House Republicans Pass Bill to End Overtime Pay

Do you think its paid time off...

it's bad cause many jobs have a busy season , employers wil pretty much insist that you take the time off, then would just give you that time off when they won't be needing you anyhow....

a reply to: TheRedneck

If I read the section or part 7 correctly, you get to 160 hrs and you get overtime-not more banking.

If you want to take the time you have to request it, and it can be turned down-"such time within a reasonable period after making the request if the use of the compensatory time does not unduly disrupt the operations of the employer.".

Perhaps this is the only thing I can see that will be a problem. But if you work for a company that wants you happy-this seems to be a slice of heaven.

originally posted by: AttitudeProblem
Do you think its paid time off...

it's bad cause many jobs have a busy season , employers wil pretty much insist that you take the time off, then would just give you that time off when they won't be needing you anyhow....

The bill covers the whole "coercion" angle. Employees can simply request their due money instead. It's in the bill, you should give it a read.

I don't know why the title of this thread sounds so negative, I actually think this law is pretty good. I would work for banked hours, actually I have already, I collected a month's pay from one job after I quit from banked overtime. I was salaried, but I got payed overtime over forty hours a week, which I always banked all of it. I left in good standing, I was a customer of the lumber yard before and after taking the job for a year as the yard manager. But I liked doing construction work better than working in a lumber yard, although I did like throwing lumber around all day and working outside and in the warehouses most times.

It was a years vacation from my business. I like to switch work once in a while.

The bill is terrible on all kinds of levels…
One, I’ve been in the work space and know there will be subtle pressure put on people to accept this slave-like work rule—peer pressure will set in.

“The difference, Democrats say, is that if Republicans get their way, companies will get away with not paying overtime by pressuring workers to choose comp time or by only giving excess hours to those staff who’ve done so.”Text


“It forces the employee to give the employer a loan -- unsecured, interest-free -- of the overtime pay, in order to have the hope -- not a guarantee, but the hope -- of having some time off later on,” said Eisenbrey. Either way, he said, employers still get to decide whether to actually grant their workers’ requests for time off.

I’ve been in a non union shop for years working big projects, I know how badly something like this will work.


The GOP touts this garbage as family orientated…what a joke. So sure you spend time with your family BUT HAVE NO MONEY!

www.bloomberg.com...

a reply to: seasonal

Yeah, that's how I read the 160 hour limit too. I don't think that includes normal vacation time, just comp time, but I could be wrong on that.

The reasonable time thing is the same wording that is used with normal vacation time. You can't just get ticked off in the middle of a rush and storm out saying "I'm taking comp time!" You have to give notice, and the company has to honor reasonable requests. IIRC, there's been a few court cases over that wording, and usually the employee wins.

TheRedneck

a reply to: JinMI

You've read the bill...so were is the link to the bill



So what happens when an employer only offers overtime to people HE KNOWS will accept this scam?

Did you think of that?

a reply to: Willtell

I’ve been in a non union shop for years working big projects, I know how badly something like this will work.

HOW ! ! ! ???? ! ! !

5 folks in this thread asking how exactly this is bad and you can't seem to give one reason?

Here is the bill as linked earlier in the thread.
www.congress.gov...

a reply to: JinMI

I have given reasons you just don't accept them

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: rickymouse

It would count just like severance pay or pay for unused vacation time (which is what it is). And it's all the employee's choice... there's actually a paragraph that forbids any kind of coercion from the employer. So if the company decides to try to use it to screw over employees, the employees can just say "nope, I want cash."

TheRedneck

Adding the banked hours to the last paycheck might also bring up the unemployment check rate for some guys in the end before layoff. That could be beneficial. I layed my guys off for about three to four months, so it would be hard to bank that. I also could not afford to pay benefits other than a couple of holidays in the summer I paid them for most times. I wanted them to get a decent wage so they could live decently when they were working. I would have had to cut pay to give health insurance, they all said they would rather get the money. The small business insurances weren't great anyway.

a reply to: Willtell

You can only bank 160 hours that are paid in full at the end of the year. Then it starts all over again.

I can see a workers request for time off being ignored. But after 160 banked hours the overtime becomes the rule.

It is open for abuse. But that is going on right now. If you work for a crap company this will be another weapon.

a reply to: JinMI

If the company makes you carry 160 hours for 12 months by denying your time off requests, it is indeed a interest free loan.

a reply to: JinMI

...one reason?

That's easy. It makes Trump look good.

'Round these parts, we call it "cutting off your nose to spite your face." It's considered a very bad, very stoopid thing to do.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: CB328
Making America suck again by taking away every opportunity and benefit from working people and giving everything to the rich. We tried to warn you, but Americans were too infatuated with testosterone fueled rants and rebellion to listen to anyone who actually understood what they were doing. Hopefully this won't pass the senate, otherwise we'll all be worked to death and given only promises of eventual time off in return. Let's go back to the days when everyone worked 15 hours a day 6 days a week and died penniless by age 60. Doesn't that count as treason?

House Republicans Pass Bill to End Overtime Pay

money.cnn.com...

What BS are you pushing?

The measure, backed by Republicans, would let employers give workers time off instead of time-and-a-half pay the next time they put in extra hours. The vote tally was largely along party lines, with no Democrats voting in favor of the bill. Six Republicans also voted against it.

Are you against the option?

Not surprised Elizabeth Warren can't wrap her head around this either.

Today, @HouseGOP are voting to make it legal for employers to cheat workers out of overtime. It's a disgrace. t.co...
— Elizabeth Warren (@SenWarren) May 2, 2017

This is why CNN can not be trusted.

It's almost as if they are all stupid and can't read to boot!

lol.

Where's Maxine, we need her to weigh in on this too.

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: JinMI

If the company makes you carry 160 hours for 12 months by denying your time off requests, it is indeed a interest free loan.

Indeed. As long as there is no "trade-off" for established vacation days/sick days/personal days etc.

Also it works against a person who wants or needs to make some extra money…

Believe me when they see you rejecting this offer of comp time too many times because you need money and want to be paid in money for your work NOT TIME OFF LATER THAT PERSON WILL BE SHUNNED..
People work overtime TO MAKE MONEY

Not to get time off


they have vacations for that

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: JinMI

...one reason?

That's easy. It makes Trump look good.

'Round these parts, we call it "cutting off your nose to spite your face." It's considered a very bad, very stoopid thing to do.

TheRedneck

I find this bill to actually benefit me and those I work with and everyone I know whom works. For this reason I am very open for flaw finding. I have not been able to and the few detractors have yet to state reasons that aren't immediately refuted by the bill itself.

This identity politic thing needs to find a pasture....

a reply to: burgerbuddy

She approved it!

projects.washingtonpost.com...

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: JinMI

I have given reasons you just don't accept them

Your reasons are stamped out in the bill as I have repeatedly done. Just read the GD thing, then come back and make your case.

a reply to: JinMI

That is another things I didn't think about.

Being in skilled trade I can see getting back from a 2 week vacation and asking to take another 80 banked comp time hours in a month or so. This would go over like a fart in church.

Even when I worked for "good" companies there is a "lazy" aspect to a person who takes time off.

In my opinion this will make the supervisors/managers think a person is lazy or isn't a "team player". And I could see thing lower your raises and promotions.