fact is the English language changes and evolves. Even though I may not like the modern definition of liberal it doesn't mean I'm going to go around using the term in the classical sense, I will say classical liberal if that's what I mean. The topic at hand here is Google trying to redefine the modern meaning of the word.

When people say it's always been right-wing, they're not redefining right-wing.

What is your definition of right-wing?

a reply to: Greven

I didn't say anyone was trying to redefine the meaning of right wing.
Read the last few pages if you want to know how I define the right.

The Fascist manifesto proposes very progressive reforms. Universal suffrage, a minimum wage, participation of labour unions, the seizure of all the possessions of religious congregations, taxes on war and wealth, economic controls for the sake of national interests, the subordination of individualism to the state...it all sounds very progressive to me.

a reply to: TheTory

Exactly my point, I'm glad some one gets it.

a reply to: DJW001

Sure except that Jesus wasnt some white man with a glowing fireball for a heart.

Jesus was middle eastern.

a reply to: TheTory

Except that the subordination of the individual to the state is not an aspect of classical liberalism. Fascism abolished the rule of law and replaced it with authoritarianism. For example, the judiciary was expected to affirm the Leader's orders, not challenge them. If someone mocked the Leader publicly, they could be arrested. The free press was considered an enemy of the State. In practice, rather than theory, what does Fascism more closely resemble?

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: TheTory

Except that the subordination of the individual to the state is not an aspect of classical liberalism. Fascism abolished the rule of law and replaced it with authoritarianism. For example, the judiciary was expected to affirm the Leader's orders, not challenge them. If someone mocked the Leader publicly, they could be arrested. The free press was considered an enemy of the State. In practice, rather than theory, what does Fascism more closely resemble?

That's why I said "progressive". Fascism is undoubtedly illiberal, much like today's progressives.

In practice it sounds like communism. Subordination to the state, political violence, tyranny, censorship... the greatest myth is that communism and fascism are opposites.

a reply to: TheTory

So you agree that prosecuting someone for mocking the Leader and declaring the free press to be "an enemy of the State" are Fascist, rather than Conservative actions?

a reply to: FuggleHop

Jesus was middle eastern.

And, as a bearded radical from the West Bank, would never be allowed into the United States by the Trump administration.

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: FuggleHop

Jesus was middle eastern.

And, as a bearded radical from the West Bank, would never be allowed into the United States by the Trump administration.

I guess Jesus won't be coming back soon?

a reply to: ChaoticOrder

Your point was understood way back. What I was asking about is:

1. Why you insisted that you were using the "classical definition" when in fact you were using the modern and pretty much exclusively US definition and what that means to the claim that google is supposedly redefining the word fascism.

2. Point out that you did that thing where everything gets lumped together when it suits the argument, like people who refuse to acknowledge the difference between socialism/communism/fascism but are quick to point out that "the US is a Constitutional Republic and not a democracy, gosh darn it!!!"

a reply to: DJW001

So you agree that prosecuting someone for mocking the Leader and declaring the free press to be "an enemy of the State" are Fascist, rather than Conservative actions?

Yes I do. But if you're trying desperately to allude to Trump, he said fake news is the enemy of the American people, which it is. Their propaganda has led directly to division and violence. He said nothing about a free press or the state.

What is fascist however is collusion between state parties and media, resistance against elected representatives of democratic elections, mobs of claques threatening dissidents, and behaviors like Obama's treatment of journalists and whistleblowers.

a reply to: TheTory

How convenient.