Ancient stone carvings confirm how comet struck Earth in 10,950BC

originally posted by: 727Sky


Vulture Stone

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A curmudgeonly or cantankerous man; an old person; a mean, greedy person.

a rapacious or predatory person

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Nubian vulture

Nubiles

Ice Age





Ark

Lots of 6's and an really big ship and a flood and an ice age. Saturn is the god of agriculture. Bees pollinate a lot of crops.

Sorry for late answer. I've been ill.

originally posted by: mersaultdies
a reply to: Byrd
Suppose there was an 'advanced' civilisation, in comparison to other human populations around the globe.

...which would have started out as more primitive cultures because you can't collect thousands of people into a small area and demand they build a civilization. And we'd see traces of those pre-civilizations (as we do all over the globe.)

Suppose it did evolve, or was based, in one specific part of the earth but explored the rest of the globe.
Suppose through its explorations it came into contact with many of the less 'advanced' populations.

Encounters like this involve exchanges of technologies and words. This is part of how we've tracked human movement around the world.

Suppose rather than viewing this civilisation as 'Amazing Technological Beings' the reality was more in line with how we've since seen divergent societies progress over time. That is, with non-linear technological advancements linked to cultural beliefs or priorities and environmental pressures or bounties.

A lot of these develop. Australian aborigines represent one such group but they are a culture and not a civilization.

There is no reason why they would have had to develop proton accelerators or jet propulsion to BE advanced in their own way or to have knowledge rivalling ours in some areas. After all, to give only one example of thousands, the Chinese were using mechanical clocks to tell the time when the descendents of the great Greek and Roman empires were still watching the sun in the sky and getting scared when it went away.

And note that there are of course many traces of China's prehistory and development up to being a civilization such as the one you describe.

1. Evidence of visitor 'myths' in diverse places across the world with correlating details that suggest common sources.
2. Evidence of town/city equivalents that would suit the lifestyle (ie. on the coat) of a seafaring society when sea levels were higher.
3. Evidence of technological similarities in two or more ancient societies that suggest common sources of acquisition or development.

All of which are studied in anthropology (myths, languages, culture, technology.) Generally cultures or civilizations only record their own actions and seldom talk about visitors. Unless groups have been in contact with each other long enough to learn each other's languages, you do not have any examples of a foreigner coming into a country and "civilizing little brown brother"/teaching them things. There is no advantage to the older civilization in teaching the younger one to compete with it on technology when the trade is flowing from the younger to the older.

Let's face it, we are learning more and more all the time that those three forms of evidence are being found. Considering the total population of earth at the time we are talking about was miniscule compared to the current day and most of the post-ice age time it would be unlikely that we would be tripping over evidence from over ten thousand years ago.

There's more of it than you probably think there is.

Which brings me nicely back to Gobekli Tepe. Does anyone know what the latest is with any excavations there? Or is it under wrap and cover until WW3 moves away from the middle east to europe and central asia?

The dig team maintains a blog (which you can read here)

The main site (in German) is here

Global heritage fund site is here

originally posted by: mersaultdies

originally posted by: Byrd
But one of the biggest flaws is that they couldn't see the skies over America from Turkey.

Can I point something out and then ask for help with something else?

First, if the cultural group that created Gobekli Tepe was seafaring and not confined to what is now southern Turkey your last point is irrelevent.

There's no evidence of this. Seafaring like that (and the ability to find your way back) is extremely dangerous and difficult. We'd see ports and evidences of ports and inland trade all along the route they would have taken.

In fact, if there had been a near extinction event caused by an earth impact in America, the survivors of the most advanced ancient society on earth would probably seek shelter somewhere else, perhaps even way in land from their usual stomping grounds where it would be more difficult for melting glacial waters or rising sea levels to destroy them. That might also seem a good place to build and bury (keep safe) a megalithic message to future developed peoples.

Turkey wasn't actually affected that strongly by the Ice Age.

There's no evidence of a population collapse in North America. Among the megafauna, things die out but other things that eat the same stuff and live in the same area remain. If there had been a catastrophic "near extinction event" it would look like a bomb wiped out a big part of the map. It would not come in the form of species dying off over hundreds and thousands of years while leaving other species healthy and multiplying.

Even beyond the above two hypotheses there may have been a meteor shower visible in the sky as there earth passed through a dense field. It wouldn't take a contemporary, advanced genius to link that to mass climate effects.

Meteor showers are extremely common here on Earth. We have a number each year; some are fairly dense where you'll see more than one per minute. They don't affect the climate.

Overall, there is no firm reason why the location of Gobekli Tepe should discount it from being linked to an impact in America.

Actually, there is. They're not a global civilization pulling resources successfully from around the world. The only place a meteor strike like that would have been seen is North America (you couldn't even see it from South America.)

Let's compare this to a known meteor strike - Tungaska. The only people who saw the fireball lived in the immediate area (no one anywhere else on the globe saw it.) There were detectable changes...but only if you had seismographs and barometers. In addition, it left a lot of evidence (fallen trees, etc.)

So the only way any person living in the Ice Age could have seen the now-discounted "meteor" would be if it actually passed overhead. The impact would have been felt up to 80 miles away...but not much beyond that.

Second, where you refer to the 'same cultural group' what do you know of them? I have tried to research who definitively created Gobekli Tepe and what other archaeological evidence exists from the same time in the area and found hardly anything! Please can you enlighten me with what you know about them or direct me to somewhere I can expand my knowledge in this area. Many thanks for any help with this.

See the blog links above.

Now, myself, I don't know much of anything about them. It' s not my area of expertise. Wikipedia has some links to the culture group (and those that preceded it (here's Wikipedia link)

When I went to scholar.google.com and put in "pre-pottery neolithic b turkey" (the Gobekli Tepe culture) I got over 3,000 links, including some on academia.edu and many that were available in PDF form.

That should get you started.

meteor strike

Meatier strike...

As in more meat on them bones.

The whales are starved of mortal affection.

Interesting stuff!

I'm thinking when Mars was struck,and a large portion of it hit earth about 12,000 yrs ago hitting by Australia,causing Antartica and other areas to sudden freeze,then about 1000 yrs later a large astroid hit by Mexico,causing another devastation,sure make moreesense then story's been told,would sure answer lot's of questions IMO

originally posted by: Oldtimer2
I'm thinking when Mars was struck,and a large portion of it hit earth about 12,000 yrs ago hitting by Australia,causing Antartica and other areas to sudden freeze,then about 1000 yrs later a large astroid hit by Mexico,causing another devastation,sure make moreesense then story's been told,would sure answer lot's of questions IMO

You might want to first look at the geologic time and the Ice Age (which hit a lot longer ago than 12,000 years.) It's actually pretty interesting (Wikipedia has some nice short articles) and the animals of that era are marvelous.

The meteor strike in Mexico was 65 million years ago... not thousand.

originally posted by: BeefNoMeat
a reply to: 727Sky

Nice find! S&F

Concerning Hancock, he and his colleague, Randall Carlson, were on the Joe Rogan Experience podcast about a year ago discussing their latest findings concerning the possibility of a celestial impacter causing the dramatic climate change marked by the Younger Dryas period. It's a worthwhile listen if this topic is of interest to anyone (just don't let a certain ATS mod read any of your thoughts regarding Hancock; regardless if new archeological evidence supports his and Carlson's claims/assertions...he's moron in their opinion):

Skeptic extraordinaire, Michael Shermer, will be on the Joe Rogan Experience podcast/webcast tomorrow at 1:30pm EDT to discuss Carlson and Hancock's hypothesis concerning the Younger Dryas and their belief a celestial impacter caused dramatic climate change...it looks as if all three (Shermer, Carlson, and Hancock) will be on the JRE to have a battle royale over the validity of the Carlson/Hancock hypothesis. Should be an excellent discussion. Tune in:

Shermer, Carlson, and Hancock on the JRE -- Younger Dryas and Climate Change

a reply to: Byrd

Thanks for all the info. I have some questions.

I have looked through many links. I have also read some 'books' which don't appear to be mentioned very often on ATS these days but can provide useful information. Many of the internet-based and especially so the books may well be out of touch with more recent developments but what I can't find is information about other large-scale, structured megalithic sites such as Gobekli Tepe. The earlier, larger and more impressively-carved megaliths date to the PPNA, not the PPNB.

I wondered if I am missing something regarding why they built it, why they buried it? Hunters and foragers organised on such a scale with that technical competence? It also seems to be located in an outlying place rather than the more hospitable lands of the Levant where most of the groups lived/spent their time?

Regarding meteor showers, you re unfairly twisting my point. I am merely linking the possibility of a massive impact that DID affect climate with a meteor shower witnessed by other populations. I am not at all suggesting that meteor showers generally affect the earth's climate. In this case, I have read that an impact may have hastened the melting of specific glacial ice, changing the climate more gradually than a devastating impact would and affecting fauna over a longer time period than years or decades. Now, you say the YD meteor is 'discounted'. If so, I guess I'll have to change my hypothesis but I'll need to look into it because clearly some people haven't discounted it.

Regarding a possible seafaring civilisation, sea levels were lower than they are today. From everything I've read the most likely place for a lost civilisation to have been based geologically is somewhere on the Sunda plate. This provides large spaces that would have been above sea level at the time and would also have provided fertile delta land. I would expect archaeological finds to be under water in the present day but there are some intriguing things already documented on mainland south east asia that could show activities from displaced successor groups.

You seemed unwilling to consider that technologies may have been passed on from such a society. (I prefer the word society to reflect what I am talking about, though civilisation seems often used by certain people on the topic, so I slip into it). Without going and re-reading all of my books one particular memory I have is of a type of boat that was found in Egypt and (possibly) Peru without there being the possibility of cultural contact. Though, there are so many more examples that I have read about over the years even if many can be dismissed as independent discovery.

Finally, even mainstream linguistic thought is accepting that there were more varied movements of populations than originally suggested by a basic out of africa and onwards theory. Genetic understanding is now backing this up. I don't know exactly where your specialisms focus but the possibility that displaced remnants spread back west (amongst other directions) from south asia is a real one.

Your condescending comment about 'civilising little brown brother' shows that you know nothing about me or my formulated opinions. Perhaps you need to take a leaf out of your own field which is constantly evolving and incorporating new evidence into its overall picture instead of presuming that your own knowledge, and current understanding of human history, won't continue to change.

Bumping this thread...search function is painful and felt this thread would be a good place to drop off some relatively new info concerning the OP:

University of Kansas paper on celestial impact and evidence of wide-spread fires

Concrete Poured on World's Oldest Temple Göbeklitepe

Concerning the migration to the North American continent:

2-year old Smithsonian article suggesting migration up the coast

Texas A&M research (released April 2018) suggests spear points' evidence indicates coastal migration

a reply to: 727Sky

interesting, Ice cores dated at 533-540AD??? bets the 536AD Impacts were responsible for that layer, any idea what depth that layer came from?