Breaking News: British PM Theresa May to make major announcement (Early Elections)

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: CulturalResilience

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: CulturalResilience
a reply to: Soloprotocol
If that doesn't disgust you your standards must be very low indeed.

Two consenting adults having sex disgusts you?

No, anyone at all having sex with Diane Abbot disgusts me.

What about say having sex with say Theresa May or Susan Boyle..or is it just plump african women you fear. ?

pack it in Solo. Some of us are trying to eat dinner.

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: CulturalResilience

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: CulturalResilience
a reply to: Soloprotocol
If that doesn't disgust you your standards must be very low indeed.

Two consenting adults having sex disgusts you?

No, anyone at all having sex with Diane Abbot disgusts me.

What about say having sex with say Theresa May or Susan Boyle..or is it just plump african women you fear. ?

There is no woman on the planet that I fear. Morbidly obese women of any ethnicity disgust me. There is a difference between fright and a gag reflex. Your weak attempt to make me out as a racist does not fly.

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: CulturalResilience

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: CulturalResilience
a reply to: Soloprotocol
If that doesn't disgust you your standards must be very low indeed.

Two consenting adults having sex disgusts you?

No, anyone at all having sex with Diane Abbot disgusts me.

What about say having sex with say Theresa May or Susan Boyle..or is it just plump african women you fear. ?

so not being attracted to black women is racist? Ok I am a racist then!

And Theresa May or Susan Boyle disgust me too

a reply to: crazyewok

Out of interest may I ask which of Corbyn's policies you deem to be too far left?

originally posted by: Scouse100
a reply to: crazyewok

Out of interest may I ask which of Corbyn's policies you deem to be too far left?

I am not a fan of his foreign policy (or what passes for it). His views on border control, dont think his NHS plam will fix the problems (nor do i agree with the torys NHS plans) dont like the idea of ending austerity completely either as we need to spend better, just not cut vital services like education, health and disability.

I also dont like Diane Aboots SJW views that I find racist and condescending.

TrueBrit:

If you are against corporatism, then why would you ever consider voting for anyone other than Corbyns Labour?

Because it is a path with less obstacles. Corbyn's Labour is a cul-de-sac. A piece of political ground that is rank and stagnant with dead Labour policies, substituted with EU ideology that leads the current weeds of Labourites. I do want a type of socialism, but it is a middle-ground socialism, seeking less government nannying, and more individual social responsibility that serves the country as a whole.

I want to see British industry serve British people by the employment of them and by paying them a genuine living wage. I want to see education served by our tax-paying. I want every child to have the same chance to better themselves by receiving the same level of education regardless of their economic background, because innovation and invention is in the mind of everyone. Education is the lynch pin on which our country's future depends. I want to see a comprehensive curricula, not one of liberal or leftist agenda. Let's give our children the tools to think critically and to question everything so that they do not grow up to be sheep. Above all, let's give them the national identity they need so that they will voluntarily take pride in the history and legacy of the whole of Britain to which we all belong.

In all of this, there is an individual social responsibility. The government are mandated to provide both the tools and the resources by which the individual can improve themselves and their circumstances. The lazy will fail, whilst the hard working will succeed and contribute. Those that fail will only be able to blame themselves, but a means and path for them should be available once they understand that only their own endeavour will make them a success, it won't be handed to them on a plate for nothing. Business and industry is also mandated to provide the the tools and the resources as well.

I came from poverty, and I grew up quickly realising that no one was going to give me a free ride. In fact, I experienced the prejudice that the impoverished always seem to receive from those better off, more so from those slightly better off. Only by my own endeavour did I do well, and I expect others to show the self same commitment to their own circumstances. There is nothing any of us can do when people are born into wealth, but it is not a crime.

I have never stolen a damn thing, I have never hurt anyone for my own or anyone else's benefit, because I too, am principled. When I was made redundant after 36 contiguous years of work, I lost my career and I ended up back in poverty, just as austerity hit. Four gruelling years passed before I was able to secure a real bona-fide job that didn't exploit my desperation, and through them all, I maintained my principles, but they didn't feed me or pay the bills. I simply did without and went hungry and in debt. I stuck at it, and now I am working and hoping to raise myself out of those four hard years. I have no time for fecklessness and whinging. We are each responsible for our own circumstance, not the government, they can only provide the tools and the resources.

Right now, the only party that can credibly deliver something close to what I would like to see is the Tory party, all other parties bring nothing but division and contrary policies that stops Britain in its tracks. With Brexit, the British people have no choice at all but to redouble their own efforts to make Brexit work, and so we need the right party who are strong and united to deliver the best Brexit deal they can achieve...hence why I am voting Tory at the election. I am voting for the country, not for just for what I think the country can give to me.

a reply to: elysiumfire

Your post has made me reconsider things, it'll be tight in my area, tight enough I always feel it was worth voting...but actually put my own pen to an X for a Tory candidate?
I feel troubled at the thought.

If you think that putting your cross next to communist corbyn and his ex hypocrite lover Diane abbot is a good idea then you are mental

a reply to: EvanB

Who are you replying to?
The only people who can put an X next to Corbyns name are those voters who live in his constituency.

originally posted by: CulturalResilience

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: CulturalResilience

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: CulturalResilience
a reply to: Soloprotocol
If that doesn't disgust you your standards must be very low indeed.

Two consenting adults having sex disgusts you?

No, anyone at all having sex with Diane Abbot disgusts me.

What about say having sex with say Theresa May or Susan Boyle..or is it just plump african women you fear. ?

There is no woman on the planet that I fear. Morbidly obese women of any ethnicity disgust me. There is a difference between fright and a gag reflex. Your weak attempt to make me out as a racist does not fly.

I never said you were rascist. I hinted that you might be scared of woman of African origin. You and Crazyewok could be suffereing from Afrobia.

a reply to: crazyewok

Yes, that is true.

That must be a shame for those who define themselves as centrist, but to be fair, centrism has been very well represented over the last little while. You know, after all, what centrism gets you, do you not? You get Blair. You get Gordon Brown, with centrism. You get New Labour, or more properly, Tory Lite. They will still screw you over, but it will not feel like it until they are out of power, and look, they are branded New LABOUR, so they cannot possibly be self interested businesspersons, out for themselves and their genocidal tendencies, or the interests of fat cat friends... That is centrism. Its just more Tory nonsense, dressed up in a more reasonable and balanced looking suit.

I have no time for that. Wishy washy, gutless, mindless fence dwelling has had its day, and for the first time in my lifetime, there is a proper left, a real left, unafraid of its description, to get behind and empower, a group by and for the people, not corporate concerns, not private interest groups, lobbies or any other thing, but for THE PEOPLE, the only entity in this nation that matters at all. Complaining about a lack of centrism in this election is the most unjustifiable position you could take. Look at what the centrism of the Liberal Democrats gave us last time? In bed with the Tories. Look at what the centrists in the country permitted afterward! More bloody Tories. The centrists do nothing for this nations politics, bar handing it over to the same old vile, psychopathic, self interested, evil cretins as always. Do you know why? BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT MOTIVATED BY ANY PRINCIPLES AT ALL!

Nick Clegg talked a really great game, once upon a time. He had me fooled, and that is not an easy feat. I thought to myself "Well, here is a man who has all the right lyrics. He wants to be fiscally responsible, AND deal with the crises evolving in our nation. He wants good education for all, no disadvantages for people who simply happen to be less well off, but at the same time wants to build our economy solidly and carefully. What a sensible chap." Then what does he do? Proves that his lack of principle makes him and anyone who thinks like him a liability. Principle creates predictability, predictability creates stability. I know PRECISELY what Corbyn will and will not permit to go on under a government run by him. I know he will not permit corruption, that he will not permit inequality to continue, that he will not permit companies to have more say than citizens, that he will not permit further privatisation of any public service, not to mention seeking to re-nationalise as many services as possible. I know that he will represent the people to the very best of his ability, with not himself, but the citizens as his prime interest.

But you cannot say the same of centrist political figures. Centrists have no ideals, they stand for nothing. The center itself stands for nothing, means nothing. It has no message, it has no motivation, no morality or compassion. No one can say what it will and will not accept. No one can say where the edges of its patience lay, nor what misdeed might draw its ire. It has no form, it has no manifesto. It promises nothing, simply so it can never be shown to have failed. The center needs doing in and throwing on the scrap heap. This is not the decade for it, and the next one does not look to be either.

a reply to: TrueBrit

I find that rather insulting.

Saying that Nick Clegg or tony blair spoke for all in the center is like saying Ken Livingston speaks for all on the left.

What you describe is the poor quality of politicians.


Look I am not a soclists and never will be.
But I morally cant support how far the torys have taken the cuts.


Looks like I wont be voting.

a reply to: elysiumfire

I see.

So, let me get this straight...

You think, that because you have been able to pull yourself from the gutter, that people who fail to do so, fail to do so because they are somehow inferior to you? Do they lack something you have? Less noble perhaps, less principled? What precisely is your point? I do not CARE how hard you THINK you worked, I will PROMISE you there are people out there right now working forty, fifty and a hundred times harder, for less money than you are getting, and getting no where in life. Not because they did not put the effort in, not because they were not smart enough, or fast enough, or any other thing, but purely because they did not have the luck to make it work. You need luck. You cannot rely on hard work, because it DOES not result, in and of itself, in returns. You have to have LUCK to get one from the other, and only a Conservative would think otherwise.

And that is precisely why we need a heavily left wing readjustment in this country. When even those who claim to want better education and equality in services provision, do not understand correctly the yoke about their necks, there MUST be a shift in balance, or else all that will happen is a skewed, broken, twisted econo-fascistc mess. I will not tolerate that, and I am not alone.

a reply to: crazyewok

I did not mean to be insulting, but Tony Blair and Nick Clegg were the DEFINITION of centrism.

They had no ideals. That is precisely what you get, when centrism gets a shot. You get a total absence of commitment to anything, which fails to please anyone at all.

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: crazyewok

I did not mean to be insulting, but Tony Blair and Nick Clegg were the DEFINITION of centrism.

They had no ideals. That is precisely what you get, when centrism gets a shot. You get a total absence of commitment to anything, which fails to please anyone at all.

Nail on head.

To me a good centrist position is to take the best of right wing or left wing policies and apply what actually works regardless of ideallogy.

Instead what happens is compromise positions (that may be worse than either position) are adopted in order to scare or offend the least number of people and stay in power.

Good politicians should be willing to compromise, but they should also be willing to argue their case and persuade people to support them when compromise is not the right answer.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: crazyewok

I did not mean to be insulting, but Tony Blair and Nick Clegg were the DEFINITION of centrism.

They had no ideals. That is precisely what you get, when centrism gets a shot. You get a total absence of commitment to anything, which fails to please anyone at all.

Nail on head.

To me a good centrist position is to take the best of right wing or left wing policies and apply what actually works regardless of ideallogy.

Instead what happens is compromise positions (that may be worse than either position) are adopted in order to scare or offend the least number of people and stay in power.

Good politicians should be willing to compromise, but they should also be willing to argue their case and persuade people to support them when compromise is not the right answer.

That not a problem of centralism. That is the problem of politicians being cowardly little weasel #s.

True Brit:

You think, that because you have been able to pull yourself from the gutter, that people who fail to do so, fail to do so because they are somehow inferior to you?

Yeah, that's right, everybody's failure is down to being inferior to me and the absence of luck. You are a fantasist who's lens on the world is not only narrow, but kaleidoscopic. No wonder you fail to see an ordered world. What part of 'self-endeavour' do you not understand? Luck has got nothing to do with anything, you have to make things happen by your own self-endeavour.

I take back what I stated, the society you want and the one that I would like to see are worlds apart. You come across as an unqualified social justice warrior for the so-called down-trodden. Here's the real view...you don't tear society down to your level, you raise yourself up to society's level.

Anyway, I think I've been quite reasonable with you, but I can see by your own statements that we have no common resonance between us. You have your mindset and I have mine, which I consider to be far more broader than yours. Power to the people, eh Wolfie?

a reply to: elysiumfire

elysiumfire,

If you have never put all the effort you could muster in, applied all your intellect, all your resolve, and failed none the less, then you have had luck. Most people have experienced that point at which no matter how smart they are or hardworking, life conspires to take their efforts and piss on them, to make them mean nothing.

If you do not believe it is possible to work hard and get nothing in return, if you do not believe that it is possible to work smart and still receive no financial reward, then you have had an abundance of luck. People living in the real world however, where things routinely do not work out despite the most absolute resolve, where people drive themselves insane, and actually damage their bodies beyond repair, just to make a PITTANCE, not a fortune, have to face up to the fact that they have no control over whether or not they are successful, that success is NOT a measure of how much effort you put in, but a measure of how lucky you were.

Ya , TB , it is gullible to beleive in Corbyn , Watson , Abbott , talking trendy-pops trash . How is he going to tackle the elites? He was just asked it :" I'll make their big companies publish tax returns" he said . Woo , like that's going to really stick it to them .
He 's on 'avoid /avoid' tactics on Brexit : and hear this : he's going to work with 'our socialist partners in Europe' .
He means the PES , the Party of European Socialists , of which Labour is but _one member .

So WHY , does he not mention them by name , the PES , the so-called opposition party in Europe ? They are not pro-Brexit , not pro-Britain either . They are pro-Europe beleive it or not . And he is, going to work with his 'socialist partners in Europe' , who he won't mention by name . They've got a name - the PES
, but he won't tell it out to people . Keeping them in the dark about how European
Union works .

Camoflage , works to disguise one's position , or even one's physical presence at all . it's employed by many animals including snakes . Whatever he says , don't just buy it like the millenials might . And don't forget he's long been from one of the worst recorded pedo-boroughs in the UK : Islington . We don't want his kind of social services then .

What I worry is there'll be a split , a hanging that could break Brexit . Wanna-be do-gooders might come out in their droves , voting for Mr.Snaky . All the while the Torys have practised Keynsian economics , where they can . Typically a socialist practise , it won't change radically the status quo . But it is and has been an evening approach .
He's got nothing worth voting for imo , at least the tories are more straight up in their approach , and they delivered properly on the major issue of today's world - the sovereignty of the nations . (Unless , xyz , but pick a face value , not Corbyn's though)

a reply to: TrueBrit
I shan't vote labour this time, I do agree with your assessment of JC though. Out of all the leaders he seems to be the one who is most honest, least likely to go against the principles that get people to vote for him.

Trouble is, he has some deal breakers.
Trident for one. I don't want to be without an effective deterrent capability.
It was this same thing that stymied Michael Foot and later, Kinnock. Though seeing how Kinnock turned out, that was probably a good thing.

another is the whole international socialist vibe. JC is very much a part of that and I want someone who can be a bit more selfish on my behalf. JC and his party are far too quick to see the other bloke's point of view and take their side.


To clarify my own position i see Brexit as the single most important thing in generations. Akin to the second world war in importance for our future.
And just as our country got behind Churchill then, despite his awful record in Wales the North of England and Ireland, we have to pick the people who can get it done. And, just like Churchill, kick them into touch when the job is done.